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TheExpertish
09-17-2011, 12:48 AM
Okay, so the choice is basically between the Glock 21 .45 ACP, and the Glock 37 .45 GAP. Help me choose which one wwill be the SHTF sidearm for the wife and me. They're Penn State PD trade-in's from Markl Supply (http://www.marklsupply.com/Used-Firearms_c_481.html) and the price is right. The cheap bastard in me wants to save $38/gun with the 37, but I like the 3 extra rounds the 21 holds. What say you?

jak77
09-17-2011, 12:53 AM
21 hands down. No question. The GAP is a failed round and .45ACP is way more abundant and popular. For SHTF you dont want a unique round. IMO YMMV

mag360
09-17-2011, 2:24 AM
glock 21 and g19. Just in case

BHPFan
09-17-2011, 3:49 AM
21 hands down. No question. The GAP is a failed round and .45ACP is way more abundant and popular. For SHTF you dont want a unique round. IMO YMMV

+1 on this

BHPFan
09-17-2011, 3:51 AM
glock 21 and g19. Just in case

or... G21 and G30. You can still use the same caliber and ammo plus the G30 will take G21 mags.

That being said, my favorite SHTF pistol is the G19.

Cali-Shooter
09-17-2011, 3:52 AM
You can't go wrong with the Glock 21.

BHPFan
09-17-2011, 3:53 AM
The cheap bastard in me wants to save $38/gun with the 37.

It will only save you $38 then, but what happens when you buy ammo?
Isn't .45 GAP more expensive and less available than .45 ACP?

dadoody
09-17-2011, 4:16 AM
hahahaha how is this even a discussion? 45gap???? good luck finding ammo lol

Red Devil
09-17-2011, 7:35 AM
Ad nauseam...

W/o ammo... a pistol is a rock.

CK_32
09-17-2011, 7:39 AM
45ACP all day.

some say GAP wont be around much longer anyways...

Oceanbob
09-17-2011, 7:39 AM
Is this a TRICK QUESTION..??...:eek:

Glock 21. The GAP is now considered a Third World Cartridge.
NEVER BUY THAT CALIBER.

The GLOCK 21 will do the job. You can run 13 rounders for SHTF as well.

Mine runs and runs. It's the perfect weapon for every situation. More knockdown power than 9; hi capacity magazines are available and it never jams. Put a good set of sites on her and she's ready.

As more money becomes available in the future.....

also as suggested by my fellow Cal Gunners above, also get a GLOCK 19 as a back-up. You can always find 9MM in every Country around the world and off every military unit you can find.

I may be a radical on this, but everyman who has a gun collection should have a GLOCK 19 (or 17) as a foundation; never sell it, never trade it, always have it for emergencies. These is a reason the GLOCK 17 and 19 are the most popular handguns all around the world. I saw them in Europe, Thailand and Central America. They are everywhere. Ammo is everywhere.
(9MM)

JMO....YMMV

But drop kick the GAP idea.....:)

Glock 21 will do my friend.

Be well, Bob

BHPFan
09-17-2011, 9:08 AM
also as suggested by my fellow Cal Gunners above, also get a GLOCK 19 as a back-up. You can always find 9MM in every Country around the world and off every military unit you can find.

I may be a radical on this, but everyman who has a gun collection should have a GLOCK 19 (or 17) as a foundation; never sell it, never trade it, always have it for emergencies. These is a reason the GLOCK 17 and 19 are the most popular handguns all around the world. I saw them in Europe, Thailand and Central America. They are everywhere. Ammo is everywhere.
(9MM)



Amen. I could not say it any better.

However, since the thread was either for a .45 ACP Glock or a .45 GAP Glock. I just kept it within the .45 ACP family (G21 and G30, which has similar size to the G19).

sekatoa
09-17-2011, 9:21 AM
I agree with 21, or 30, even a 36 over the GAP. I've had all. Despite all the GAP haters, there is nothing wrong with the cartridge in and of itself, and ammo will always be somewhat available.....somewhere, and probably at at a cost. The availiblty of .45. ACP will for the most part always better.

However, I will say that I found out somethingly surprising simply. In the 2007-2008 ammo shortage, I needed 500 rounds for a class. You know what I couldn't find anywhere? All the popular calibers, .45, 9mm, 38 SPL. But you know what I could get ( online)? .45 GAP. Simply supply and demand. However, that said, that isn't a typical SHTF scenario. I wouldn't count on ordering ammo online in a SHTF scenario, or even the near future in CA!

bsg
09-17-2011, 9:25 AM
i'd get the G21 because of it's .45 ACP caliber.

if the choice field is opened to other options in the Glock family... i'd cancel the G21 andi'd i'd get a G17 or G19; i'd want both. in addition... i'd want the G26 as well.

Oceanbob
09-17-2011, 9:28 AM
Amen. I could not say it any better.

However, since the thread was either for a .45 ACP Glock or a .45 GAP Glock. I just kept it within the .45 ACP family (G21 and G30, which has similar size to the G19).

I agree..!...the Glock 30 is a fantastic weapon and would be a good companion to the G21. :)

I am a firm believer that we should have several options in Caliber and Platforms for self defense, plinking, competition and poop-hit-the-fan.

Having a good collection is prudent in todays world. You never know when laws and rules will change. Owning a variety of handguns/Rifles is never a waste of money. If you take care of your weapons, the value will always be there. (and more fun than most hobbies)

The same idea applies to Ammunition. I consider ammunition as good as GOLD in a future world. It only takes one session of Congress for various ammo bans to change our ability to own, purchase and import (from online vendors) ammunition. So my motto is: Rathole bullets. :43:



Be well, Bob

My Glock 30 with lonewolf barrel and preban 13 round mag with sleeve. Very accurate and handy to shoot. (also a 4.5 connector)

http://i52.tinypic.com/23ww31i.jpg

RangemasterP226
09-17-2011, 9:37 AM
Not sure if serious................


GAP is dead, 45ACP will never die. Also, get a 9mm Glock for sure.

One78Shovel
09-17-2011, 9:45 AM
The same idea applies to Ammunition. I consider ammunition as good as GOLD in a future world. It only takes one session of Congress for various ammo bans to change our ability to own, purchase and import (from online vendors) ammunition. So my motto is: Rathole bullets. :43:


/\ Ditto on that /\- Thats also why I rat hole brass too.

-178S

Mr310
09-17-2011, 10:40 AM
Drop .45 GAP like 5th period French.

Mr.1904
09-17-2011, 11:04 AM
I love my 21.

TheExpertish
09-17-2011, 11:15 AM
Well that pretty much settles it. Thanks for the input. I'll probably end up snagging a G17 at some point as well.

Sturnovik
09-17-2011, 11:21 AM
Well that pretty much settles it. Thanks for the inputs. I'll probably end up snagging a G17 at some point as well.

You'll love a G17. I love mine, I refuse to sell it, always works and feels great. The G21 works fantastic. Wish I had one.

DannyInSoCal
09-17-2011, 11:30 AM
$373...?

Buy six of them - Sell five here for $475 - Free sidearm...

Omil
09-17-2011, 11:31 AM
I agree..!...the Glock 30 is a fantastic weapon and would be a good companion to the G21. :)

I am a firm believer that we should have several options in Caliber and Platforms for self defense, plinking, competition and poop-hit-the-fan.

Having a good collection is prudent in todays world. You never know when laws and rules will change. Owning a variety of handguns/Rifles is never a waste of money. If you take care of your weapons, the value will always be there. (and more fun than most hobbies)

The same idea applies to Ammunition. I consider ammunition as good as GOLD in a future world. It only takes one session of Congress for various ammo bans to change our ability to own, purchase and import (from online vendors) ammunition. So my motto is: Rathole bullets. :43:





Be well, Bob

My Glock 30 with lonewolf barrel and preban 13 round mag with sleeve. Very accurate and handy to shoot. (also a 4.5 connector)

http://i52.tinypic.com/23ww31i.jpg

+1..:cool:

TheExpertish
09-17-2011, 11:39 AM
$373...?

Buy six of them - Sell five here for $475 - Free sidearm...

I like your style.

PandaLuv
09-17-2011, 11:48 AM
.45ACP, 9mm or .40.

Can't go wrong with those round. Get glock 21 !

H2O MAN
09-17-2011, 12:16 PM
A pair of G21s with a G36 back-up here.

elephantrider
09-17-2011, 12:21 PM
I think a G21 or a G17 is more of a dilemma. Personally I prefer the G17.

stix213
09-17-2011, 1:14 PM
I thought this thread was a joke at first.

You realize when the SHTF, your internet orders for 45GAP aren't going to be processed right? And no one else will have 45GAP

iron330
09-17-2011, 5:47 PM
G21SF or Gen 4 G21 FTW. And if I can't get the ammo at my local Walmart(s), I'd likely not buy that caliber of firearm.

DannyInSoCal
09-17-2011, 5:54 PM
I like your style.

Then send me a damn tshirt - 3XL

:43:

gunafficionado
09-23-2011, 6:44 PM
G21 - good ammo availability + lottsa mags available

Maltese Falcon
09-23-2011, 6:52 PM
I have five pistols in................45 ACP.

Stack the ammo high and wide.

.

1lostinspace
09-23-2011, 6:53 PM
if you get the GAP you will have ammo when no one will. I remember when Obama was going cray trying to ban everything there was no ACP in sight! But there was GAP

Ubermcoupe
09-23-2011, 6:57 PM
If SHTF I would assume .45acp would be more plentiful (i.e easier to come by) than .45gap.

nrgcruizer
09-23-2011, 6:59 PM
I agree with previous posters that .45 ACP will be plentiful post-SHTF.

I think the reason why G37, .45 GAP, is cheaper over the G21 is because not everyone is clamoring to get one.

I have been looking for a Gen3 G17 or G26 in the marketplace for quite sometime now. Everyone seems to be holding on to them.

Oceanbob
09-23-2011, 7:01 PM
I have five pistols in................45 ACP.

Stack the ammo high and wide.

.

Good man..!

:)

Jake71
09-23-2011, 10:30 PM
smith and wesson .357 magnum Revolver would get my vote.


has been proven reliable long before Glock came into existence.

Cato
09-23-2011, 10:41 PM
21 hands down. No question. The GAP is a failed round and .45ACP is way more abundant and popular. For SHTF you dont want a unique round. IMO YMMV

What he said.

A SHTF gun has to be in a common caliber. GAP?! Really? You might as well get a gun in 41 Swiss or 38 AMU.

PRCABR4Christ
09-23-2011, 10:45 PM
not my platform of choice, but the G21 is much better suited for a SHTF situation as ammunition availability is greater with .45acp rather than .45gap, although, if ammo availability is of the greatest concern, 9mm would be better suited as it's used in every NATO country in the world

junkit_boy
09-24-2011, 1:53 AM
God's caliber is 45 ACP..no blasphemy please

esartori
09-24-2011, 9:32 AM
i also vote .45 acp. just wayyy more available

BamBam-31
09-24-2011, 10:01 AM
21 hands down. No question. The GAP is a failed round and .45ACP is way more abundant and popular. For SHTF you dont want a unique round. IMO YMMV

/thread

nrgcruizer
09-24-2011, 1:38 PM
smith and wesson .357 magnum Revolver would get my vote.


has been proven reliable long before Glock came into existence.

Bought the 686 and my snake for good measure ;)

junkit_boy
09-24-2011, 5:42 PM
off topic, but what was the point with the introduction of the 45 GAP when you have 45 ACP?
Is it kind of the same thing with 10mm and 40 cal?

aermotor
09-24-2011, 5:53 PM
I think the poll speaks for this entire thread!

Get a G19, I find them to shoot softer than a 17. Try both before you decide is all.

PRCABR4Christ
09-24-2011, 6:19 PM
off topic, but what was the point with the introduction of the 45 GAP when you have 45 ACP?
Is it kind of the same thing with 10mm and 40 cal?

10mm is much hotter, and flatter shooting at longer distances, it's a great hunting/defense caliber, .40 and .45 aren't great for hunting

RealBarber
09-24-2011, 6:36 PM
God's caliber is 45 ACP..no blasphemy please

haha, hell yeah

junkit_boy
09-24-2011, 6:52 PM
10mm is much hotter, and flatter shooting at longer distances, it's a great hunting/defense caliber, .40 and .45 aren't great for hunting

thanks!

drexotic
09-24-2011, 7:04 PM
Did you buy it yet ???

What ya waiting on ???

precisionshooter308
09-25-2011, 4:53 PM
It's called GAP for a reason.... It's a big empty space where a real caliber SHOULD be. Get an ACP, a nine or a forty.

thomashoward
09-27-2011, 6:31 PM
How much ammo can you carry?

jlbflyboy172
10-27-2011, 6:07 PM
Not sure why so many people speak out so harshly about the .45 GAP. The round is very well engineering and performs just as well as the ACP and the ammo is no more expensive and it is readily available. It uses a heavier duty casing that can candle higher pressure, it is lighter, uses a smaller primer and less powder which all makes for cheaper reloading and uses the same .45 dies. I walked into a local (small) gun store the other day and they stocked it. It is not a failed round as some earlier posted stated. Just because it is not your choice doesn't mean it is junk and you have to bash it. There are entire state law enforcement agencies that have adopted the round as their choice. The round actually makes for a very nice round particularly in the Glocks in models 37 & 38 because the frame size is the same as the 17/22 and 19/23. It makes for a very nice carry gun that is easier on the hands, packs power and holds 8 rounds and is easily concealable. It serves a purpose. The line of Glock pistols does not have a midsized .45 ACP and this fills that void. The 21 is not really concealable and the 30 and 36 don't shoot as well. For all you nay sayers, you should do some of your own actual research before all the bashing. There are actually a lot of really good reasons why it is a great round and serves its purpose well. Just sayin ...

Oceanbob
10-27-2011, 6:35 PM
Not really. You are welcome to buy and reload .45GAP. But you're in the 7% minority on this. Also, resale value is poor on these calibers.

Be well, Bob



Not sure why so many people speak out so harshly about the .45 GAP. The round is very well engineering and performs just as well as the ACP and the ammo is no more expensive and it is readily available. It uses a heavier duty casing that can candle higher pressure, it is lighter, uses a smaller primer and less powder which all makes for cheaper reloading and uses the same .45 dies. I walked into a local (small) gun store the other day and they stocked it. It is not a failed round as some earlier posted stated. Just because it is not your choice doesn't mean it is junk and you have to bash it. There are entire state law enforcement agencies that have adopted the round as their choice. The round actually makes for a very nice round particularly in the Glocks in models 37 & 38 because the frame size is the same as the 17/22 and 19/23. It makes for a very nice carry gun that is easier on the hands, packs power and holds 8 rounds and is easily concealable. It serves a purpose. The line of Glock pistols does not have a midsized .45 ACP and this fills that void. The 21 is not really concealable and the 30 and 36 don't shoot as well. For all you nay sayers, you should do some of your own actual research before all the bashing. There are actually a lot of really good reasons why it is a great round and serves its purpose well. Just sayin ...

West coast
10-27-2011, 6:59 PM
Glock 21...... 45acp is the way to go

NeenachGuy
10-27-2011, 7:53 PM
Not sure why so many people speak out so harshly about the .45 GAP. The round is very well engineering and performs just as well as the ACP and the ammo is no more expensive and it is readily available. It uses a heavier duty casing that can candle higher pressure, it is lighter, uses a smaller primer and less powder which all makes for cheaper reloading and uses the same .45 dies...

Yeah, get the .45 GAP; if you can't get the ammo when SHTF, you may be able to talk your way out of a gunfight by expounding on the superiority of the .45 GAP.

TheExpertish
10-27-2011, 7:58 PM
Not really. You are welcome to buy and reload .45GAP. But you're in the 7% minority on this. Also, resale value is poor on these calibers.

Be well, Bob

Hey Bob. jlbflyboy172 does have some good points. Just off hand I was able to Google search and come up with a retailer offering 4 different manufacturers of in-stock .45 GAP from $25-28 per box. And the poor resale value means these can be had for cheap (good for buying). However, I will agree in my original premise as a SHTF sidearm it does have its detractors. Being that GAP isn't AS common as ACP we'd be limited to ammo on hand, but could be made up for by planning ahead.

BajaJames83
10-27-2011, 7:58 PM
no GAP... too hard to find in a "SHTF" situation let alone normal daily shooting.

TheExpertish
10-27-2011, 8:04 PM
no GAP... too hard to find in a "SHTF" situation let alone normal daily shooting.

I can reasonably agree with this. In all likelyhood a SHTF here in SoCal would last 2 weeks tops from a bad earthquake. If in the event of a perfect storm of a huge quake, government Katrina-like bumbling, with a Tsunami on top, we could be looking at longer. That in mind I think I'm going to stick with ACP. That being said, I've always preferred HK and after seeing USP45's going for $600 I think I'm going that route. Plus Marklsupply.com ran out of the G21's for now. May still get a G37 for fun just to see what all the fuss is/isn't about.

jlbflyboy172
10-27-2011, 8:10 PM
Anyone ever consider having a supply of ammo on hand for a SHTF scenario. Who knows for sure if you will be able to find ANY ammo in such a scenario. A novel idea I know. So many people on this forum are so narrow minded. It is one thing to say not for me, but another to bash and flame because someone else thinks differently and doesn't agree with you. Small thinkers.

TheExpertish
10-27-2011, 9:15 PM
Anyone ever consider having a supply of ammo on hand for a SHTF scenario. Who knows for sure if you will be able to find ANY ammo in such a scenario. A novel idea I know. So many people on this forum are so narrow minded. It is one thing to say not for me, but another to bash and flame because someone else thinks differently and doesn't agree with you. Small thinkers.

I didn't really see you getting bashed here. I've been in threads that would have come to blows had it been in person. I agree with you that anything you plan on keeping on hand in a SHTF would benefit from stocking up way beforehand.

NeenachGuy
10-27-2011, 9:35 PM
Anyone ever consider having a supply of ammo on hand for a SHTF scenario. Who knows for sure if you will be able to find ANY ammo in such a scenario. A novel idea I know. So many people on this forum are so narrow minded. It is one thing to say not for me, but another to bash and flame because someone else thinks differently and doesn't agree with you. Small thinkers.

I apologize for my sarcasm; it was inappropriate.

Definitely having a good supply of things like food, ammo, cigarettes (even if you don't smoke), etc. is a must when preparing for SHTF... If civilized society falls apart, you'll not only need to take care of yourself and your loved ones with this supply of goods, but you may also need to barter for the other necessities that you didn't think of. You may be able to trade ammo for medicine, gasoline, or something else in such a situation. In that situation, I'd rather have a bunch of 9mm or .45ACP, because these cartridges are going to have a higher demand that .45 GAP.

But, all those considerations need to be weighed against the likelihood of an extreme SHTF (chaos for several weeks/months) happening. In all honesty, you raised some great points about .45 GAP... no reason a guy can't have both.

TheExpertish
10-27-2011, 9:37 PM
... no reason a guy can't have both.

That's the spirit! :D

themailman
10-27-2011, 9:38 PM
Ive never seen 45GAP anywhere, but then again Ive never looked. The G21 is a pretty nice little pistol.

SteveSatch
10-27-2011, 9:39 PM
Isn't the 21 too big for your wife to hold?

Colt-45
10-27-2011, 9:48 PM
I'd go with the .45 acp, the round is just more popular. If you end up getting a .45 gap, I suspect you'll probably end up selling it in the future.

Squidward
10-27-2011, 9:54 PM
The G21 has a rather large grip. Can you and your wife grasp/fire them properly? The recoil is not bad but do either of you have experience shooting .45? If not, is there somewhere you can go before you buy to test fire either/both of your choices?

Look into joining GSSF. As I recall, that gets you a new gun at a fairly good price.

Colt-45
10-27-2011, 9:58 PM
The G21 has a rather large grip.

How bout a G21sf?

jlbflyboy172
10-28-2011, 8:36 AM
Just as a point of clarity, I didn't feel like I was being bashed, I was referring to the bashing of the .45 GAP cartridge. There are several good points made about the .45 ACP. Don't get me wrong. I love the .45 ACP. I have both ACP and GAP and I love them both. No question, if you needed ammo to barter with, the ACP would be a better choice and no question that the GAP might not be the best choice for your bug out bag. The GAP is a great round engineered better than the .45 ACP and for a specific purpose. It is a smaller round that enables the builders to make a smaller grip. Just compare the Glock 37 to the Glock 21 and you will see a HUGE difference. That is a good thing. It puts more 45 caliber guns in smaller hands. What's wrong with that? If it doesn't meet your specific needs that is cool but don't make claims like it is a "failed" round or it is "dead". It clearly is neither. The GAP is a lot like the .40 S&W in terms of what the original intent was but I think it does a better job of it. I think as a gun loving community and supporters of the 2nd Amendment, we should all be open to new invention and celebrate as it expands our interest rather than take away from it. The more guns the better and the more ammunitions options the better in my book.

Striker
10-28-2011, 11:40 AM
Not sure why so many people speak out so harshly about the .45 GAP. The round is very well engineering and performs just as well as the ACP and the ammo is no more expensive and it is readily available. It uses a heavier duty casing that can candle higher pressure, it is lighter, uses a smaller primer and less powder which all makes for cheaper reloading and uses the same .45 dies. I walked into a local (small) gun store the other day and they stocked it. It is not a failed round as some earlier posted stated. Just because it is not your choice doesn't mean it is junk and you have to bash it. There are entire state law enforcement agencies that have adopted the round as their choice. The round actually makes for a very nice round particularly in the Glocks in models 37 & 38 because the frame size is the same as the 17/22 and 19/23. It makes for a very nice carry gun that is easier on the hands, packs power and holds 8 rounds and is easily concealable. It serves a purpose. The line of Glock pistols does not have a midsized .45 ACP and this fills that void. The 21 is not really concealable and the 30 and 36 don't shoot as well. For all you nay sayers, you should do some of your own actual research before all the bashing. There are actually a lot of really good reasons why it is a great round and serves its purpose well. Just sayin ...

In theory it was a great idea, smaller gun, same impact as the .45acp; however, to my knowledge, not many consumers or agencies have taken to the cartridge. First, you're right there are companies offering ammo for this gun, but it's more expensive than 45 acp ammo. I looked at PSA ammo prices before I wrote this. Great place to buy bulk ammo. 230 grain FMJ GAP ammo was $28.00 per box. You can get 230FMJ .45acp ammo on the same site for $15.00-$18.00 per box. That's a big difference. I admit it's only one site, but one that a lot of people use to purchase bulk ammo. Quite honestly the reloading aspect is irrelevant to people that don't reload, which makes up a lot shooters, including me.

Again, great idea that hasn't caught on with many shooters. The idea of a smaller .45 acp pistol gets filled by the Glock 30 or 36, if you must have a Glock or by a Commander length 1911 . IMHO, both of those and other smaller .45ACPs work fine for what they are and there are more ammo choices. Along the same line, with the latest ammo, I'm not sure what this cartridge offers that the .40 S&W doesn't. I know some will say that the .40 has more of a flip recoil to it, but to be honest, I've shot .40 on a static range and I understand the concern, but I've also used one for non static drills and it isn't as big of a deal as some think it is.

I'm not knocking the round, or what it was intended for, I'm just not sure that the void this was suppose to fill wasn't already addressed in the real world by other guns and calibers.

jlbflyboy172
10-28-2011, 12:27 PM
All good points Striker and I agree on many of them. For me the win is in having a 45 caliber bullet in gun that is big enough to shoot, holds more rounds, is reliable but is also easy to conceal. That is the Glock 38 for me. Same size a Glock 19 but with a .45 caliber bullet and it holds eight rounds. The Glock 30 for me is not comfortable to shoot and although it does hold 10 rounds, it is pretty fat and harder to conceal. The Glock 36 is a great shooter that I like a lot. It conceals great but it holds 6 rounds. The Glock 21 is a great shooter but too big to conceal and frankly pretty darn big in the hand too and I am not a small guy. I also have two Kimber 1911s, one 3" and one 4" but for me they don't make great carry guns. At the end of the day it's all a compromise and we all get to choose on what aspects we are willing to compromise. I guess I like having something that no everyone has. Dare to be different rather than just follow the crowd because everyone says ACP is the best and GAP is crap. I like both! Maybe if we didn't have so many nay sayers, the round would be more popular. Again, the more choices the better. It's what makes the world go round.

Striker
10-28-2011, 12:50 PM
All good points Striker and I agree on many of them. For me the win is in having a 45 caliber bullet in gun that is big enough to shoot, holds more rounds, is reliable but is also easy to conceal. That is the Glock 38 for me. Same size a Glock 19 but with a .45 caliber bullet and it holds eight rounds. The Glock 30 for me is not comfortable to shoot and although it does hold 10 rounds, it is pretty fat and harder to conceal. The Glock 36 is a great shooter that I like a lot. It conceals great but it holds 6 rounds. The Glock 21 is a great shooter but too big to conceal and frankly pretty darn big in the hand too and I am not a small guy. I also have two Kimber 1911s, one 3" and one 4" but for me they don't make great carry guns. At the end of the day it's all a compromise and we all get to choose on what aspects we are willing to compromise. I guess I like having something that no everyone has. Dare to be different rather than just follow the crowd because everyone says ACP is the best and GAP is crap. I like both! Maybe if we didn't have so many nay sayers, the round would be more popular. Again, the more choices the better. It's what makes the world go round.

You've done what a lot of others should do with firearms. You've tried it, you've reasoned out the benefits and detriments to you, and it's working for you. Good for you.

cHaOs ReX
10-28-2011, 3:29 PM
So I am a huge Glock fan. I've owned Glock 30s.

I will likely NEVER own another Glock 30. The thing is a fat beast that is NOT fun to shoot.

Also I've read some things that might suggest that Glock barrels might not be the best for higher caliber rounds. Because of this tid bit I decided against getting a Glock 21 as a full size .45. I went with a 1911 instead.

I have a Glock 26 now and I really like it. Fun to shoot. Get some hollowpoints and you've got a great carry/conceal zombie eliminator.

And as has been mention "re: 45 GAP". Where are you going to find that ammo during the zombie apocalypse?

Mrbroom
10-28-2011, 3:32 PM
G21 and a G26 are my SHTF sidearms!! Best of both worlds!!

TheExpertish
10-28-2011, 4:35 PM
Isn't the 21 too big for your wife to hold?

My wife doesn't have small hands, but I should let her handle both and see.

The G21 has a rather large grip. Can you and your wife grasp/fire them properly? The recoil is not bad but do either of you have experience shooting .45? If not, is there somewhere you can go before you buy to test fire either/both of your choices?

Look into joining GSSF. As I recall, that gets you a new gun at a fairly good price.

Glock Sport Shooting Foundation
Google works wonders so I don't have to ask you what it is. I'll have to look into it. Guns at good prices is what I like.

SteveSatch
10-31-2011, 4:34 PM
I found the Glock 21 to be too fat to have a good hold on it. I am not into thin handguns either. I find the grip of Rugers semi autos to fit my hand perfectly and most people find them to be too fat. When I tried the Glock 21 it was too fat for me to get a good grip though. Everyone's hands are different so try several and see what fits best : )