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SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 12:03 AM
Hi Calgunners,
I am in the market for an AK and I really want one with wood furniture, however the options seem to be slim here in local gunshops (or at least the ones I have been to in the Huntington/Fountain Valley/ Costa Mesa area). WASR seem to be the most common variant (which I am not opposed to getting) however I am wanting to consider other options. Does anyone know of a retailer who sells converted Saiga's in Orange County? Something I have considered doing is buying one and getting a wood kit to put on myself. Right now I do not have the space or tools to do the conversion myself otherwise I would. If the idea of buying a converted Saiga is even an option, does anyone have any experience with particular brands or distributors which make wood sets which will fit converted Saigas? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Cali-Shooter
09-20-2011, 12:20 AM
Calguns private firearms marketplace is your friend. One just might pop up. I own 2 converted Saiga AK-47's and 1 Saiga AK-74, but not for sale. If you don't want to convert a Saiga yourself, Arsenal brand is your best bet.

NorCalK9.com
09-20-2011, 1:40 AM
Calguns private firearms marketplace is your friend. One just might pop up. I own 2 converted Saiga AK-47's and 1 Saiga AK-74, but not for sale. If you don't want to convert a Saiga yourself, Arsenal brand is your best bet.

First off screw arsenal.
Second saigas are good to go. Restain the wood and they look great.
Third saiga conversion is good. I just finished my saiga 308 16in barrel and its awesome.
Fourth buy an ak kit go to the gunsmithing section and attend a build party thats the best bet in my opinion.
Good luck.

richzmn
09-20-2011, 2:30 AM
Since you don't want to do a conversion.

buy an Arsenal at rifle gear in fountain valley
http://www.riflegear.com/p-926-arsenal-sgl21-saiga-762x39-rifle.aspx

buy some wood here:
http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html

buy some stain from HD and stain it any color you want, then sell the plastic furniture here on calguns

Anchors
09-20-2011, 2:36 AM
Since you don't want to do a conversion.

buy an Arsenal at rifle gear in fountain valley
http://www.riflegear.com/p-926-arsenal-sgl21-saiga-762x39-rifle.aspx

buy some wood here:
http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html

buy some stain from HD and stain it any color you want, then sell the plastic furniture here on calguns

:iagree:
For Saigas/Arsenals, you really can't beat RifleGear for price and customer service.
For after market furniture, go look at Ironwood's pictures and you'll see how awesome it is.

Good luck and once you get it put together, come back and throw some pictures up!

SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 2:28 PM
Upon further thinking this over, I am starting to lean more towards buying a Saiga and doing the conversion myself. I like doing things myself, building things, and this would be a fun project I think. If I do go this way though, I will just have to wait 10 weeks more or less before I can actually do the conversion as I will be in school till the winter and traveling a lot for grad school interviews. I can certainly still use the Saiga as is, and convert it when I can, I mean... it still an "ak". Ah I'm going to think it over more and whenever I do decide, I'll be sure to post a picture of the finished product.
Again, I appreciate your help.

Cali-Shooter
09-20-2011, 3:50 PM
First off screw arsenal.
Second saigas are good to go. Restain the wood and they look great.
Third saiga conversion is good. I just finished my saiga 308 16in barrel and its awesome.
Fourth buy an ak kit go to the gunsmithing section and attend a build party thats the best bet in my opinion.
Good luck.

I'm not defending the company Arsenal, nor advocating their brand. I simply like the rifles they turn out, although the company has a terrible attitude.

I'm glad I got all my Saiga Ak's via private party so it wasn't my dollars that went to them.

SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 5:37 PM
Since you don't want to do a conversion.

buy an Arsenal at rifle gear in fountain valley
http://www.riflegear.com/p-926-arsenal-sgl21-saiga-762x39-rifle.aspx

buy some wood here:
http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html

buy some stain from HD and stain it any color you want, then sell the plastic furniture here on calguns


Those really are some sweet lookin pieces. Great recommendation. I'll be getting some of those for sure

Shooter88
09-20-2011, 7:11 PM
I just did my first conversion about a month ago in my living room on a card table. I was nervous about it since I had never done it before but I went ahead and did it anyways and it was not bad at all. It only took me a few hours to do, but I imagine someone who has done it multiple times could get it done in half the time. Just make sure you have all the right tools and you'll be good to go. There are a lot of good tutorials out there that take you step by step through it.

SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 7:29 PM
I definitely am a bit nervous about doing the conversion which was part of the initial hesitation in doing it myself. I'm pretty handy, but still... drilling into a perfectly good rifle is something I haven't done before so it'll make for an interesting time. Earlier today I watched a video which I think was really well done. (link below). It made me feel much better about doing it myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waj8aLz-xY4

2600fromAtari
09-20-2011, 7:55 PM
Very nice wood for whatever option you decide on and the cheapest I've ever found:

https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_79/products_id/1208

The only problem is that since it's not American, you'll have to come up with more American parts for 922r compliance. What it'll look like with a little sanding and boiled linseed oil:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9315/img0604n.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/img0604n.jpg/)

Shooter88
09-20-2011, 8:46 PM
I definitely am a bit nervous about doing the conversion which was part of the initial hesitation in doing it myself. I'm pretty handy, but still... drilling into a perfectly good rifle is something I haven't done before so it'll make for an interesting time. Earlier today I watched a video which I think was really well done. (link below). It made me feel much better about doing it myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waj8aLz-xY4

I had the same thoughts. I had never drilled into a rifle and it made me nervous. But when you think about it, your not actually drilling into the rifle itself. All your doing it drilling out pins that you will not reuse. Believe me, its not hard. Just take your time (some of it can be time consuming) and use the correct tools and it'll be fine.

Bigtwin
09-20-2011, 8:47 PM
Try this vid for help on doing the conversion.
http://vimeo.com/2787027

Watch it a few times first. It has far better lighting than any of the "youtube" vids and pretty strait forward. No sound, not required though.
If you are a man of detail you can find all you need from this vid.

Hope it helps you!

NorCalK9.com
09-20-2011, 8:51 PM
I'm not defending the company Arsenal, nor advocating their brand. I simply like the rifles they turn out, although the company has a terrible attitude.

I'm glad I got all my Saiga Ak's via private party so it wasn't my dollars that went to them.

Im not mad at people that buy arsenals. Ive seen em and I think they look cool but if someone gonna pay that much money they can do the work themselves and put on nicer furniture than all that plastic.
I converted my saiga 308 a couple weeks ago and it is bad@ss.
Im personally probably about to reweld a m70 milled underfolder.

richzmn
09-20-2011, 9:35 PM
If you want to use wood, then you need to convert the front end also!

Do you want a slant brake or a compensator?

Bullet guide?

SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 10:07 PM
If you want to use wood, then you need to convert the front end also!

Do you want a slant brake or a compensator?

Bullet guide?


To convert the front end to accept wood handguards I think that I can buy the following two parts:

http://dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/akbor1.html

http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/akgt1.html

Would this do the trick? I do not have the heavy machinery to take the barrel off and all that, so I think this might be my best option...

As for your mention of slant brake or compensator, I didn't know I would have to alter what is already on the Saiga. Is this easy to do? I would choose a slant brake if I had to alter it.

Regarding the bullet guide, I see options for flat and round trunions... which one will I need/should I get? (Sorry, I am very new to this).

zfields
09-20-2011, 10:27 PM
To convert the front end to accept wood handguards I think that I can buy the following two parts:

http://dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/akbor1.html

http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/akgt1.html

Would this do the trick? I do not have the heavy machinery to take the barrel off and all that, so I think this might be my best option...

As for your mention of slant brake or compensator, I didn't know I would have to alter what is already on the Saiga. Is this easy to do? I would choose a slant brake if I had to alter it.Slant brakes do litterly nothing, if you want one that actually helps, and is somewhat traditional, AK 74 style

Regarding the bullet guide, I see options for flat and round trunions... which one will I need/should I get? (Sorry, I am very new to this). Well, it matters if you have a flat or round trunion on the rifle : ) Gotta wait till you see it to know!

...

SurfRider19
09-20-2011, 10:45 PM
Hahaha, as soon as I posted I thought to myself, that maybe every one is different and I would have to wait and see what I get till I order the parts. Should have waited a little while after writing up my post before sending it in. Just very excited and eager to learn! Thanks so much for your guidance!

Just a general statement: I have been very happy with the amount of information and support shared by members. The people I have come across on here are very helpful and friendly, and accepting of newbies like myself.
Thanks again!

Anchors
09-21-2011, 1:15 AM
Upon further thinking this over, I am starting to lean more towards buying a Saiga and doing the conversion myself. I like doing things myself, building things, and this would be a fun project I think. If I do go this way though, I will just have to wait 10 weeks more or less before I can actually do the conversion as I will be in school till the winter and traveling a lot for grad school interviews. I can certainly still use the Saiga as is, and convert it when I can, I mean... it still an "ak". Ah I'm going to think it over more and whenever I do decide, I'll be sure to post a picture of the finished product.
Again, I appreciate your help.

I can totally understand the enjoyment of doing things yourself with your hands...RifleGear has you covered on the basic Saiga too ;)
http://www.riflegear.com/p-803-saiga-rifle-762x39.aspx
Let us know how the conversion turns out!

Off-topic: Good luck on grad school interviews!

Bwang
09-22-2011, 1:18 AM
Hey Surfrider, I've got a converted Saiga 7.62 I'm interested in selling, if you are still interested in buying. I am flexible on the price and willing to settle on whatever is reasonable.

It started right after obama got elected as a stock saiga 16" 7.62 carbine from The Penhall brothers of OC armory. they are awesome. I bought it a peak season which was dumb... for $750 plus taxes and fees. Now new, worth more like $400.
Dinzag supplied all of my conversion parts, so it has tapco stock, pistol grip, and fire control parts. The trigger parts came honed from dinzag, and the trigger pull is awesome. It has a dinzag feed ramp, midwest industries rail, tapco AFG2, rail covers, and threaded muzzle for a PWC flash hiding compensator, and to top it off Solar tactical kydex wrap ...haha. Silly california law makers call this thing "featureless".

I love the thing, but I may be moving to norcal soon, so I want to travel light. Anywhoo, the offers open if you're interested. Brian 408 892 5460. Oh, and like 8 rebuild kits, plus half a case of ammo goes with.