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TriggerHappy86
09-27-2011, 6:08 PM
A friend is giving me 1 of 2 pistols passed down to him from his father who is no longer with us, but my friend isn't a gun person, thus the gifting. Which ever one I don't choose, he will give to his step-dad, but I get first choice.

I don't know much about them, but he sent me a picture and said 1 is a .38 revolver WWI U.S. Service pistol he said and the 2nd is a German .380 pistol with markings in German and had GmBh (sp?) on it. I would like the most valuable, which of course is the .38 revolver, but I just would like some input from more experienced CalGunners.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/9a12c0a7.jpg

What do you guys think? Any help is greatly appreciated and yes I did try looking it up with the minimal details he gave me, but couldn't find anything resembling the picture.

GunDog
09-27-2011, 6:17 PM
The auto looks like a Walter PP and the revolver looks to be a Colt M&P. I'd be happy to have either one. Are they both in good condition?

Norsemen308
09-27-2011, 6:24 PM
grab the revolver, the other I am 99% sure is a p-64 200 buck chuck.

TriggerHappy86
09-27-2011, 6:40 PM
The auto looks like a Walter PP and the revolver looks to be a Colt M&P. I'd be happy to have either one. Are they both in good condition?

From what he says, they are both in good condition. I too will be happy with either one, but as Norsemen308 said the .380 isn't worth as much.

grab the revolver, the other I am 99% sure is a p-64 200 buck chuck.

Thanks for info, I will most likely grab the revolver from him. Unfortunately, his step-dad is eyeing it too =\ I told him to bring both of em' over (he's in LA, Ca.) and we'll go to the gun range. However, his step-dad got a hold of them first and also wanted to take them to the range. We'll see which one I'll end up with...

Thanks CG'ers for the input!

bob7122
09-27-2011, 6:46 PM
the revolver man that is a keeper.

HalfMeltingEyes
09-27-2011, 6:47 PM
Reeevooolver!

Evil Quint
09-27-2011, 7:16 PM
Revolver!!

Bigtwin
09-27-2011, 7:23 PM
Given the price point you are looking at.....I would not complain about either. However my taste would lean toward the revolver.....if at all possible!

Dark Mod
09-27-2011, 7:25 PM
Revolver!!! that thing is sweet!!!!

jimmykan
09-27-2011, 7:30 PM
That revolver is a Colt E frame. It may be an Army Special or an Official Police.

secret.asian.man
09-27-2011, 7:31 PM
now that's a great friend!

since your friend isn't a gun person, leave him with the one that you think he will get tired of, eventually he might give you the other one as well. ahaha just kidding.

take something that you don't already have. if you don't have a gun play E-KNEE-ME-KNEE-MY-KNEE-MOE!

RealBarber
09-27-2011, 7:39 PM
get that Colt if you can

vonderplatz
09-27-2011, 7:43 PM
Get the Colt, and I need better friends :)

biloutkast
09-27-2011, 7:45 PM
Colt!!!!

LovingTheYear1911
09-27-2011, 7:46 PM
Man I got the wrong friends.

Revolver for sure!

PRCABR4Christ
09-27-2011, 8:13 PM
I'd go for the wheel gun :D

vintagearms
09-27-2011, 8:16 PM
Im not a revolver fan and even I would choose the revolver.

Jasonaspears
09-27-2011, 8:33 PM
Revolver for sure!

osxgp
09-27-2011, 8:39 PM
Revolver. There are people who want a German Walther, but that market is most likely small compared to the revolver.

Spirit 1
09-27-2011, 8:42 PM
Others with LOTS more knowledge on the particular gun would know much better, but weren't there quite a few cheaper knock-off copies of the Colt done in some foreign countries? I'm thinking Brazil or south American countries for some reason. I have limited knowledge there, just something that sorta rang a bell.

Seems like that semi might be a possible carry piece under some circumstances? Neither one is a major powerhouse but nice guns to have for sure.

zinfull
09-27-2011, 8:46 PM
I would like to see the pp. If the gun is a WWII pp .380 then it would be the best pick at about $1000+. It looks like a bottom release but can not tell much else.

jerry

TriggerHappy86
09-27-2011, 9:10 PM
Actually, my friend said the revolver reads Smith and Wesson, so it is not a Colt.

dfletcher
09-27-2011, 9:11 PM
I'm wondering if the revolver is truely a Colt. Sort of looks like the 1892, but that hammer looks "S & W'sh" and out of place. On a Colt the hammer should be in the white too. It could just be rusty though - I'd guess 1892 Colt.

I don't believe it's a Smith - wrong ejector style, wrong cylinder thumb latch, wrong cylinder retainer on the side plate, wrong notches on the cylinder.

Colt 1892 or a Belgian copy of something.

darkest2000
09-27-2011, 9:17 PM
I can't tell for sure but the pistol doesn't look like a German PP. If it is though and is in good condition, that'd be my pick.

CK_32
09-27-2011, 9:20 PM
That revolver is B/A!

Your a lucky man to have a buddy like that!

ojisan
09-27-2011, 9:22 PM
This thread is worthless without better pics!

nick
09-27-2011, 9:34 PM
grab the revolver, the other I am 99% sure is a p-64 200 buck chuck.

That's a Walther PP :p

And if it's in .380 and not the usual .32, it's quite a catch. Soooo... do you happen to own any of those "P-64s"? I'll buy them from you for $200, that's $50 more than they go for now :p

dr_communist
09-27-2011, 9:46 PM
If the revolver is 38 s&w, not 38 special, the ammo is kinda pricey unless you reload. I would personally go for the Walther. Im just not a revolver fan.

TriggerHappy86
09-27-2011, 9:53 PM
I'll try to get him to bring them next time (Correction: Friday) when he comes down and take some pics in detail and perhaps to the range to ensure they are functioning. Sorry for the lack of details guys, it's all I was given for a month now and none of my research was worth a damn since I couldn't figure out. It is driving me crazy not knowing too.

All of your responses are appreciated.

Norsemen308
09-27-2011, 10:49 PM
That's a Walther PP :p

And if it's in .380 and not the usual .32, it's quite a catch. Soooo... do you happen to own any of those "P-64s"? I'll buy them from you for $200, that's $50 more than they go for now :p

i do happen to have one, its not for sale, but i picked it out of the classifieds 3 months ago for 200 bucks....

it may very well be a pp/after all the pa 64's where just clones, this is what mine looks like

TriggerHappy86
09-27-2011, 11:06 PM
It looks remarkably the same as in your pic, yet he said the writing is on the right side which yours doesn't have any writing. We will see Friday.

nick
09-27-2011, 11:08 PM
i do happen to have one, its not for sale, but i picked it out of the classifieds 3 months ago for 200 bucks....

it may very well be a pp/after all the pa 64's where just clones, this is what mine looks like

You can keep that one, I don't need another P-64 :)

wu_dot_com
09-28-2011, 8:47 AM
keep in mind that you cannot shoot a .38 special in colt 1892.

the colt 1892 uses .38 long colt, which the pressure is much lower than the .38 special. there are only a few places that still sells .38 long colt and each round cost about .50 cents.

the reseal value for that gun is not good either. since the gun is not in high demand by collectors.

nice piece of history to own though.

TriggerHappy86
09-28-2011, 9:06 AM
Yea, but it is a S&W, I think a Military Model 10. They came out with their .38 Special in the early 1900's. But I'm having difficulty finding a similar picture without a protected ejector rod.

dfletcher
09-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Yea, but it is a S&W, I think a Military Model 10. They came out with their .38 Special in the early 1900's. But I'm having difficulty finding a similar picture without a protected ejector rod.

The revolver pictured is not a Smith & Wesson. I wouldn't bet my life on it being a Colt 1892, but I would that it's not a Smith & Wesson.

Gryff
09-28-2011, 10:42 AM
Revolver

03fatboy
09-28-2011, 11:02 AM
The revolver is a S&W, IMHO. Looks like it has the correct early humpback hammer and smooth grips and lanyard, but agree the cylinder flutes and cylinder latch looks odd. Maybe a better picture is in order?

No question, take the revolver!!!

wu_dot_com
09-28-2011, 12:11 PM
the revolver cannot be a S&W.

a colt new army/ navy model 1982 variant fits the features of the gun. the time period and the caliber also fit the descriptions of the gun.

PS, i own an early two digit serial number colt 1982 army. which is why i am cretin that this gun is an variant of the 1892.

03fatboy
09-28-2011, 12:23 PM
Okay Triggerhappy, we need your help in determining what revolver this is. How about some better pictures? Can you have your buddy examine the revolver and let us know what and where the markings are, etc.... ;)

I google'd wu dot's colt's model and I'm thinking colt as well. I just noticed the op mentioned his buddy says S&W, hummmmm......

wu_dot_com
09-28-2011, 12:36 PM
Okay Triggerhappy, we need your help in determining what revolver this is. How about some better pictures? Can you have your buddy examine the revolver and let us know what and where the markings are, etc.... ;)

I google'd wu dot's colt's model and I'm thinking colt as well. I just noticed the op mentioned his buddy says S&W, hummmmm......

i agreed. if the pistol is in good shape, have OP's friend take a picture on the bottom of the grip. that is where the name and SN will be stamped.

if not, take a picture of the left side (swing out side), bottom side and top side of the barrel. there should be some rolled mark on it.

also. look for R.A.C stamp on the frame, the cylinder, the underside of the barrel, the bottom of the grip. this will tell you if the gun was indeed once US military properties.

Sturnovik
09-28-2011, 12:55 PM
A friend is giving me 1 of 2 pistols passed down to him from his father who is no longer with us, but my friend isn't a gun person, thus the gifting. Which ever one I don't choose, he will give to his step-dad, but I get first choice.

I don't know much about them, but he sent me a picture and said 1 is a .38 revolver WWI U.S. Service pistol he said and the 2nd is a German .380 pistol with markings in German and had GmBh (sp?) on it. I would like the most valuable, which of course is the .38 revolver, but I just would like some input from more experienced CalGunners.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/9a12c0a7.jpg

What do you guys think? Any help is greatly appreciated and yes I did try looking it up with the minimal details he gave me, but couldn't find anything resembling the picture.


Both are pretty neat. And if there both in good condition all the better. But .38 is easier to find than .380 and even if its a safe queen, its nice to have ammo for it, its a sweet find, I'd get the colt revolver.

Mr. Beretta
09-28-2011, 12:56 PM
Don't hesitate, get the 38!


I bustin' some rhymes. y'all....

TriggerHappy86
09-28-2011, 1:01 PM
Yea, I agree with all of you in regards for better pictures and additional information. However, upon asking him last night for 2 to 4 photos, he sounded bothered and said he'd just bring them on Friday. So perhaps I caught him on a bad day and don't want to push my luck or his patience by buggin.

Just hang in there with me guys, put your pitch forks away ;) I'll take plenty of pictures after work on Friday when I see him and the pistols. But for now, I too agree after seeing a picture of the Colt M1892.

kwansao
09-28-2011, 1:09 PM
take the U.S. Revolver.

wu_dot_com
09-28-2011, 2:48 PM
Triggerhappy.

if you want a shooter, get the .380.

despite what other forum member says, they are misinform as to the .38 bullet the 1892 uses.

once again. you CANNOT shoot .38 special in this gun. you must use .38 LC or a custom .38 special reload that produce only 12,000 PSI range (STD .38 special is 17,000 PSI)

TriggerHappy86
09-28-2011, 7:14 PM
Triggerhappy.

if you want a shooter, get the .380.

despite what other forum member says, they are misinform as to the .38 bullet the 1892 uses.

once again. you CANNOT shoot .38 special in this gun. you must use .38 LC or a custom .38 special reload that produce only 12,000 PSI range (STD .38 special is 17,000 PSI)

Thanks for the heads up.

starsnuffer
09-28-2011, 7:55 PM
Is his mom cute? Marry her and get both.

-W

smle-man
09-28-2011, 8:16 PM
The revolver pictured is not a Smith & Wesson. I wouldn't bet my life on it being a Colt 1892, but I would that it's not a Smith & Wesson.

Sure looks like the Colt 1901 to me or the 1892.

bh6300
09-28-2011, 8:29 PM
Is his mom cute? Marry her and get both.

-W

Wow, totally inappropriate. His friend's dad past away and you make that kinda of comment.:mad:

cannon
09-28-2011, 9:19 PM
Wow, totally inappropriate. His friend's dad past away and you make that kinda of comment.:mad:

Welcome to Calguns...

tacticalcity
09-29-2011, 2:22 AM
I would just be grateful to have a such a good friend. However, I would feel a little guilty as well. He doesn't know what he's missing. This is an excellent oportunity for him to become a gun a person, at least a little bit. Dad's guns make nice gifts for his own son once he reaches adulthood. Perhaps you can be entrusted to hand onto them in case your buddy has a son someday? This isn't a gift you accept just to turn around and sell it.

TriggerHappy86
09-29-2011, 6:39 AM
Is his mom cute? Marry her and get both.

-W

She's re-married, hence the step-father aspect.

TriggerHappy86
09-29-2011, 6:50 AM
I would just be grateful to have a such a good friend. However, I would feel a little guilty as well. He doesn't know what he's missing. This is an excellent oportunity for him to become a gun a person, at least a little bit. Dad's guns make nice gifts for his own son once he reaches adulthood. Perhaps you can be entrusted to hand onto them in case your buddy has a son someday? This isn't a gift you accept just to turn around and sell it.

I understand where you are coming from and believe me, I am grateful for having such a good friend. I am insisting we take them to the range so he can perhaps get a feel for shooting and maybe awaken a sleeping hobby (expensive hobby) and just go from there... I'm not gonna be a dick and say he promised me one if he reneges. I don't sell/trade off my guns as it is, so it will be in my possession as a safe queen for years to come (not to mention 50rnds is approx. $40). Thus, in the future when/if he has children, that will be an option.

Thanks for your input gentlemen, I anticipate taking pictures for all to see tomorrow after work. So, check back in tomorrow night, that is, if he doesn't forget.

bombadillo
09-29-2011, 6:54 AM
revolver.

RedFord150
09-29-2011, 7:46 AM
Any chance you can take the guns to a qualified gunsmith before shooting them? I would be a little concerned because of their age and possibly unknown history. You also want to make darn sure you know exactly what ammo they can fire safely.
If you want too be really honest, take your friend to Gunslinger's in Glendora and ask Jeff Taverner, the owner, to give you a value range. Jeff does Gun Auctions every few months and seems to be really good at knowing the real values of some vintage firearms.
If this is a good friend, you want him to know exactly what he is giving up. You do not want to lose a friend because he figures out later that he should not have given away the guns.
Good luck.

wu_dot_com
09-29-2011, 9:19 AM
Any chance you can take the guns to a qualified gunsmith before shooting them? I would be a little concerned because of their age and possibly unknown history. You also want to make darn sure you know exactly what ammo they can fire safely.
If you want too be really honest, take your friend to Gunslinger's in Glendora and ask Jeff Taverner, the owner, to give you a value range. Jeff does Gun Auctions every few months and seems to be really good at knowing the real values of some vintage firearms.
If this is a good friend, you want him to know exactly what he is giving up. You do not want to lose a friend because he figures out later that he should not have given away the guns.
Good luck.

for the revolver, its not necessary to take it to a gun smith. there is a sticky here where it teaches you on how to check the timing, the cylinder play and lockup. take a flashlight to check the bore condition and you can take florescent liquid w/ black light to check for cylinder cracks.

TriggerHappy86
09-30-2011, 11:09 PM
As promised CalGunner's, here's the pics! Follow the links. Thanks again for the help!

Colt .38LC

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/62efbec7.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/4608a280.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/124dbbdf.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/eb315787.jpg

.380

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/5549b896.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/5cd52397.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kuriousmonkey05/Guns/6aa20912.jpg

kurac
09-30-2011, 11:26 PM
yup, you should take the Colt for sure. If the auto was a Walther it might be a tough decision for me but since its not, it should be a no brainer

TriggerHappy86
09-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Yea, my buddy actually said his step-dad wants the .380, so the revolver it is!

tacticalcity
09-30-2011, 11:36 PM
I understand where you are coming from and believe me, I am grateful for having such a good friend. I am insisting we take them to the range so he can perhaps get a feel for shooting and maybe awaken a sleeping hobby (expensive hobby) and just go from there... I'm not gonna be a dick and say he promised me one if he reneges. I don't sell/trade off my guns as it is, so it will be in my possession as a safe queen for years to come (not to mention 50rnds is approx. $40). Thus, in the future when/if he has children, that will be an option.

Thanks for your input gentlemen, I anticipate taking pictures for all to see tomorrow after work. So, check back in tomorrow night, that is, if he doesn't forget.

You're a good friend.

TriggerHappy86
09-30-2011, 11:43 PM
Colt top of Barrel: COLT'S PT F A MFG. CO. HARTFORD CT U.S.A.*
PATENTED AUG. 5 1884 NOV. 6 88 MARCH 5. 95.

The .380 Left Side: FÉG MOD.PMK MADE IN HUNGARY
Front Right: Front: K.B.I. INC. HARRISBURG, PA.

CA Cowboy
10-01-2011, 9:59 PM
I would take the revolver without any hesitation.

Anchors
10-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Your friend is a good guy. In my opinion, the revolver is cooler regardless of monetary value.

And since the step-dad wants the FEG, it is a win-win.
Really though, you should try to get your buddy into shooting ;)