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SemiAutoSam
02-03-2007, 4:28 PM
I have a craving for quality rifles this website talks about SIG rifles and more and the Swiss culture as well I found it very interesting as I hope you will.



http://www.swissrifles.com/
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The equivalent of our NRA.
http://www.swissrifles.com/#protell

This page is devoted to the Magazine-fed Cartridge Firing Service Rifles of Switzerland. Switzerland sits on the crossroads of Europe. Yet, their steadfast resolution to remain neutral has kept them out any foreign engagements since the time of Napoleon. In order to guarantee their neutrality, every eligible Swiss male between the age of 18 and 42 serves in the Swiss Military. On a person/square mile basis, only Israel fields a larger army. Every male is issued a rifle and ammunition which they keep at their home in case of national emergency. Throughout their history, the rifles issued have shared some common qualities, notably fine craftsmanship and extreme accuracy.

http://www.swissrifles.com/pe57/pe57_sm.jpg


I copied this from their website as it seems they are fighting their own kind of gun grabbers.

A Special Note from SwissRifles.com:
On September 26, mentally disturbed Swiss citizen, killed 15 people in a Canton Parliament building in Switzerland. It should be noted that:

1) Despite the fact that the man was armed with a Swiss Service rifle, he was never a member of the Swiss armed forces, thus the rifle was never issued to him.

2) Due to a criminal record, according to Swiss law, he should not have been allowed to keep his firearms after his arrest.

In spite of this, Swiss Gun-grabbers are now attempting to disarm the Swiss public. Despite the fact that over 600,000 full automatic rifles are in the hands of Swiss citizens, and yet they still have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.

Switzerland has been a democracy for over 700 years now, and in recent centuries only Napolean has dared to test them. Yet today, the tradition of the Swiss Citizen-Soldier is being deeply threatened. If any of you would wish to help in some small way, you can join ProTELL, the Swiss equivalent to our NRA. You can do so by clinking on the ProTELL graphic and them clicking on the Anmeldung/Subscribe link and filling out the form. The cost is 40 Swiss Francs or about $25/year.



I understand these are rough times and that this is merely a token gesture. But, the Swiss example is a powerful weapon in the fight against gun-grabbers. And in the end, our freedom as well as Switzerland's may well be at stake

I thank you for your indulgence.

Big L.E.E.
www.SwissRifles.com

M. Sage
02-03-2007, 4:52 PM
I like it. I looked at that site for K31 info when I was buying mine.

xenophobe
02-03-2007, 5:51 PM
http://www.swissrifles.com/pe57/pe57_sm.jpg


I almost bought one of these in 89. I really wish I had now, but it was a big, heavy beast...

SemiAutoSam
02-03-2007, 5:56 PM
It was 1986 for me I was at Martin B Retting in LA and they had the SIG AMT and the FN FAL 60.64 and another sig that took a round I have never seen.

I bought the FN FAL and the SIG AMT but wanted the other SIG maybe it was the 57 or the 510 but the round had a WAX ring in the area where the cartridge met the case.

Does anyone know what purpose this served and what Model SIG that was ?

thanks


I almost bought one of these in 89. I really wish I had now, but it was a big, heavy beast...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_510

xenophobe
02-03-2007, 6:07 PM
Well the Sig 510 and the StG57/PE57 are all basically the same rifle/action, though they did come in several different variants. They all shoot the 7.5x55 cartridge though.

Hopi
02-03-2007, 6:22 PM
I've been a member of that site for years, great resource! Group buys are a must join.....:D

SemiAutoSam
02-03-2007, 6:46 PM
Well it looks like the SIG 510-4 is not on the
Roberti Roos list. I have found my next purchase. just have to get an import license to bring it in from here.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euroarms.net%2FMailin g%2Fele2002%2Felenco021220.htm&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools



(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php?PHPSESSID=b269b813eeaf0c02d97ebbecab485b 16

Kestryll
02-03-2007, 7:34 PM
SwissRifles is a great site, there are some good people running it.

Yankee Clipper
02-03-2007, 7:53 PM
They are great people and are shooting here So.Cal. They put a great deal of emphasis on shooting skills and may welcome you to their matches and club. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but after they are trained and serve their obligatory service time, they keep their service rifles in their homes. I don't know what happens to their rifles after they reach 42. I've heard possibility apocryphal, that in their Swiss matches they put their jug of wine or beer stein on their shooting bench while they fire. If only partially true, they have a lot more confidence in their citizens self control than we do. And, if true, it doesn’t speak well about us , does it?

Hopi
02-03-2007, 8:27 PM
They are great people and are shooting here So.Cal. They put a great deal of emphasis on shooting skills and may welcome you to their matches and club. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but after they are trained and serve their obligatory service time, they keep their service rifles in their homes. I don't know what happens to their rifles after they reach 42. I've heard possibility apocryphal, that in their Swiss matches they put their jug of wine or beer stein on their shooting bench while they fire. If only partially true, they have a lot more confidence in their citizens self control than we do. And, if true, it doesn’t speak well about us , does it?

This is correct, and iirc, they have the option to buy their issue rifle at the end of service. Current issue is a select-fire sig.

bobfried
02-03-2007, 8:49 PM
....that in their Swiss matches they put their jug of wine or beer stein on their shooting bench while they fire. If only partially true, they have a lot more confidence in their citizens self control than we do. And, if true, it doesn’t speak well about us , does it?

They do, at least the ones I had the pleasure to see in action whilst in Europe. But than again you must remember that they are ALL military trained, a far cry from the average Jimbob Mericun.

And yes they keep their rifles at home, pretty much all males between their high school graduation and mid 40's are required to keep one (Full Auto 55x series nonetheless) and 2 boxes of ammo at home. They are required to requalify on a regular basis and it's not uncommon to see men with rifles slung on their back at the supermarkets during certain days of the year.

M. Sage
02-03-2007, 9:06 PM
It was 1986 for me I was at Martin B Retting in LA and they had the SIG AMT and the FN FAL 60.64 and another sig that took a round I have never seen.

I bought the FN FAL and the SIG AMT but wanted the other SIG maybe it was the 57 or the 510 but the round had a WAX ring in the area where the cartridge met the case.

Does anyone know what purpose this served and what Model SIG that was ?

Sounds like the 7.5x55 that the K31 eats. It's got a wax ring to make a nice airtight seal and keep the powder good. Probably one of the reasons the K31 can get MOA (or better) accuracy with 28-year-old surplus ammo.

aileron
02-04-2007, 9:57 AM
BTW, Pro Tell doesnt have their website in english. And I couldnt get google to translate the page.

I dont speak or read German, nor italian, and definatly not french. *sigh*

SemiAutoSam
02-04-2007, 10:14 AM
Let me see what I can do.

The links below are through Google the German version of the PROTEL site translated into English.

There are also French and Italian versions.

My wife told me what it said in Italian and I translated the pages with Google from there.



http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.protell.ch%2Fdefault_ d.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.protell.ch%2Fdefault_ d.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.protell.ch%2Fdefault_ d.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

SemiAutoSam
02-08-2007, 7:04 PM
More very interesting info on the SIG 510 series of rifles.


http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/sar/

rorschach
02-08-2007, 7:32 PM
Arent the rifles modded to semi-auto only if the trooper decides to buy it after leaving the service?

Great website.