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mossy
09-18-2011, 10:47 AM
in a month a friend is buying my AR, and i was going to get a AK-74 but the five seven is calling me. should i get it? the ammo can only be found on the net, its not cheap to feed and it is really fugly but for some reason i want one.

Maddog5150
09-18-2011, 11:07 AM
creeeeepy

Massan
09-18-2011, 11:12 AM
To each their own. Most 5.7 owners I know love it despite the caveats you mentioned. The ammo price is on par with .45 so not overly expensive like some people claim but don't expect to find special deals.

Colt-45
09-18-2011, 11:18 AM
I sold mine a year ago and don't miss it at all. The FNH5-7 was built around the SS190 black tip cartridge. The armor penetrating cartridge is not available to civilians. Because of this, I'll pass.

Buy yourself a nice 1911 instead.

Original Phantom
09-18-2011, 11:19 AM
Yes.

Press Check
09-18-2011, 11:48 AM
Nope, not crazy at all. Great looking pistol, but the oddball ammo has kept me at bay.

Bryansix
09-18-2011, 12:18 PM
Get it and then report back on how awesome it is.

1 SIG fan
09-18-2011, 12:21 PM
I LOVE mine. One of my favorite shooters and rounds.

starsnuffer
09-18-2011, 12:21 PM
Not crazy.

If its your first or only handgun, then yeah, crazy, but if you already have something useful and want something exotic or different, it's a good, affordable choice.

-W

BigfootHunter
09-18-2011, 12:31 PM
NO way man! It's on Sons of Anarchy now, that must mean it's legit (just like the Sig 551's they have now). Nothing punctures a Russian like the 5.7 /sarcasm

Also, zfields - don't drag the iPhone into this, that guys clearly a douche all by himself.

Now for the serious response: Yeah, sort of. You have all the drawbacks of a small round with the biggest plus of the 57 taken away - the black tips and regular capacity (at least in CA). I considered getting a PS90 and if I did I would say it might have made a little more sense, but CA makes those semi useless as well (10 rounders again) along with the fauxpressor you have to put on the PS90 to make the OAL requirement. Even if you go the route of an AR57 instead (cheaper by a long shot than the PS90 and uses the same lo-cap magazines) its still sort of a conversation piece more than a serious pistol. I'm not sure what else you have but if you are looking for a first or only pistol, maybe look at a better "standard" platform 1911, CZ75, XD (they've got a good deal on the 9 or 40 at Turners right now - see another post on the front page of this forum), one of the other FN pistols in a standard caliber or a Glock before going with the 57. My $0.02

Cali-Shooter
09-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Not crazy.

If its your first or only handgun, then yeah, crazy, but if you already have something useful and want something exotic or different, it's a good, affordable choice.

-W

+1 to that, there are several seasoned gun-owners here that recommend not to get a Five Seven if it's your first handgun. I would personally say, for a first handgun, get a 9mm or .40, and then get something exotic like the 5.7 if you desire.

Oceanbob
09-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Not crazy.

If its your first or only handgun, then yeah, crazy, but if you already have something useful and want something exotic or different, it's a good, affordable choice.

-W

THIS^^^

The ammo is everywhere really. Online as well as in gun stores.

Neat weapon if you want something different.

Be well, Bob

Matt P
09-18-2011, 1:03 PM
Don't purchase this handgun if you are new to firearms?

Lets see,
-Light recoil so more control
-Full sized frame, easy to grip and get your body on the frame
-Single action in a polymer frame
-Very lightweight fully loaded
Ammo considerations..Elite Ammo (http://www.eliteammunition.net/catalog/item/7385614/7701253.htm)

I own one, and it has been my primary carry since it first was allowed in CA. I also have the other usual handguns, but prefer my 5.7 due to exceptional light weight in a full sized handgun, light recoil very controllable cartridge.
It could easily be someones first handgun.
This gun and many others are what makes firearm ownership so easy to be distracted and or excited about GUNS!
Its variety.
They all basically operate the same, and thankfully not all look the same.

This firearm guy says get it, and get two. Because one is none, and two is one....hehe

BigfootHunter
09-18-2011, 1:09 PM
^Yes, but was it your first pistol?

Snooky
09-18-2011, 1:18 PM
You're crazy.

Matt P
09-18-2011, 1:22 PM
I was involved in firearms before this one was available.

Also understand there are many choices to be made, the 5.7 is not the worst, nor the best. It is a choice.
I have one and enjoy it.

axhoaxho
09-18-2011, 1:28 PM
Not crazy at all if you wouldn't mind the price.

The Five-seveN is a very nice pistol with a lot of technology/philosophy/design behind it, same as the 5.7x28mm rounds.

The practice rounds (e.g. SS197SR) are not that expensive, around $200-ish for 500 rounds. As for self-defense rounds, one can always look into Elite Ammunition, it has some very nice offers.

Regards,

jammer2k
09-18-2011, 1:29 PM
Not crazy at all, a very fun firearm to own. As has been stated above the ammo is a bit pricey but beyond that nothing else to complain about.

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
09-18-2011, 1:38 PM
just get it and have fun with it, it will be a good conversation about it at your shooting range.

scarville
09-18-2011, 2:05 PM
If you want a FiveSeveN, then buy one. This is still America. Mostly...

luckygunner
09-18-2011, 2:43 PM
+1 starsnuffer

I wouldn't say it's a bad purchase. I do think the platform is a bit hampered by the CA magazine capacity. With only 10 rounds the selling point for me is lost. With the 20 or 30 round magazines the 5.7 is a better defensive option.

The ammo prices are similar to 45 acp. If it seems expensive a 9mm might be a better option.

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Cuerno_de_Chivo
09-18-2011, 3:13 PM
No your not, and i'm with you, I want one too! There are several obstacles that don't allow me to own one though.

1. I'm not at legal age yet
2. It's pretty expensive
3. It's a lot of money
4. I am broke
5. It costs around 10 Benjamins

But i WANT one so bad too!

InGrAM
09-18-2011, 5:54 PM
Well, it is a pretty cool gun. My Brother wanted one, until he found out how much they run for. Not so good of a deal, IMHO. I would rather buy a good 1911, any day.

But here is some porn for ya.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2885/fnfiveseven.jpg (http://imageshack.us//my-images/829/fnfiveseven.jpg/)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7278/48708989.gif (http://imageshack.us//my-images/204/48708989.gif/)

Mercureality
09-18-2011, 6:08 PM
in a month a friend is buying my AR, and i was going to get a AK-74 but the five seven is calling me. should i get it? the ammo can only be found on the net, its not cheap to feed and it is really fugly but for some reason i want one.

Yeah, you're crazy. Maybe if you lived in a state where you could take advantage of the magazine capacity, it would be worthwhile.

Or maybe you're not. It's your money, and people buy things far more ridiculous and useless than handguns all the time. If it'll make you happy, then buy it.

Cali-Shooter
09-18-2011, 6:29 PM
Well, it is a pretty cool gun. My Brother wanted one, until he found out how much they run for. Not so good of a deal, IMHO. I would rather buy a good 1911, any day.

But here is some porn for ya.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2885/fnfiveseven.jpg (http://imageshack.us//my-images/829/fnfiveseven.jpg/)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7278/48708989.gif (http://imageshack.us//my-images/204/48708989.gif/)

More attractive if you live in a free state, ehhh, here, not so much. But don't get me wrong that I'm glad you can get them here though, like someone said, I want one just because the Brady's hate them so much. :)

Cuerno_de_Chivo
09-18-2011, 6:38 PM
More attractive if you live in a free state, ehhh, here, not so much. But don't get me wrong that I'm glad you can get them here though, like someone said, I want one just because the Brady's hate them so much. :)

Yea, kind of like an AK. To me, an AK is an AK when it has the fun switch on it. But i'm glad to be able to at least have one in Semi. Even with it being neutered, better than nothing!

osxgp
09-18-2011, 6:49 PM
I sold mine a year ago and don't miss it at all. The FNH5-7 was built around the SS190 black tip cartridge. The armor penetrating cartridge is not available to civilians. Because of this, I'll pass.

Buy yourself a nice 1911 instead.

Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol

Z.1
09-18-2011, 7:09 PM
I say go for it. If you want it, you want it. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

It's not at the top of my list right now, but I think it's an interesting round...

Z.1
09-18-2011, 7:10 PM
Dupe.

scarville
09-18-2011, 7:22 PM
Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol
Criminals have been wearing body armor for years. It is therefore reasonable that their potential victims have the means to defeat it.

Cali-Shooter
09-18-2011, 7:23 PM
Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol

I think the reason falls squarely within the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Cato
09-18-2011, 7:31 PM
It has it's merits: most of those being out of state. lol

It would be really cool to have 21 rounds of armor piercing bullets. The low recoil is really attractive, too.

Z.1
09-18-2011, 7:40 PM
Given the legislation currently in the works, maybe "armor piercing" shouldn't be the preferred nomenclature?

osxgp
09-18-2011, 9:34 PM
Criminals have been wearing body armor for years. It is therefore reasonable that their potential victims have the means to defeat it.

Body armor doesnt stop a person from receiving severe internal damage. Officers have died from trauma even if the bullet doesn't penetrate the armor. The impact alone can be fatal without the bullet even touching the skin. I agree that we should be able to own what we want according to the 2nd amendment, but in a realistic scenerio for the average civilian; I dont see the purpose of having armor piercing rounds. It will punch in and out with very little expansion and that most likely wouldnt stop a criminal. Especially if using a Five-seven round. Either way, its only an opinion. Back on topic. I wouldn't mind owning a FN Five-Seven though. I like the way they look.

Steve1968LS2
09-18-2011, 9:47 PM
I love how mine shoots.. very accurate and almost no recoil..

Ugly? Yea, not a fashion show though.. besides, what evil gun collection could be complete without one.. lol

InGrAM
09-18-2011, 9:47 PM
Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol

Another, "I don't think we should be allowed to have that, this, whatever it is, because I don't think it is necessary." person.

It is not a "need" it is a want. :facepalm:

osxgp
09-18-2011, 10:08 PM
Another, "I don't think we should be allowed to have that, this, whatever it is, because I don't think it is necessary." person.

It is not a "need" it is a want. :facepalm:

You would make a great politician because you lack any intelligence beyond what you've been told. I asked a question. Never once said because I don't see the need, therefore no one should have it. That is your assumption and you are free to assume what you want. This is America. In turn, I have the right to tell you that your assumption shows how ignorant you really are.

NorCal1911Fan
09-18-2011, 10:31 PM
I bought one when they first came out. I enjoyed it for its novelty and when I moved to Washington bought the standard 20 round magazines for it. I found I preferred shooting the sigs I owned and the 1911 more than this gun and sold it before moving back to California. I have never missed the gun; however, I would not be against owning another.

Deadon
09-18-2011, 10:42 PM
I sold mine and Im now paying the price of buying a new one. I miss the gun and got caught up in bigger rounds.

ivanimal
09-18-2011, 10:55 PM
I really like mine but would not have it for a primary weapon look at a 1911 or a CZ for that. Heck I would grab a Glock out of the safe before this one. It is cool and fun but unpractical for any real world uses. Ammo is too hard to reload.

Levetti
09-18-2011, 11:06 PM
It is fugly, but if you want one get it...I always felt it was a pointless round unless you had the blacktips or a rifle/carbine in 57 also.

woods
09-18-2011, 11:13 PM
A fiveseven is a must have. They are very fun and its easy to get ammo now. By far my best handgun yet. Highly accurate too.
17$/50rd but I reload to save cash.

InGrAM
09-18-2011, 11:14 PM
You would make a great politician because you lack any intelligence beyond what you've been told. I asked a question. Never once said because I don't see the need, therefore no one should have it. That is your assumption and you are free to assume what you want. This is America. In turn, I have the right to tell you that your assumption shows how ignorant you really are.

Lol. Ok, go to name calling, child. You just proved my point. From your posts, specifically #27 and #34. Your ignorance is amusing. Why does anyone "need" to have a reason to want to buy armor piercing ammo? You asked for a reason to have armor piercing ammo, therefor you sounded very much like the anti's.

JoeinLA
09-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Everyone talks about how bullet size doesn't matter and it's all shot placement. If that's true, it would seem like the 5.7x28 round would be a winner?

Low recoil, high FPS, high capacity (in theory), low weight... I'm definitely no pro or "operator", but, at least conceptually, it would seem like the FiveSeven would be a great firearm for self/home defense? Just being able to carry 1,000 rounds of 5.7x28 for the same weight of 200 rounds of 45 seems like a pretty big plus to me...?

I really wonder why it hasn't caught on more... Though I did hold one in my hands and I thought the trigger reach might be too "long" for me and my small hands (not sure if that's a design issue, or inherent due to the cartridge's parameters).

InGrAM
09-18-2011, 11:24 PM
Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol

You don't see anything wrong with that question? Why does anyone "need a reason" to buy ammo?

If you were joking when asking that question than I can understand.

battleship
09-18-2011, 11:38 PM
You will be crazy if you go and buy one new at the above asking price of $1100 + tax

You can find them here for next to new condition for as low as $800.

They are always coming up for sale, i figure some owners just grow bored of no recoil and end up with them sitting in there safe.

I would get one eventually but for no more than $800.

ivanimal
09-18-2011, 11:39 PM
A fiveseven is a must have. They are very fun and its easy to get ammo now. By far my best handgun yet. Highly accurate too.
17$/50rd but I reload to save cash.

Woods I am very interested in a good recipe for this round. The guys at the 5,7 forum just rubbed me the wrong way. I did not stay to take any of their advice. I have a custom shellplate for my 550B it needs to be used.:43:

Threadjack over.:chris:

Colt-45
09-19-2011, 1:26 AM
Is there a reason your wanting armor penetrating ammo? I would think that comment would make law enforcement folks a little nervous. lol

No particular reason for wanting armor piercing ammo it's just that the SS190 armor piercing cartridge is where this platform truly excels.

Don't get me wrong, if I had an excess of cash I would definitely get one of these again. This just isn't one of the guns I NEED TO HAVE ASAP:D. I'm sure you've had that feeling before with a particular gun.

I love how these sound when not wearing earplugs:43: but at the moment I have other priorities, 1911's being one of them. For the price of one of these, I can get a decent COLT.

zonzin
09-19-2011, 6:16 AM
Woods I am very interested in a good recipe for this round.


I think the assertion that the round is hard to reload is overblown. You just have to pay attention when powdering up the case. Double and triple check and you will be fine.

Here is my recipe and I am very pleased with the results.

Once fired brass trimmed to 1.137
40gr Sierra Varminter HP
Accurate #7, 7.4 gr
CCI 400 primers
OAL 1.575


There is a very noticeable difference between them and the factory SS197's.
My reloads feel more "robust" and the report is much more deep throated than the "crack" the 197's produce.

Try it, you'll like it. :)

Swift Justice
09-19-2011, 7:22 AM
You would be no more crazy than someone who wants to own a S&W .500 magnum.

ERdept
09-19-2011, 7:25 AM
Creepy.

Pass due the the ammo type not being available, as it was designed for.

Ammo expense.

Ammo rarity.

Odd handling characteristics.

Bad trigger.

Oceanbob
09-19-2011, 7:53 AM
I like the 5.7 because it is so lite weight. Under a pound and stuffed into a day-pack you don't feel it. It is certainly very accurate and fun to shoot.

Bob

Zesty
09-19-2011, 8:07 AM
I have a IOM and like it a lot. I won't rehash all the pros and cons you have all heard a million times. I do think it is a well-made gun, very reliable, no less or more inherently accurate than any other handgun I own, and obviously the uniqueness is a major selling point. I actually don't even feel the gun is overpriced for the $1K asking price. One thing I feel a bit disappointed on is the trigger. It is not horrible by any means, just not on the same level as the rest of the gun, IME. It may be improved on the newer USG models, I haven't shot any for myself. If anything about the gun screams "not worth a grand", it's the trigger. Like I said not really bad, just not up to par for a 4-figure pistol.

MrExel17
09-19-2011, 8:14 AM
Thats the buggest drawback ammo and the mag cap, would be way more attractive in a free state. I say pass it up and get the AK-74, but to each there own..Good Luck!

totus44
09-20-2011, 10:27 PM
The FN 57 USG is my next purchase. My primary is a Gen4 Glock 17, and I want something the wife can grab and go to town with if needed. We've test fired one and it's accurate with little recoil, especially after shooting the 9mm. Tight groups with rapid fire are easy to achieve at close to medium range. Ammo is readily available everywhere I've looked in San Diego. As for real world practical, just ask the poor folks from the tragic Fort Hood shooting, the 5.7x28mm can do a lot of damage. And while he had 20 & 30 round mags, Hasan had to have reloaded a minimum of 7 times (read the wiki for more details).

If you're crazy for wanting one, it seems from all the responses that you are in good company.