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ExtremeX
09-25-2011, 11:11 PM
Looking to get a long gun in .22 LR for some time now. Looking for a target / plinker, just a range desert toy to extend my shooting time when outdoors.

Ive been toying around with the idea of getting a dedicated .22 upper for my AR-15 but since that option is just as expensive as buying a new rifle I started looking at new guns too... I see the advantage of not paying for DROS, getting to use/practice with my AR more often, and having a dedicated upper should help with accuracy since the twist rate is correct. But maybe its not the best, accurate, or most reliable option for me...

If I get something new what else is worth considering besides a Ruger 10/22??? maybe a bolt gun from Ruger,Remmy or Savage.

I also thinking of a bolt gun in .17 HMR, seems like it would be fun to shoot, but ammo expensive in comparison to .22. I wont be varminting, so maybe .17 isn't the best option for me.

ChaneRZ
09-25-2011, 11:24 PM
have you looked into mp 15-22?

NorCalDustin
09-25-2011, 11:32 PM
CMMG makes a really good dedicated upper (contact Shadow65 here on calguns for really good pricing)..

Other than that, I'd say look at a 10/22...

tonyxcom
09-25-2011, 11:40 PM
Another vote for the MP 15-22

ExtremeX
09-25-2011, 11:41 PM
have you looked into mp 15-22?

I have looked into it, and I do like it, but im not sure if buying one is really a better option than just getting a dedicated upper for my existing AR.

Let me know if theres something im missing from this picture. I think cost is around the same for the upper vs the 15-22.

Atleast with a dedicated upper I can use the same trigger group in my AR-15, which I have upgraded... I also have a benchrest AR with so I actually have 2 lowers I can use with the same upper.

Can the 15-22 still mix and match parts with a real AR-15?

awall919
09-25-2011, 11:43 PM
Id go with a Ruger 10/22. there are endless modifications, plus for the price you cant go wrong.

ExtremeX
09-25-2011, 11:48 PM
CMMG makes a really good dedicated upper (contact Shadow65 here on calguns for really good pricing)..

Other than that, I'd say look at a 10/22...


Ill give him a buzz and see what prices are like. Only thing that bothers me from CMMG is the forward assist doesn't work, but not sure if that's a big deal. After some of the tempting upgrades it starts to get expensive.

Something about the 10/22 is interesting to me, many seem to love it. I have never shot one. Looks to be a huge aftermarket for it. I would have a hard time picking a model that I like... Something light and mobile vs more of a target bench setup...

ERdept
09-25-2011, 11:52 PM
The Iconic 10/22.

More parts and aftermarket than any other. Not so specialized that it's just a target gun OR a assault weapon copy.


Can literally be anything and once it's there change to anything else.

nbkvig2
09-25-2011, 11:54 PM
If I could buy and keep only 1 22lr rifle, it'd be a 10/22...

Oldrice
09-26-2011, 1:03 AM
If I get something new what else is worth considering besides a Ruger 10/22??? maybe a bolt gun from Ruger,Remmy or Savage.

I also thinking of a bolt gun in .17 HMR, seems like it would be fun to shoot, but ammo expensive in comparison to .22. I wont be varminting, so maybe .17 isn't the best option for me.

Have you looked at or considered a CZ? Their new 455 has interchangeable barrels, so you can have both .22 and .17 HMR - and/or .22 Magnum - all in the same package. I own two of their 452 models, a Varmint and an Ultra Lux. The CZs are simply awesome.

I have heard and read very good things about the Savage bolt action rifles as well, but have no first-hand experience with them.

Wrangler John
09-26-2011, 1:52 AM
If I were to buy another .22 RF rifle I'd buy the best, something that is above the pack, a rifle worth owning.

www.cooperfirearms.com/rifles.php?rifle_name=jsr

www.cooperfirearms.com/rifles.php?rifle_name=cl

Otherwise, I'd get one of these that uses the same rotary magazine as the 10-22. www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine7722/models.html The Ruger 10-22 isn't a serious RF rifle, rather it is a fun plinker. I used one equipped with a barrel light for night rat hunts at an open municipal dump years ago. That friends, was the ultimate experience in RF fun, too bad it's gone the way of the dodo bird. I have a Savage 93R17 BTVS (.17 HMR) and while it is accurate (even with CCI Green lead free ammo) it doesn't have the class of those mentioned above, but it did have the advantage of costing $440.00 at the local gun shop, was in stock, and came with a thumbhole stock and Weaver bases installed.

X-NewYawker
09-26-2011, 3:05 AM
Get a Volquartsen .22. It is the 1022 that you would end up making some day -- match barrel, trigger, bolt, receiver with integral rails, custom stocks, and with good ammo its accuracy rivals the best match bolt guns.

https://www.volquartsen.com/tags/8-volquartsen-rimfire-rifles

On top shots Jerry Miculak uses one to shoot the stalks of Q-Tip cotton swabs!

Fadedline
09-26-2011, 8:59 AM
Love my 10/22's, but i'm saving my pennies right now for a Marlin 39a. Cowboy lever action 22 fun, plus it holds 19 rounds in the tube.

Plinkster22
09-26-2011, 9:01 AM
Look at the Marlin 795 if you want out-of-the-box accuracy and don't care about mods.

Quiet
09-26-2011, 11:19 AM
Marlin Model 60.

Chuck67
09-26-2011, 11:23 AM
Henry Lever action 22lr?

Kelster1574
09-26-2011, 11:24 AM
Ruger SR-22.......It's basically a 10/22 with a different look.

nrakid88
09-26-2011, 12:05 PM
Hey OP, CMMG's do have functional forward assists if you buy the upgrade when you get the upper.

I wen't without it because I don't use mine on the 5.56 version (read its bad to shove a bad round into a chamber, what if it won't come out?)

I never got what I would consider groups with my 10-22. More like patterns, but that was a while ago and I wasn't such a great shot.

I made these groups with Rem Gold Bullet (so far my CMMG upper's favorite) at 50 yards, with a 4x scope, on a breezy day (5-10mph, with 15-20mph gusts) from a left rear direction. Best I have gotten with any .22lr.

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp26/nrakid88/DSC03262.jpg

I am sure that those groups will tighten up on a non windy day.

And you can't beat the cheap practice you get with your 5.56 clone in .22lr

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp26/nrakid88/DSC03263.jpg

bsg
09-26-2011, 12:13 PM
Something about the 10/22 is interesting to me, many seem to love it. I have never shot one. Looks to be a huge aftermarket for it. I would have a hard time picking a model that I like... Something light and mobile vs more of a target bench setup...


the Ruger 10/22 is priced very low... and the potentials for it are very long. consider it strongly.

shadow65
09-26-2011, 12:13 PM
The CMMG uppers are available with forward assist and bolt hold open actuator. Even anodized uppers to match your lowers finish.
My M4 LE with stock barrel will shoot .8o7 at 50 yards with Eley EPS.
1.2" at 50 yards with Mini Mags
1.8" at 50 yards with Winchester Bulk 555

SLO1911Fan
09-26-2011, 12:16 PM
CZ 452
Marlin 39A
Tac Sol Conversion
M&P 15-22
Henry lever action
CMMG convesion
Remington 597
Ruger 10/22 with any of the boyd's stocks

In that order.

I'm a big fan of the CZ's. Also an old Glenfield Marlin model 60 with the squirrel carved on the stock, but that's just a sentimental thing.

Foriegn power
09-26-2011, 12:24 PM
Personal experience get a 10/22, and your options are endless from bull barrels to different stocks. I would stay away from fake looking wana be AR, MP 5 style .22's. From my experience they are junk and jam quite up a bit. Buddy had a .22 Colt ar- 15 style it jammed up quite a bit and nothing beats Ruger's 10/22! And the .17hmr with ammo price same as 9mm it's not going to be fun on your wallet.

tonyxcom
09-26-2011, 1:25 PM
Funny you say that, my brother has a 10/22 that jams like crazy while our SW 15-22 run awesome.

In fact, mine really likes Federal Bulk and I have run 100 rounds though it as fast as I can pull the trigger and change mags without any problems at all.

If you want accuracy, that's a different story :)

PLEASE don't judge an entire category of guns based on your LIMITED experience with a single sample of a single model.

Mail Clerk
09-26-2011, 6:35 PM
Looking to get a long gun in .22 LR for some time now. Looking for a target / plinker, just a range desert toy to extend my shooting time when outdoors.

Ive been toying around with the idea of getting a dedicated .22 upper for my AR-15 but since that option is just as expensive as buying a new rifle I started looking at new guns too... I see the advantage of not paying for DROS, getting to use/practice with my AR more often, and having a dedicated upper should help with accuracy since the twist rate is correct. But maybe its not the best, accurate, or most reliable option for me...

If I get something new what else is worth considering besides a Ruger 10/22??? maybe a bolt gun from Ruger,Remmy or Savage.

I also thinking of a bolt gun in .17 HMR, seems like it would be fun to shoot, but ammo expensive in comparison to .22. I wont be varminting, so maybe .17 isn't the best option for me.

ExtremeX,

I have Ruger, Remington rifles in my battery and have found them all very interesting/challenging especially the Remington 597. After racing it up some it's one of my best bench rest shooters I currently have compared to my Ruger. If I were in your shoes I'd pick the Savage semi auto that is currently on sale at BIG 5. Although it's in standard blue I much prefer the stainless steel version BUT for the price of $165 not including tax etc it's a most fantastic buy. I much prefer different from the norm rifles as they're more interesting to shoot and you'd be much surprised at how accurate they can be!!!! Savage has been around for decades so don't worry about getting parts
for it as it'll last longer than you will. ust buy as many mags as you can.

In addition I have a first generation Savage 17HMR rifle. This little bugger is super accurate for varmint shooting and with the new hollowpoint ammo they have now a days it's a tack driver. The ammo is most expensive as it's almost 1/3 more in price compared to the typical 22 magnum cartridge but when you pull the trigger the report tell you something is special with this little bullet.

For the best fun stay with the 22LR's and you'll save money in the long run
Good luck in your final decision.

Mail Clerk

Jyruiz
09-26-2011, 7:21 PM
Another vote for the Ruger. I also thought about getting a dedicated upper, or an AR style .22, but in the end, my Ruger came out to be cheaper and it is a complete rifle.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=111540&stc=1&d=1314129827

Hooligan
09-26-2011, 8:31 PM
If you are after accuracy- I'd vote a bolt action Savage in 22lr. In stock form, my buddies would run circles around my 10/22.

For tinkering get a 10/22.
For fast shooting semi-auto get a 10/22.

(I changed the barrel on mine to an E.R. Shaw for $100, and am super happy with my 10/22 now)

223556
09-26-2011, 8:53 PM
RUGER 10/22 All THE WAY!!! I just purchased from Big 5 for $230 new.

pyromensch
09-26-2011, 9:10 PM
i puchased mine new, from "mark fore and strike, in reno, for $64.......

oh, it was 1976

ExtremeX
09-26-2011, 10:32 PM
Another vote for the Ruger. I also thought about getting a dedicated upper, or an AR style .22, but in the end, my Ruger came out to be cheaper and it is a complete rifle.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=111540&stc=1&d=1314129827

Thats once sweet lookin 10/22

Thanks for the pict, its giving me ideas.

biloutkast
09-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Another vote for 10/22. Endless parts & accessories for it.

Seesm
09-26-2011, 11:10 PM
One guy said his 10/22 jams up...? Mine both jam up after about 600 rds of dirty .22 ammo and aftre a cleaning they are golden..

Jyruiz
09-27-2011, 7:00 AM
Thats once sweet lookin 10/22

Thanks for the pict, its giving me ideas.

Your welcome, and let me know if you have any questions about the parts I have on it.

bombadillo
09-27-2011, 7:33 AM
This is going to sound dumb, but I would suggest a Marlin 60, Stainless with a laminate stock. They're going for about $225 most places and they're fantastic autoloading shooters right out of the box. I've never found even a "factory match" gun that outshoots my 60's with a cheap 4x scope at 25 yards. My buddy was pretty pissed when his $2300 built up 10/22 with EVERY extra you could get was being rivaled by a cheap 200 dollar marlin 60. They're just great guns, I own 3.




http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/41/41121.jpg

triplestack3
09-27-2011, 8:02 AM
Depends on how much you have set aside... The 10/22 is a great all around rifle with tons of aftermarket support. Got mine for $200, so it'll definitely fit in most budgets. My favorite 22 is a Henry lever rifle. It's uncanny accurate, light, and most importantly FUN! Paid around 280 for mine new. Eats up 22 short, 22 long, and 22LR all day long.

BajaJames83
09-27-2011, 8:03 AM
Ruger 10/22

ExtremeX
09-27-2011, 11:11 AM
This is going to sound dumb, but I would suggest a Marlin 60, Stainless with a laminate stock. They're going for about $225 most places and they're fantastic autoloading shooters right out of the box. I've never found even a "factory match" gun that outshoots my 60's with a cheap 4x scope at 25 yards. My buddy was pretty pissed when his $2300 built up 10/22 with EVERY extra you could get was being rivaled by a cheap 200 dollar marlin 60. They're just great guns, I own 3.




http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/41/41121.jpg

Thanks for the input and picture! From the asthetic side I really like this Marlin 60. I have a couple black rifles already, I was thinking it was time for something a little more classic looking.

I guess I have to make a decesion, if I want to leave it alone out of the box, or if I might start building on the base like a 10/22.

So far I have it down to these...
10/22
Marlin 60
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFSS
Can anyone comment on this Savage Bolt Action .22

ExtremeX
09-27-2011, 11:15 AM
Depends on how much you have set aside... The 10/22 is a great all around rifle with tons of aftermarket support. Got mine for $200, so it'll definitely fit in most budgets. My favorite 22 is a Henry lever rifle. It's uncanny accurate, light, and most importantly FUN! Paid around 280 for mine new. Eats up 22 short, 22 long, and 22LR all day long.


I really dont want to spend more than 500-600 with optics, and thats on the top end, less is better. My only fear with the 10/22 is I will go mod happy and spend way more than I would have in the first place because of such a large aftermarket.

If I can get a stellar out of the box shooter, add a decent scope, and be on my way, I think that would work for me. Im thinking the Savage might deliver there.

tonyxcom
09-27-2011, 11:58 AM
I just ordered a Savage Mark II TRR-SR from buds. Will go nicely with my SW15-22.

ExtremeX
09-27-2011, 12:04 PM
I just ordered a Savage Mark II TRR-SR from buds. Will go nicely with my SW15-22.

The TRR-SR is like second on my list, love the way it looks. Its like perfect for people who have BRD.

I just have a thing for stainless now adays.

Maybe I should ask my question in a different way.... How much do you have to spend or mod a 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurate as one of these Savage bolt guns?

Jyruiz
09-27-2011, 12:18 PM
The TRR-SR is like second on my list, love the way it looks. Its like perfect for people who have BRD.

I just have a thing for stainless now adays.

Maybe I should ask my question in a different way.... How much do you have to spend or mod a 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurate as one of these Savage bolt guns?


You would definitely have to change the barrel or get the stock barrel recut, crowned and lapped, bed the stock and maybe even upgrade the trigger. I have thought about doing all this as well, but I can hit clays consistently at 100 yards without all that, so I am keeping it stock. Only thing I did to help accuracy was to get rid of the barrel band, but I had to do that to install the rail anyway, I just didn't tighten the rail all that much.

bombadillo
09-27-2011, 12:55 PM
I'd say try that marlin, throw a bushnell banner scope on it, and call it a day. I promise you, it'll shoot better than even a lot of modified 10/22's. For the price you can't go wrong and if you don't like it, you can get almost all your money back out of it. I love rugers, but haven't found one that'll out shoot a factory marlin without a lot of money put into it.

WW2Buff
09-27-2011, 1:06 PM
Look at CZ's website. I'm a big fan.

tonyxcom
09-27-2011, 1:21 PM
I borrowed a CZ 452 in 17hmr and it just didn't move me. I think it was mostly the way it looked and felt in hand.

jbush
09-27-2011, 1:42 PM
I've seen 10/22s for around 200 - 210 on sale. Tons of mods, and you don't have to go crazy all at once. But your right, once you start it's addicting. I have one stock and 2 with mods. There great, but if you want to keep it stock, I'd go Marlin or Savage. I think there better out of the box as far as trigger pull, barrel, accuracy etc.

Wrangler John
09-27-2011, 3:59 PM
Get a Volquartsen .22. It is the 1022 that you would end up making some day -- match barrel, trigger, bolt, receiver with integral rails, custom stocks, and with good ammo its accuracy rivals the best match bolt guns.

https://www.volquartsen.com/tags/8-volquartsen-rimfire-rifles

On top shots Jerry Miculak uses one to shoot the stalks of Q-Tip cotton swabs!

Just don't get a .17 HMR or any version with a carbon fiber wrapped barrel. My friend bought several Voltquartsen's only to find that the carbon fiber barrels shift zero as they heat, rather dramatically too. Also he is plagued with jams and misfeeds. He has spent much time discussing the problem with Volquartsen, and recently sent the carbon fiber barrels in for rebarreling. He uses them for sage rat shooting in high volume situations.

Munny$hot
09-28-2011, 7:02 AM
10/22 are great, but will cost me a lot to upgrade it to where I was happy with its accuracy and appearance. My CZ 452 Varmint on the other hand cost me 15.00 for the YoDave trigger pull upgrade and 15.00 it parts to bed the action. Even with bulk Federal 555 .22 ammo will shoot clover leaves or better at 25 yards all day

ExtremeX
09-28-2011, 10:23 AM
Ok so after some research and window shopping at some stores, I think I am going to go with the Savage Mark II FSS bolt action rifle in .22 LR.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFSS

Besides for adding a bipod and a scope, I dont see much else that needs to be done. I already have a 3-9x40 Vortex Diamondback scope laying around for it too.

I like autoloaders but I decided against the 10/22 because I dont want another project gun. I wanted some out of the box accuracy. + I dont own any bolt actions so I wanted something different.

Just a quick question... is it really nessary to bed the action of a .22LR bolt action?

Jyruiz
09-28-2011, 1:44 PM
Ok so after some research and window shopping at some stores, I think I am going to go with the Savage Mark II FSS bolt action rifle in .22 LR.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFSS

Besides for adding a bipod and a scope, I dont see much else that needs to be done. I already have a 3-9x40 Vortex Diamondback scope laying around for it too.

I like autoloaders but I decided against the 10/22 because I dont want another project gun. I wanted some out of the box accuracy. + I dont own any bolt actions so I wanted something different.

Just a quick question... is it really nessary to bed the action of a .22LR bolt action?

That rifle looks awesome, good luck and let us know how it shoots.

Jason P
09-28-2011, 3:38 PM
Marlin 795, Federal 36gr plated HP's, 3-9x40 NCStar scope, I shoot 1.5" at 100 in winds from 5-10MPH, 3-4" up to about 20MPH.

Super cheap, super accurate, simple and reliable, and I don't NEED to look like Rambo. YMMV

Munny$hot
09-28-2011, 3:40 PM
Ok so after some research and window shopping at some stores, I think I am going to go with the Savage Mark II FSS bolt action rifle in .22 LR.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFSS

Besides for adding a bipod and a scope, I dont see much else that needs to be done. I already have a 3-9x40 Vortex Diamondback scope laying around for it too.

I like autoloaders but I decided against the 10/22 because I dont want another project gun. I wanted some out of the box accuracy. + I dont own any bolt actions so I wanted something different.

Just a quick question... is it really nessary to bed the action of a .22LR bolt action?
Yes it is important if you want to squeeze every bit of accuracy out of your rifle. Bedding/pillar bedding, free floating the barrel and a excellent trigger are critical. With Federal Bulk 555 ammo from Walmart, I went from 1" groups at 25yards to shooting through the same hole/touching each other 1/4" using the same ammo. My 10/22 will do under a 1/2" at 25 yards for about the same cost as my CZ452 Varmint. Warning it does get boring shooting through the same hole, so you spend a lot of time looking for other things to shoot such as flies etc (never saw one yet). The best shooting I've ever done is spinning a metal cloths hanger (used to hold the target) around 7 out of 10 times at 50 yards. At that time IIRC I was using Federal Auto Match 333 bulk ammo from Walmart.

bombadillo
09-28-2011, 8:14 PM
That barrel on the savage even with the plastic stock is already free floated. You could pillar it but I think that would end up being a waste of money on a .22lr. Either leave it alone or get a boyds drop-in free floating stock and call it a day.

N8TEN30
09-29-2011, 8:08 AM
See this thread....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7234229#post7234229