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DArBad
09-20-2011, 2:49 PM
Hey Gang,

It seems that the Smith and Wesson 1911s are not as common when compared to either the Springfields and Kimbers. I've been to several LGS on several occasions and the most that I've seen are 2-3 at the most. A lot of times they are nowhere to be found.

I would have thought that they are desirable, for all the reasons we read about. What gives???

Revoman
09-20-2011, 3:42 PM
I own a S&W 1911-DK and really like it a lot. Since I have zero experience with any other 1911's, I can't say if it's any better or worse than other brands. I only know that this one works well for me.

DArBad
09-20-2011, 3:50 PM
I own a S&W 1911-DK and really like it a lot. Since I have zero experience with any other 1911's, I can't say if it's any better or worse than other brands. I only know that this one works well for me.

Hi Revoman,

I have no doubt at all that your SW DK is a quality piece. When you went to the gun store, did you see plenty of Smith 1911s??

Sebass
09-20-2011, 4:30 PM
I have one, and really like mine as well :). Got mine off Gunbroker for a very good price. Bass Pro cleared them out a while ago for around $750? Pretty good deal for anyone who snatched one up at that price :eek:.

As to your original question, no I have not seen them at any of my LGS.

tacticalcity
09-20-2011, 5:10 PM
You'll find them all over Gunbroker.com.

sneather
09-20-2011, 7:04 PM
I think it's worth noting that the fact that the Smith & Wesson 1911's (as too, the Sigs) use external extractors, that is an automatic turnoff to many 1911 purists. Regardless of quality or reliability, it can't be argued that the 1911 does attract a rather loyal crowd. Don't get the top-shelf 1911 owners started on the subject of MIM...

NIB
09-20-2011, 7:12 PM
I'd buy one if I can find one locally. Since S&W is backed up on M&P orders they seem to have put the 1911 market to the side for a bit.

BlueOvalBandit
09-20-2011, 7:22 PM
I agree that purist see an external extractor and go ewwww followed by something like "If JMB wanted an external extractor he would have designed it blah blah...." I guess they only own and shoot the original GI models :facepalm:. Kimbers external extractor only solidified the EE hate, but Sig and Smith have a much different design.

But anyway I got a PC 1911 in melonite this July and it rocks, I love it to death in about 1800 rounds never had a FTE or a even FTF while firing (even during break in, but I shoot all ball). I have had FTF from loading while shooting at USPSA matches, but that was operator error. Trigger is nice, not as good as a full custom though but definitely better than a regular off the shelf (breaks around 4-4.5lbs which is the lowest I'll go), there's a little lateral wiggle nothing big. I had to get mine online on Gunbroker.

sholling
09-20-2011, 7:36 PM
If Turners is out of SW1911s then try Buds Gunshop (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php) (search SW1911) they have what appear to be a few CA approved models from $850 and up. Don't expect full service from Bud's but they usually have the best prices. Don't let the improved extractor get in the way it's a great 1911.

Revoman
09-20-2011, 7:44 PM
OP....

There happened to be a couple of S&W's in the case that day, I had also seen a few at Turner's, all in the San Diego area. Matter of fact, I offered Turner's the chance to match the others price, they declined and missed that sale.

That Turner's still has a few S&W's in the case a few years later, not that they are the same ones, only that there are still some available at Turner's.

I keep tabs on most of the LGS around here and while there are some S&W's, there are many more Springfields and Kimbers being displayed.

Inkman
09-20-2011, 8:46 PM
I have 2 PC1911s that i absolutely love. Both bought used. I'd have more but the PC1911s just never come up for sale used. Seems most buyers keep em forever.

Never owned a DK or entry level model, but i can compare the PCs to my Ed Browns and i prefer the S&Ws. For both plain old bullseye shooting and for Action Pistol.

Al



http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Inkmanno1/PC1911/030.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Inkmanno1/PC1911/014.jpg

RT13
09-20-2011, 10:05 PM
I love my S&W 1911, they make one of the most reliable 1911's out there And you can't beat their price for what you get. And boy are they tack drivers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Nzo13/Vault/IMG_0888.jpg

nvision
09-20-2011, 10:18 PM
my railed SW1911 has never experienced a problem with the external extractor. great gun.

spoolinq
09-20-2011, 10:24 PM
sw1911 here. very reliable and very accurate

JanG
09-20-2011, 10:56 PM
are there any rail'd sw1911 still on the roster and on production?

Rumline
09-20-2011, 11:58 PM
I've got a Pro Series S&W 1911 in 9mm with about 2000 rounds down the pipe and the thing has never jammed or failed-to-anything. :: knocks on wood :: In comparing to all the other 9mm 1911s I could get my hands on, the S&W came out on top.

I've been shooting a S&W semiauto of some sort or another since 1992 and never had a single problem with the extractors. As far as I'm concerned they've mastered the external extractor and that's one reason I will continue to buy S&W over other brands if the comparison is otherwise close.

iron330
09-21-2011, 6:12 AM
If they're good enough for Tom Selleck's Jesse Stone (SW1911SC), they're good enough for me ;-)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Jesse_Stone:_No_Remorse#Smith_.26_Wesson_SW1911SC

whipkiller
09-21-2011, 6:56 AM
I have 2 PC1911s that i absolutely love. Both bought used. I'd have more but the PC1911s just never come up for sale used. Seems most buyers keep em forever.

Never owned a DK or entry level model, but i can compare the PCs to my Ed Browns and i prefer the S&Ws. For both plain old bullseye shooting and for Action Pistol.

Al



http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Inkmanno1/PC1911/030.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/Inkmanno1/PC1911/014.jpg

I love that the numbers start with "JMBxxxx"

Z.1
09-21-2011, 7:17 AM
I love that the numbers start with "JMBxxxx"

Ha! Didn't catch that the first time, but that is pretty neat. Nice subtle touch.

DArBad
09-21-2011, 8:57 AM
Thanks guys, for all your responses. See, the last time I actually saw one at my LGS was around mid of 2010. It was a stainless " 108282 " I think. I wanted to buy it at that time but did not have the money, so I said to myself " I'll get it later ".

I thought, since they are Smith and Wesson, there will be plenty of them just floating around. I really don't want to buy through the internet, as I had SEVERAL bad experience with that method when I bought my Colts.

Anyway, I'd like to buy one but I want to be able to actually hold and examine carefully before purchase. I am in no hurry, so I'll just wait until one shows up at my LGS.

Cheers, everyone!

Fishslayer
09-21-2011, 9:03 AM
I don't pay a lot of attention to the new 1911 cases (too many 4 figure price tags) but I know I don't see them in the consignment cases very often. My guess is that owners don't sell 'em. :(

PolishMike
09-21-2011, 9:09 AM
The E-series are starting to come out. We just sold our first batch. We have a SS 108282 in stock now.

DArBad
09-21-2011, 9:15 AM
The E-series are starting to come out. We just sold our first batch. We have a SS 108282 in stock now.

Thanks, PolishMike.

Are those actually new or NOS (new old stock)??

BigFatGuy
09-21-2011, 9:19 AM
Wait... you're in California... are the E series on the roster finally?

I've been looking for a way to get my hands on an E series Tac Rail, but it's off roster and the shops I've talked too say their distributors are out of stock anyway...

DArBad
09-21-2011, 9:31 AM
Wait... you're in California... are the E series on the roster finally?

I've been looking for a way to get my hands on an E series Tac Rail, but it's off roster and the shops I've talked too say their distributors are out of stock anyway...

No, E series are not on the approved list, neither are the 108282. The 108282 USED to be on that list. Hence my question above to PolishMike if what they have is an NOS.:)

osxgp
09-21-2011, 7:25 PM
The problem with S&W 1911s is that there is a limited number on the CA approved list. I read the S&W is dropping all previous model 1911s (aside from the state approved models) and going with the E-series as their standard offering. And the only way to get the E-series is from a dealer who does the single shot conversion. :(

DArBad
09-22-2011, 11:31 AM
The problem with S&W 1911s is that there is a limited number on the CA approved list. I read the S&W is dropping all previous model 1911s (aside from the state approved models) and going with the E-series as their standard offering. And the only way to get the E-series is from a dealer who does the single shot conversion. :(

Thanks for that info, osxgp. That be the case, sounds like S&W just got fed up with all the beaureaucratic redtape of California. Another case of legislation-without-sense, yet no one has the guts to throw them out.

Oh well, I guess then that a new S&W is out for me.:(

03fatboy
09-22-2011, 11:54 AM
So does anyone know of a out of state understanding dealer that would do a single shot conversion?

PolishMike
09-22-2011, 12:11 PM
No, E series are not on the approved list, neither are the 108282. The 108282 USED to be on that list. Hence my question above to PolishMike if what they have is an NOS.:)

Its brand new. Single shot exempt

junkit_boy
09-22-2011, 12:47 PM
I saw some at the Stockade in Westminster and Fowlers in Orange

gadjeep
09-22-2011, 3:27 PM
City arms in pacifica most always had some. I have toyed with getting one if only because they (at least some of them) are built in my home state of Maine in their Houlton factory where they build most of the 22 semiautomatic line.

rgs1975
09-22-2011, 3:47 PM
Here's one. Not for sale, never will be...

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/3373/53913995.jpg

JTROKS
09-22-2011, 5:19 PM
The PC and DK 1911 I've looked at were phenomenal in the fit. I wish I can shoot one to see if they are tack drivers.

Bladeshark
09-25-2011, 3:35 PM
The E-series are starting to come out. We just sold our first batch. We have a SS 108282 in stock now.

How much is it selling for?

bombadillo
09-25-2011, 3:58 PM
Those performance center guns are awful nice even if they don't have the standard extractor which the purists hate. I like it because they're reliable, easy to clean the extractor, and fitment is unreal. They are every bit as nice as my custom and dan wesson PM7. I'd buy one if it came around at the right price, but nobody local stocks them.

rogervzv
09-25-2011, 4:02 PM
Turner's occasionally has a S&W 45 and the next time they do it is mine.

junkit_boy
09-25-2011, 4:42 PM
The Stockade has tons of S&W 1911. Same with Fowlers.. was just there today

Inkman
09-25-2011, 7:16 PM
Those performance center guns are awful nice even if they don't have the standard extractor which the purists hate. I like it because they're reliable, easy to clean the extractor, and fitment is unreal. They are every bit as nice as my custom and dan wesson PM7. I'd buy one if it came around at the right price, but nobody local stocks them.

Well stated.

Al