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NYY
09-23-2011, 7:59 PM
was at Sportsman supply today and saw a nice Bolt action rifle (pretty sure not Remington, Winchester, or Savage, and also had one of those ".50 cal breaks" on it..) anyways. I quickly asked how much 20 rounds were.. and he showed me Hornady FMJs, $90 for 20. and the round itself was at least twice as big as i imagined it was. Didnt know that caliber is that expensive!

left to right. 5.56, .308, .338 Lapua

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/LAcatLA/11555.jpg

bomb_on_bus
09-23-2011, 8:25 PM
Yeah thats on the cheap end for .338 unfortunately. To get the good stuff its going to cost around 10 a round or to spare the wallet burn reload instead.

For the price or even cheaper you can shoot a much larger caliber such as a .375 cheytac. or any number of other large bore caliber rounds.

Hopefully some the US military will use more .338 ammo and get places like LC mass producing the round. Maybe then ammo prices will go down a bit.

Fjold
09-23-2011, 8:37 PM
4 Bore, 50 BMG, 375 H&H
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/Fjold/4Bore.jpg

Noah3683
09-23-2011, 8:40 PM
That's actually a pretty decent deal on .338

Bhobbs
09-23-2011, 8:44 PM
It was probably an AR-30.

LRShooter
09-23-2011, 8:45 PM
I've never seen it for less than $100 a box. Even brass is expensive. I'll stick with my .308 for now.

kermitz
09-23-2011, 8:58 PM
I ran across the same thing at my LGS. They had a sweet Remington 700 police .338, Leupold scope and Harris bipod. I dreamed about it for all of 5 minutes when i saw the cheapest .338 ammo was $130.00/20. No thanks.

CSACANNONEER
09-23-2011, 9:05 PM
LMAO! .338L is no where near "huge". It's less than 1/2 the size of a normal little 50BMG round. But, if you want to tell yourself and your GF that it is "huge", go ahead. Someday she'll learn the truth.

Bigtwin
09-23-2011, 9:18 PM
I was at the range on Labor day weekend, and a shooter next to me let me shoot his 338Lapua. It was very large compared to my 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r as well as any other .308 or 30-06 I have shot before.
I really liked shooting the 338 lapua. It was not as bad as I thought after seeing the caseing.

Then that same friendly shooter brought out his 50BMG. And holy ****! While it was no where near as loud as I expected(never been around one though), the boom was felt very much so. Seeing the dust trail run all the way out to the target was very cool.

After talking to him for some time, he said he loved the smaller caliber(338) much more.

robcoe
09-23-2011, 9:26 PM
4.50 a round, not to bad for .338

my buddy jokes that his .338 is chambered for $5 bills.

Fjold
09-23-2011, 9:31 PM
The case length of the 308 Win is 2.015"
The case length of the 30.06 is 2.494"
The case length of the 338 Lapua is 2.724"
The case length of the 375 H&H is 2.85"

Bigtwin
09-23-2011, 9:47 PM
The case length of the 308 Win is 2.015"
The case length of the 30.06 is 2.494"
The case length of the 338 Lapua is 2.724"
The case length of the 375 H&H is 2.85"

YES, but it was the diameter that looks huge to me!

CSACANNONEER
09-23-2011, 10:01 PM
YES, but it was the diameter that looks huge to me!

Sig line up for grabs!!!!!

Levetti
09-23-2011, 10:09 PM
^^^:rofl:

CRTguns
09-23-2011, 10:09 PM
ahh... no it's not.

RUM is bigger (100fps<lapua)
Edge is bigger(100fps>lapua)

And both use much cheaper domestic sized rifle actions to build you a gun.

Bigtwin
09-23-2011, 10:17 PM
Sig line up for grabs!!!!!

Good lord...please do not use my name in that one!:eek: lol

NYY
09-23-2011, 10:41 PM
just sayin compared to the common ammo that i shoot (5.56 and 7.62x39) it was big. Hadnt seen it in real before either. Only magazines/online so it was a surprise.. and ya, thanks for clarifying that a .50bmg or other rounds are bigger... that wasnt my point

Noah3683
09-23-2011, 10:43 PM
Sig claimed lol

Colt-45
09-23-2011, 11:17 PM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any rifles that can shoot at least two of the following calibers in 1 rifle?(kinda like .223/5.56 from the same) .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum.

Too many .338 calibers.......

metalliman545
09-24-2011, 4:44 AM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any guns that can shoot .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, ALL IN ONE?

Is there any that at least can shoot 2 of the above(kind like .223/5.56 from the same)? too many .338 calibers.......

Yup and it can also produce gummy bears

diego-ted
09-24-2011, 5:29 AM
You can get plinking 338 ammo for 2 bucks a shot. I know guys who reload for about $1.40 a round. That's the route I am going to go with my new 338 lapua rifle!

Fjold
09-24-2011, 7:25 AM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any guns that can shoot .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, ALL IN ONE?

Is there any that at least can shoot 2 of the above(kind like .223/5.56 from the same)? too many .338 calibers.......

No, different rim diameters, different headspace, etc

CSACANNONEER
09-24-2011, 7:32 AM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any guns that can shoot .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, ALL IN ONE?

Is there any that at least can shoot 2 of the above(kind like .223/5.56 from the same)? too many .338 calibers.......

Sure, one could always make something like an EDM Windrunner or TC Encore with separate barrels and bolts for each round. Just because all the rounds you mentioned shoot the same caliber of projectile does not mean that the cartridges will interchange in the chambers.

The question you just asked is sorta like asking: "Is there is any one gun that will shoot .30 carbine, 30-30, 7.5 Swiss, .308, 30-06, 300WM, .300 Wisper, 7.62x38R, 7.62x54R, 7.62x39, etc?"

The reason that .223 and 5.56 can be fired out of the same gun is simply because they have the same chamber dimmensions.

MrExel17
09-24-2011, 8:21 AM
Nice round and I bet it will be fun to shoot, but man $90 for 20rds and that the low end.. I'll pass.

Dhena81
09-24-2011, 8:27 AM
You definitely want to reload if you go 338L a good intermediate cartridge would be 300WM.

CSACANNONEER
09-24-2011, 8:38 AM
and ya, thanks for clarifying that a .50bmg or other rounds are bigger... that wasnt my point

So, what was your point? You seem to be comparing the 338L with your limited knowledge and experience. But, when other point out that the 338L is smaller than what they are used to, you don't want to hear it. Of course there are plent of bigger cartridges out there and many of of are experienced with them. Therefore, we don't consider the little .338L "HUGE" just "above average". I'm not sure why you started this thread. It appears that you were trying to educate us on just how big the little round is. Well, if that's the case, some of us have stepped up to point out that it's not as "HUGE" as you think it is. Don't worry, you're young. Sooner or latter some girl will correct you again and let you know that "it's not even half as "HUGE" as you think it is".

Killawhale415
09-24-2011, 8:45 AM
Stay tuned next week for "Holy S*** that round is Huge" when our hero discovers a 20mm!

Killawhale415
09-24-2011, 8:47 AM
On a side not for anyone interested in geting into a 338 lapua rifle that wont break the bank take a look at the new savage 111 long range hunter.

Has a pretty crappy stock but they come with muzzle brakes installed and are pretty nice rifles.

prerunners4life
09-24-2011, 8:52 AM
My pops and I reload .338 lapua for around $20 a box, so if you reload then. It's not bad..
Going to burro tomorrow to shoot the .338 lapua if anyone wants to come along..

:)

someR1
09-24-2011, 9:23 AM
Yup and it can also produce gummy bears

LMFAO !

NYY
09-24-2011, 9:38 AM
Stay tuned next week for "Holy S*** that round is Huge" when our hero discovers a 20mm!

ohh dont worry, i have 2 sitting right next to my computer. its not even that big... :D

Colt-45
09-24-2011, 10:14 AM
Sure, one could always make something like an EDM Windrunner or TC Encore with separate barrels and bolts for each round. Just because all the rounds you mentioned shoot the same caliber of projectile does not mean that the cartridges will interchange in the chambers.

The question you just asked is sorta like asking: "Is there is any one gun that will shoot .30 carbine, 30-30, 7.5 Swiss, .308, 30-06, 300WM, .300 Wisper, 7.62x38R, 7.62x54R, 7.62x39, etc?"

The reason that .223 and 5.56 can be fired out of the same gun is simply because they have the same chamber dimmensions.

Of the .338 calibers listed, which is the most popular/widely available? .338 Lapua or .338 Winchester magnum?

Yup and it can also produce gummy bears

really? no ****!:rolleyes: If it can make gummy bears I'm sure it can make you a cookie.

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 9:31 AM
Of the .338 calibers listed, which is the most popular/widely available? .338 Lapua or .338 Winchester magnum?


Popular and widely available for what disiplines?

FatalKitty
09-25-2011, 10:51 AM
LMAO! .338L is no where near "huge". It's less than 1/2 the size of a normal little 50BMG round. But, if you want to tell yourself and your GF that it is "huge", go ahead. Someday she'll learn the truth.

you are kind of an ******* aren't you

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 11:13 AM
you are kind of an ******* aren't you

Yea, but as many here can attest to, I'm the same way in person. I'm not just hiding behind a keyboard somewhere and talking crap because no one can find me. I have had several hundred calgunners to my home so, I'm definately not hiding. I've been to more than a couple official and unoffical calgun events and I'm willing to say the same thing in person as I do on the forum. Well, I actually try to keep from getting banned here so, in person, I'll tell it like I see it without having to edit my thoughts.:43:

SanPedroShooter
09-25-2011, 11:16 AM
lol, so in other words, yes you are an *******....;)

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 11:19 AM
lol, so in other words, yes you are an *******....;)

That's why I said "Yea"!:p

You really need to take a reading comprehension class!:p:p

SanPedroShooter
09-25-2011, 11:33 AM
Hey, I am just double checking... You should make up for it by hosting another CGN party and inviting all the people you were rude to. Unless you think they wouldnt all fit...:D

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 11:34 AM
Hey, I am just double checking... You should make up for it by hosting another CGN party and inviting all the people you were rude to. Unless you think they wouldnt all fit...:D

I'd have to do it in shifts. I've only got 20 acres here.

FatalKitty
09-25-2011, 11:46 AM
Yea, but as many here can attest to, I'm the same way in person. I'm not just hiding behind a keyboard somewhere and talking crap because no one can find me. I have had several hundred calgunners to my home so, I'm definately not hiding. I've been to more than a couple official and unoffical calgun events and I'm willing to say the same thing in person as I do on the forum. Well, I actually try to keep from getting banned here so, in person, I'll tell it like I see it without having to edit my thoughts.:43:

you're my hero (nohomo) ;)

brando
09-25-2011, 11:54 AM
Sigh...

Bhobbs
09-25-2011, 1:25 PM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any guns that can shoot .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, ALL IN ONE?

Is there any that at least can shoot 2 of the above(kinda like .223/5.56 from the same)? too many .338 calibers.......

Can't tell if serious.

dfletcher
09-25-2011, 2:24 PM
When I go to the range with my CZ 550 Safari and a friend has his 338 LM I always refer to it as a "necked down" 416 Rigby ..... :)

Colt-45
09-25-2011, 2:51 PM
Can't tell if serious.

I was thinking along the lines of:

.357 magnum revolver being able to shoot 38 specials.

.44 magnum revolvers being able to shoot .44 specials.

5.56x45 rifles being able to shoot .223's.

I didn't mean to say a rifle that could shoot ALL of those .338 calibers in one that would be hard to achieve , maybe 2 in one:confused:.

Popular and widely available for what disiplines?

Which is going to be easier to come by or are they all equally expensive and hard to come across?(hunting/longer range shooting, not necessarily to 1000 yards:rolleyes:)

I shot a .338 Winchester magnum a few days ago. Liked it so much I was thinking about getting one :43:, got online to look at the price of ammo and said NVM.

Bhobbs
09-25-2011, 3:02 PM
I was thinking along the lines of:

.357 magnum revolver being able to shoot 38 specials.

.44 magnum revolvers being able to shoot .44 specials.

5.56x45 rifles being able to shoot .223's.

I didn't mean to say a rifle that could shoot ALL of those .338 calibers in one that would be hard to achieve , maybe 2 in one:confused:.


That's because .357 Mag and .38 special have the same rim diameter and case diameter. Just the length is different. Same for .44 Mag and .44 special. They are straight walled pistol cases which allow them to be fired in the same cylinder.

The rounds you mentioned have different dimensions but happen to fire the same diameter bullet.

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 4:19 PM
I was thinking along the lines of:

.357 magnum revolver being able to shoot 38 specials.

.44 magnum revolvers being able to shoot .44 specials.

5.56x45 rifles being able to shoot .223's.

I didn't mean to say a rifle that could shoot ALL of those .338 calibers in one that would be hard to achieve , maybe 2 in one:confused:.



Which is going to be easier to come by or are they all equally expensive and hard to come across?(hunting/longer range shooting, not necessarily to 1000 yards:rolleyes:)

I shot a .338 Winchester magnum a few days ago. Liked it so much I was thinking about getting one :43:, got online to look at the price of ammo and said NVM.

I think local availability is something you would need to research instead of just general availablity. None of them are interchangeable. If you are interested in any of them, I suggest you learn to reload. Cost of ammo will end up being around a buck a shot (plus brass which can be used multiple times) for any of them. What's wrong with shooting 1000 yards?

Colt-45
09-25-2011, 4:44 PM
What's wrong with shooting 1000 yards?

Nothing wrong with shooting to 1000 yards. I like to be realistic and I am not at that level just yet. I love it when n00bs that have never even had a rifle before, come into the forums asking for the 1000 yard rifle, expecting the rifle to do all the precision for them.:facepalm:.

CSACANNONEER
09-25-2011, 5:03 PM
Nothing wrong with shooting to 1000 yards. I like to be realistic and I am not at that level just yet. I love it when n00bs that have never even had a rifle before, come into the forums asking for the 1000 yard rifle, expecting the rifle to do all the precision for them.:facepalm:.

To completely derail this thread:

I went to my first 1000 yard match having never seen a 1000 yard range before. I had never competed in any shooting discipline over 100 meters. I went with realist expectations and I was able to meet them. All I wanted was to keep most of my rounds on the 72"x72" paper and that's what I accomplished. But, I had fun and learned a lot. Every match is still a learning experience and fun too. IF you find a decent coach, you'll be fine. I had to learn the hard way but, my stepson was able to learn from my experiences. He shot his 1st 100 yard match having never seen a 100 yard range befroe then either. Well, I started him off with an unsighted rifle and told him that he would need to know how to adjust the scope if he wanted to shoot the match. I walked him through how to zer o a scope with one shot while he was doing it. His second shot was 2" under the clay pigeon he was aiming at 1000 yards away and his third shot broke it! So, it can be an easier game to get into than you think. Starting out on top of the pack isn't easy but, if you are willing to accept placing last for your first few matches, you should be able to grow quickly and start placing middle of the pack. That's assuming that you are capable of it and your gun and ammo are too.

bomb_on_bus
09-25-2011, 5:17 PM
This thread is now about Jessica Alba

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v_JOs7LBOIk/TQNlusvCyMI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b-Yt-Qn4P9o/s1600/Jessica%2BAlba%2BHot%2BPhoto%2B%252810%2529.jpg

Colt-45
09-25-2011, 5:52 PM
IF you find a decent coach, you'll be fine.

I'll have to give it a try some time once I have the right scope and the right loads.

And now back on topic.......

:D

pratchett
09-25-2011, 8:51 PM
Don't mean to thread jack but this might be the appropriate thread.

Is there any rifles that can shoot at least two of the following calibers in 1 rifle?(kinda like .223/5.56 from the same) .338 Federal, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum.

Too many .338 calibers.......

If you're asking which of those rounds, if any, are interchangeable, you need to buy a copy of Cartridges of the World. You need the text anyway, but this would be a good reason to pick up a copy.

Also, I can't tell if you're wrong, but I want to correct you forthwith: .223 and 5.56 are not interchangeable per se unless you have a Wylde chamber. You can fire .223 in a firearm chambered for 5.56, but the reverse is inadvisable.

As far as CSACannoneer goes, he's actually a very nice person. If you're having problems with him, either you don't understand his sense of humor, or you're being a poo-poo head.

Colt-45
09-25-2011, 9:04 PM
My first question was already answered by CSACannoneer and Bhobbs. Tried to go back on topic but here we go again.......:facepalm:


As far as CSACannoneer goes, he's actually a very nice person. If you're having problems with him, either you don't understand his sense of humor, or you're being a poo-poo head.

Problems with CSACannoneer?:confused: what lead you to believe that?


Also, I can't tell if you're wrong, but I want to correct you forthwith: .223 and 5.56 are not interchangeable per se unless you have a Wylde chamber. You can fire .223 in a firearm chambered for 5.56, but the reverse is inadvisable.


I did NOT say you could shoot 5.56 out of a .223 rifle.

NYY
09-25-2011, 9:17 PM
This thread is now about Jessica Alba

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v_JOs7LBOIk/TQNlusvCyMI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b-Yt-Qn4P9o/s1600/Jessica%2BAlba%2BHot%2BPhoto%2B%252810%2529.jpg

well damn im fine with that!! any others u got?? :D

skkeeter
09-25-2011, 10:24 PM
This thread is now about Jessica Alba

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v_JOs7LBOIk/TQNlusvCyMI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b-Yt-Qn4P9o/s1600/Jessica%2BAlba%2BHot%2BPhoto%2B%252810%2529.jpg

I just wanted to see this picture one more time as I scroll down this almost useless thread. At least it was until Jessica popped in:)

Bhobbs
09-25-2011, 10:56 PM
Even better this thread is about hot women named Jessica.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/6/jessica_biel_hot_girl_sand.jpg

LBDamned
09-26-2011, 8:55 AM
YaY, thread redemption after all :)

Buddhabelly
09-26-2011, 10:57 AM
This thread is now about Jessica Alba

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v_JOs7LBOIk/TQNlusvCyMI/AAAAAAAAAlo/b-Yt-Qn4P9o/s1600/Jessica%2BAlba%2BHot%2BPhoto%2B%252810%2529.jpg

I never thought her frontal assets were that big. Have any others?

bomb_on_bus
09-26-2011, 11:06 AM
Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! FYI Jessica likes men of a higher caliber he he.

http://www.operatorchan.org/t/arch/src/t109577_leather%20chaps%20worn%20by%20Jessica%20Al ba%20in%20Sin%20City.jpg

furyous68
09-26-2011, 11:15 AM
I never thought her frontal assets were that big. Have any others?

She did just have a kid!

unusedusername
09-26-2011, 5:09 PM
4 Bore, 50 BMG, 375 H&H


Whoa...

[The 4 Bore] could potentially inflict permanent nerve damage to the hunter if fired too frequently in rapid succession. The huge lead slugs created massive wounds, but frequently failed to penetrate to the vital organs of their intended game animal--the elephant. Anecdotal evidence from this period suggests that elephant, were on occasion, shot a dozen times or more during running gun battles closer to an all-out war than a hunt. The animals eventually bled to death, but managed to take the occasional hunter with them. The massive soft, lead slugs weighed 1,882 grains and had a very large frontal surface. The calibers generally ran in the .890" range, +/.010". These large slugs, traveling at a modest 1,330 fps propelled by 12 drams of black powder, generated 7,400 ft-lbs of muzzle energy and created tremendous wounds, but the bullets deformed quickly and slowed down dramatically when striking large bones. Still, it was a formidable weapon and one wonders how many failures were due to poor shot placement caused by the hunter flinching.

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2006/03/the_4_bore_cart.html

NYY
09-26-2011, 5:43 PM
I never thought her frontal assets were that big. Have any others?

they really arent though... i hate bra's with a passion

stormy_clothing
09-27-2011, 1:32 PM
http://www.paparazziwallpapers.com/data/media/26/jessica_alba_wallpapers_053.jpg

xrMike
09-27-2011, 1:35 PM
Damn! those are fine assets!

stormy_clothing
09-27-2011, 1:38 PM
too bad she is a total ***** in real life and deserves her some scavies she got

Bhobbs
09-27-2011, 2:03 PM
too bad she is a total ***** in real life and deserves her some scavies she got

Most are for some reason.

xrMike
09-27-2011, 2:12 PM
too bad she is a total ***** in real life and deserves her some scavies she gotTranslation? What has she done in real life, and what are "scavies"?

mif_slim
09-27-2011, 2:26 PM
For some reason this reminded me of a kid at a shop talking about how he has this and that...said he had a Hayabusa, he owned a BMW M3 and shoots a 338 Lapua. The kid was like 15 years old running max 112lbs and rod a bicycle to the shop. LOL....

joefreas
09-27-2011, 2:44 PM
:drool5::drool5::drool5::drool5::drool5:

peterhodges
09-27-2011, 5:03 PM
http://www.paparazziwallpapers.com/data/media/26/jessica_alba_wallpapers_053.jpg

Oh my.

I have just the right 338 for that...an ULTRA MAGNUM :cool2:

Bhobbs
09-27-2011, 6:21 PM
.223 = your little daughters varmint hunting round.

.308 = 1950's tech weak bastard of the 30-06 still used because of the short bus mentality displayed by military procurement.

.338= the cutting edge circa early 80's. Adopted by a few militaries as a superior LR
hard hitter, and since eclipsed by more modern and efficient LR cartridges.

Such as?

NYY
09-27-2011, 7:09 PM
Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! FYI Jessica likes men of a higher caliber he he.

http://www.operatorchan.org/t/arch/src/t109577_leather%20chaps%20worn%20by%20Jessica%20Al ba%20in%20Sin%20City.jpg

see what i mean with the "big frontal assets"... ya. dont think so.

Bhobbs
09-28-2011, 5:54 AM
.338 Norma Mag.

.338 Norma Mag replicates the .338 Lapua Mag but has a slightly shorter case so you can run the longer bullets seat out. It doesn't really eclipse it.

Sunday
09-28-2011, 10:35 AM
I ran across the same thing at my LGS. They had a sweet Remington 700 police .338, Leupold scope and Harris bipod. I dreamed about it for all of 5 minutes when i saw the cheapest .338 ammo was $130.00/20. No thanks.

One of my friends has one and I have shot it a bit, Really Really accurate hardly any recoil with the muzzle break . I like it. The price of Ammo? Reload and besides that isn't a rifle you run 200 rounds in a sitting with. you practice with the 308 then go to the 338 to prove yourself at a 1000 plus yards. It is a big boy toy. Too bad I am not a big boy otherwise I would buy one!!!

Bhobbs
09-28-2011, 3:07 PM
Yep, kind of like the 6BR replicates the velocity of .243, but due to the shape of the case, you get less throat erosion, and better combustion characteristics.
This is why there is a tendency towards shorter fatter cases, rather than longer slimmer ones. You see details matter. The fact that the case is shorter and has a better shoulder angle, yet allows for comparable velocity and accuracy, is indeed an improvement, and this improvement is a result of the technology in case design eclipsing the decades old design seen in the lapua case. Do your research, learn to understand the differences and why they matter.

Slightly improves upon? Yes.
Eclipse? No.

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/300px-338-lapua-magnum-vs-338-norma-magnum1.jpg

When I think of one round or class of rounds eclipsing another I think of the 6s and 6.5s eclipsing the .308 Win.

Bhobbs
09-28-2011, 7:01 PM
Nice picture Bhobbs, though the details may seem slight to you, they are not. In fact even in the picture you posted of the two cartridges there are inconsistencies which you might not see, care to guess what the main one is. Give it a shot bhobbs, lets see what you can see.

I don't have enough experience with either cartridge to see inconsistencies there may be in a picture.

What is it?

skkeeter
09-28-2011, 10:53 PM
Can we have more pictures of girls please? This thread seems to have gone off topic yet again...........:)

Bhobbs
09-29-2011, 7:52 AM
The thing that stands out most is the seating depth of the bullet. Although you have a 250gr in the LM case, and a 300gr in the NM case
both are shown at same (roughly) OAL. Not a huge deal but it allows for more variation in
seating depth for the NM that will still fit into a mag. Unless you intend to single load all your rounds this would be advantage NM. Don't get me wrong, I still own a LM rifle, and it is a great round, but I am looking to do another build in the very near future, and so have been researching the issue by speaking with guys online and at matches, etc. and have decided to go with the Norma mag for my next build. As you noted, the cartridge has about equal performance as the LM, just in an updated, more compact ,
package that allows for greater variability to the long range high accuracy shooter.
There are of course other cartridges with higher performance, but that comes at a price, like the .338/408 or even the .338 magnums necked down to 300 for the heavy bullets like the 240 smk which is only 10 grains off 250, but a lot faster. Guess it all depends what you want out of your rig. End of the day the best
cartridge is the one you shoot.

Those aren't inconsistencies, that is how the round was designed. :facepalm:

Bhobbs
09-29-2011, 5:05 PM
See bhobbs, the issue now is that you have trouble understanding the terms.
To eclipse something only need mean to be better than for some reason. The reason or reasons may be minor. I am using inconsistent to mean not consistent with what is presented, ie 250 grain v 300 gr loading, seat depth etc. the original design intent with the lapua was for 250 grainers, the Norma mag with 300 grainers, but you see today it is largely agreed that the 300 grainer is the way to go for long range, but You bhobbs posted the picture, and the picture is of a 250 grainer v a 300 grainer. Why didnt you post a picture of a lapua mag sporting a 300 grain bullet seated out to max
next to a picture of the 300 grainer in the Norma? Would it be because you got the picture off of wikipedia which is likely exactly where you went to do your research after reading my post suggesting the Norma mag "eclipsed" the Lapua mag. You have already stated you do not have the experience with the cartridges, I will take you at your word. The answer to your question "what is it" ... well, You posted it.


You obviously don't know the difference between inconsistent and a different design.

The Norma Mag was designed to seat the 300 grain bullet at mag length without eating case capacity. That is why the picture shows the .338 LM with a 250 and .338 NM with a 300.

Wicked Pete
09-29-2011, 6:19 PM
Only on CGN: start with Lapua and end with Alba.

Bhobbs
09-29-2011, 6:35 PM
Thank You bhobbs, you have just made the point for me, which is as it should be. As you said the .338 Lapua mag was designed to shoot the 250 grainer, which is old tech, and has been eclipsed by the 300 grain projectiles with better BC. The shorter case and the fact that the Norma mag was designed to for the 300 grain projectile, makes it definitive in my opinion, that the .338 Norma mag, does indeed eclipse the .338 Lapua mag. You said it yourself Bhobbs. Some guys just have to learn the hard way.

The .338 LM and .338 NM push the 300 grain bullets to the same velocity. The .338 LM is an established LR round. The .338 NM has only been out for 2-3 years and has little support. The .338 NM does nothing different than the .338 LM other than seating depth, that's it. The .338 NM was designed to fit in a Remington 700 long action. With its smaller case capacity it will have to operate at greater pressure to equal the .338 Lapua Mag anyways.

It's not better, it's just different.

Bhobbs
09-29-2011, 7:57 PM
Bhobbs, You have had nothing of merit to add to the discussion. I try to lay things out, and all you do is try to negate them. In short, you simply react to my presentations of fact which you grudgingly agree to in your own words, post after post. What do you have to add to the conversation? Little it seems. Do you own a Lapua mag? do you load for it?
I do. Do you shoot long range? are you able to make comparisons? do you speak to others on the Long range line about the characteristics which even make a cartridge worthy? Does 338 even matter? Many guys are using 7mm short magnums now to reach out well over 1K. You just simply seem to be unable to accept the facts. Funny thing is, my original post, ya'know the one about .223 being your daughters hunting round, the .308 short bus, and the .338 being eclipsed by more modern stuff was just a
little tweak.... I appreciate all three, though they are accepted by most shooters simply because of what you say, that being that they are "standard military" cartridges. That by itself is a joke, at least it is a joke on the brilliant minds that foist these things on the men who put there lives on the line for country and honor. So there you go, the record is there in black and white, what you and I had to say. Now it is for others to read and draw their own conclusions. Of course real conclusions can only be drawn from experience.
Cheers, B

How do you believe it is a fact the .338 NM has eclipsed the .338 LM as a long range round when there is almost no information about the .338 NM available? It does something the .338 LM does but slightly different. Like I said it may very well be a slight improvement over the .338 LM.

I very well understand that the 7mm Mags are used to shoot 1K+ but what that has to do with the .338s is beyond me.

bcrich
09-30-2011, 2:07 PM
OK SHUT UP ALREADY.......more pics of the biatches!:43:

NYY
09-30-2011, 3:46 PM
OK SHUT UP ALREADY.......more pics of the biatches!:43:

hahaha