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runway1
09-19-2011, 3:05 PM
Can't find much consensus on powder for 9mm luger. I'll be reloading for 115/124gr target training. What powder do you folks use for accuracy?

Thanks all!

XDRoX
09-19-2011, 3:20 PM
My favorite powder is WST. 231 is also good. Of course the most popular is probably TiteGroup. But don't load TG unless you are experienced.

socal44
09-19-2011, 3:27 PM
But don't load TG unless you are experienced

Do explain:confused:

runway1
09-19-2011, 3:29 PM
Do explain:confused:

Yes, please do...:)

Ukiahgunnut
09-19-2011, 3:30 PM
I have been using W 231 for years and just started using AA No. 5. I am happy with both.

UGN

Bill Steele
09-19-2011, 3:43 PM
If you want the best powder for 9mm, use VV-3N37.

The only negative is it costs more than most other options, the best always does.

XDRoX
09-19-2011, 4:27 PM
Do explain:confused:

Yes, please do...:)

TG is uber fast burning and very low volume. It's extremely consistent burn makes it ideal for target shooting.

The problem with uber fast / low volume powders is that they can easily be accidentally double loaded. And a double load with such a fast powder will cause a kaboom.

The vast majority of kabooms are loaded with TG. Not only because it's so popular, but because of the inherent dangers that come with uber fast / low volume powders. Add into this equation that most competition shooters like heavy bullets because you can load them to such low recoils and then your recipe for disaster is complete.

Don't get me wrong, obviously many of us load with TG and never have a problem, but it only takes one mistake to ruin your day.

For newbs it's obviously safer to stick with medium burning powders with high volume. Mistakes will be more forgivable and more easily noticeable.

But if someone I know just starts reloading and asks me what powder I think they should use, I never say TG.

XDRoX
09-19-2011, 4:30 PM
If you want the best powder for 9mm, use VV-3N37.

The only negative is it costs more than most other options, the best always does.

Damn Bill, every time you mention VV it reminds me that I haven't tried it yet:(

I'll get it in me next online order.

Waldog
09-19-2011, 5:44 PM
HP-38/WIN 231 Is the go to powder for 9mm, 40S&W, 45ACP, 38 Spl, 357 Mag.

It's not PERFECT for everything (specifically 357Mag) but, it is VERY GOOD for most pistol loads.

bruceflinch
09-19-2011, 6:13 PM
W2321 & Unique are my go-to pistol powders.

fabguy
09-19-2011, 6:22 PM
HS6

bcrich
09-19-2011, 6:25 PM
I use Ramshot True blue for 9mm 40cal 45acp and 5.7x28 it is probably not the most accurate but it is accurate enough for me and the pistol matches I shoot them with. I was glad to find just one powder to load with!

Bill Steele
09-19-2011, 6:34 PM
Damn Bill, every time you mention VV it reminds me that I haven't tried it yet:(

I'll get it in me next online order.

I know you will like it Chris.

One downside is for most loads in 9 it fills the case pretty full, guys with an auto indexing progressive that has any snap in it may get some spilling.

Your 550 will be perfect for it. ;)

Clownpuncher
09-19-2011, 6:35 PM
I've had very good luck with Unique

XDRoX
09-19-2011, 6:50 PM
I know you will like it Chris.

One downside is for most loads in 9 it fills the case pretty full, guys with an auto indexing progressive that has any snap in it may get some spilling.

Your 550 will be perfect for it. ;)

Yep, one of the little reasons I like the 550. And I love high volume powders.

I'm actually considering buying a 650 next month for my birthday. It would strictly be for 9mm. I have no time these days for loading and would love to be able to turn out 700 rounds in an hour.

I'm just trying to justify the $990 for something I don't really need.

Of course the 550 will remain on the bench.

mjmagee67
09-19-2011, 7:04 PM
I have great luck with 5.6gr Power Pistol under a 115gr booolit. Really see no reason to change.

sequoia_nomad
09-19-2011, 7:12 PM
I like Universal and HP-38, which is identical to 231.

Cheep
09-19-2011, 8:25 PM
Unique is a go to powder, W321/HP-38, WST, Bullseye, even RedDot will work.

epcii
09-19-2011, 10:14 PM
I like Red Dot for .45, haven't tried it in 9mm yet, but I look forward to doing so.

Southpaw45
09-19-2011, 11:28 PM
Power Pistol and Bullseye is what I like.... Yes PP does flash..

ireload
09-20-2011, 6:39 AM
I use Unique. With my 92FS topped with Honardy 115gr. XTP I get good accuracy. Unique is my go to powder for all of my handgun loads. It use to be W231 back in the days.

Briancnelson
09-20-2011, 7:37 AM
I like Universal and HP-38, which is identical to 231.

+1 on both of these.

runway1
09-20-2011, 9:01 AM
From what I count; WST231/HP-38 and Unique are the top two so far.

Power Pistol and Universal tied for third.

Any other "voters"?

hkdad
09-20-2011, 9:05 AM
universal clays for me. clean and soft shooting powder

Homebrew2
09-20-2011, 9:14 AM
Bullseye. 3.8 under 124's. Sigma, P95.

bohoki
09-20-2011, 10:34 AM
i too use bullsyeye

short circuit
09-20-2011, 11:44 AM
Universal Clays, and Win231 are my choices with Unique third.

short circuit
09-20-2011, 11:45 AM
Universal Clays, and Win231 are my choices with Unique third.

runway1
09-20-2011, 12:39 PM
Last tally:

**WST231/HP-38 still in front by a nose
**Universal has leaped into second
**Bullseye & Unique tie for third

CALI SHOT DOC
09-20-2011, 12:54 PM
started with TG but switched to 231 and am really happy with it

XDRoX
09-20-2011, 1:21 PM
Last tally:

**WST231/HP-38 still in front by a nose
**Universal has leaped into second
**Bullseye & Unique tie for third

WST and 231 are different powders :confused:

gau17
09-20-2011, 2:15 PM
VV N320 / with 124 gr HP from Montana Gold. Super accurate in my Glocks and Sigs.

Clean burning.

bh6300
09-20-2011, 3:24 PM
Win231 here for .45 and unique for 9 mm... Thinking about going all win231 for both caliber...

NotEnufGarage
09-20-2011, 3:33 PM
Bullseye..

jimmykan
09-20-2011, 3:51 PM
I use Titegroup, although I have noticed that it has a tendency to settle/compact during high volume loading.

I tap on the the powder reservoir a bunch of times to pre-settle it as much as possible, but from a Dillon powder measure the initial charge weight of 4.2 grains gradually drifts to 4.4 grains over the loading of about 100-200 rounds.

But it stabilizes at 4.4 grains for up to the ~1500 rounds that I loaded that session.

runway1
09-20-2011, 7:23 PM
WST and 231 are different powders :confused:

....oops:eek: I misread the fist reply. My error. 231 is still up front - so to speak.

XDRoX
09-20-2011, 7:29 PM
....oops:eek: I misread the fist reply. My error. 231 is still up front - so to speak.

You can't go wrong with 231. During the components shortage a few years ago it was impossible to get. That's why I switched to WST. There's practically no published load data for 9mm so nobody was using it and it was easy to get.

dragon7
09-20-2011, 11:30 PM
WST especially if you shoot moly bullets. It performs like TG without the smoke.

ArmyMedicMoose
09-20-2011, 11:32 PM
I use Unique but its dirty

Got10/22?
09-21-2011, 9:54 AM
Ditto on the W231

4.2 - 4.6 9mm/124grn

surfinguru
09-21-2011, 3:55 PM
TG here...

racinginthestreets
09-21-2011, 10:49 PM
I load 9mm luger, 38 special and 45 ACP. I don't like to change powders because I only have one powder drop and also for fear that using different powders may be mistakenly mixed together. I use Winchester 231 exclusively. It's a ball powder and I find it to be very consistent in my powder drop and an excellent choice for the calibers listed above. I'm sure I'll try others in time, but for now it's W231.

noylj
09-22-2011, 12:13 AM
The most "universal" powders for the 9x19 in all bullets weights is Herco. Is was, for many decades the "best" general purpose 9x19 powder. No pressure spikes, filled the case, gave close to peak performance, and was almost always among the most accurate at the higher velocities.
IF you want max velocity, look to Blue Dot, Silhouette, AA7, and Power Pistol.
If you want a light target load, look to Bullseye, Red Dot, AA2, Zip, and WST.
If you are using a compensator, look to Silhouette, Power Pistol, True Blue, N340, HS6, AA7, or Auto Comp.
If you are shooting lead, look to N320, Bullseye, Red Dot, 231/HP38, Solo 1000, Silhouette, AA2, and AA5. TiteGroup isn't the best, in my experience.
IF you are into action pistol shooting where no smoke and a clean gun are more important than accuracy or charge volume, look to N320-N340.
If I could only have one powder to try and meet all those requirements, it would be N340. A hair slow for the really light bullets and just a hard fast for the really heavy bullets, but a well-balance powder that meets the clean burn, low smoke, and clean gun requirements that so many put ahead of group size on target.

GeoffLinder
09-22-2011, 9:21 AM
WW231
HS6
AA5

richrmi
09-22-2011, 10:46 PM
VV330 - very soft shooting, clean burning, lowest SD, harder to get locally, more expensive
Power Pistol -good for loads on the hotter end of the spectrum, higher SD, also works well with heavier bullets
Universal - moderate SD for nominally charged loads, clean, medium burn rate suitable for a wide range of calibers, inexpensive, good for the higher end loads
TiteGroup - low SD, >1,600 rounds per pound, inexpensive, quick burn, fairly clean, suitable for many other calibers

All work very well for 9mm with CCI 500 primers. After 2 years of experimenting with various powders and primers, and lots of chronograph work, my go to powder for target practice and action shooting is Titegroup using a 124 grain bullet, round nose or flat point. Standard velocity (1100 FPS, G17) or slightly below depending on charge but will easily knock down steel. No powder puff loads.

Titegroup is very economical (low volume and inexpensive), is readily available locally and has yielded consistent, single-digit standard deviation numbers no matter what platform was used. I've loaded and fired several thousand rounds downrange with excellent results, IDPA, GSSF, practice days, etc. All rounds loaded on a single stage press.

I'm certain that any of the suitable VV powders would meet your needs. The Titegroup burns quickly and seems to allow much faster, more more easily placed follow on shots. Less continued muzzle blast perhaps? I would consider the other, medium burn rate, powders if used for a hunting application.

Good luck,
Rich

runway1
09-28-2011, 8:22 PM
The most "universal" powders for the 9x19 in all bullets weights is Herco. Is was, for many decades the "best" general purpose 9x19 powder. No pressure spikes, filled the case, gave close to peak performance, and was almost always among the most accurate at the higher velocities.
IF you want max velocity, look to Blue Dot, Silhouette, AA7, and Power Pistol.
If you want a light target load, look to Bullseye, Red Dot, AA2, Zip, and WST.
If you are using a compensator, look to Silhouette, Power Pistol, True Blue, N340, HS6, AA7, or Auto Comp.
If you are shooting lead, look to N320, Bullseye, Red Dot, 231/HP38, Solo 1000, Silhouette, AA2, and AA5. TiteGroup isn't the best, in my experience.
IF you are into action pistol shooting where no smoke and a clean gun are more important than accuracy or charge volume, look to N320-N340.
If I could only have one powder to try and meet all those requirements, it would be N340. A hair slow for the really light bullets and just a hard fast for the really heavy bullets, but a well-balance powder that meets the clean burn, low smoke, and clean gun requirements that so many put ahead of group size on target.

VV330 - very soft shooting, clean burning, lowest SD, harder to get locally, more expensive
Power Pistol -good for loads on the hotter end of the spectrum, higher SD, also works well with heavier bullets
Universal - moderate SD for nominally charged loads, clean, medium burn rate suitable for a wide range of calibers, inexpensive, good for the higher end loads
TiteGroup - low SD, >1,600 rounds per pound, inexpensive, quick burn, fairly clean, suitable for many other calibers

All work very well for 9mm with CCI 500 primers. After 2 years of experimenting with various powders and primers, and lots of chronograph work, my go to powder for target practice and action shooting is Titegroup using a 124 grain bullet, round nose or flat point. Standard velocity (1100 FPS, G17) or slightly below depending on charge but will easily knock down steel. No powder puff loads.

Titegroup is very economical (low volume and inexpensive), is readily available locally and has yielded consistent, single-digit standard deviation numbers no matter what platform was used. I've loaded and fired several thousand rounds downrange with excellent results, IDPA, GSSF, practice days, etc. All rounds loaded on a single stage press.

I'm certain that any of the suitable VV powders would meet your needs. The Titegroup burns quickly and seems to allow much faster, more more easily placed follow on shots. Less continued muzzle blast perhaps? I would consider the other, medium burn rate, powders if used for a hunting application.

Good luck,
Rich

Darn good info. Before I read anything into these; I want to develope solid marksmanship skills for AFROTC Pistol Marksmanship badge with an M9. Which should I reload/practice with?

sammy
09-29-2011, 5:30 PM
For the last year or so I have been working on load development for 9mm. 9mm has been a challenge. .45acp and 10mm were easy to find consistent, accurate loads for. Keep in mind I am never going over the max load data but like to load them kind of warm.

9mm on the other hand is all over the place.

Bullets I have used are:
Montana Gold 124g. HP
Zero 115g. ball
Zero 124g. ball
Zero 124g. HP
Remington Golden Saber 124g. HP
122g. FN LSWC
147g. LSWC

Powders used are:
Universal Clays (inaccurate, flattened and leaking primers)
231 inaccurate, very soft shooting even at max
Unique very dirty but fairly accurate
HS-6 is fairly good but jams up the priming system due to the dense small type of powder. Great velocity but pressure seems a bit high at close to max loads. Yes I have tried the bearing on the shell plate which helped but does not index 100% of the time.

Now Power Pistol has been the answer to all the bullets I have been using. Very consistent, meters well, cheap and gives great velocity. I have not found an inaccurate load with this powder. My best groups come from the 124g. Golden Sabers and 124g. Zero HP's. 4.5g. of Power Pistol under a 147g. LSWC is my bulk cheap and accurate load for my Glock (KKM barrel)

From now on this is the only powder I am using for 9mm. It was a headache but worth the effort.

runway1
09-30-2011, 8:11 AM
Thanks! Great input.