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Magpul
09-13-2011, 4:24 PM
So, I want to make this as short as possible. I am looking at getting another .22 rifle and I really like the MP 15-22 MOE, but i have heard that some people have bad experiences with it while others have good. I have heard that the 10-25 magazines are hard to load unless your able to find someone who can modify them (legally). I have heard the SIG 522 is much more reliable, but to be totally honest, I love the AR-15 design. (I also have an AR-15 and would love to practice without needing to pay an arm and a leg to shoot, so I though this would be a perfect solution.) Basically, should I buy an MP 15-22, SIG 522 or some other type of .22 rifle?

Thank you so much

(Btw, I already have a GSG-5 and 10/22 with a scope on it)

joe321
09-13-2011, 5:04 PM
I just got an MP 15-22 MOE. So far no problems at all. I've heard that some of the earlier 15-22's have had FTE problems, but I've shot about a 1000 rounds so far and not a single problem. I have not shot the Sig, but i've read tons of comparisons and reviews and my impression is that the Sig is the most accurate and reliable of the tactical style 22's. However, there are a few reasons I still went with the 15-22, and particularly the MOE version.

First is the actual style of the rifle. It looks, and functions like a regular AR-15. It's got the charging handle and the bolt actually locks out on the last shot. And the bolt release also functions just like regular AR. Also, I prefer the telescoping stock over the folding stock. Plus it has the quad rail for all the accessories and the sig only has the quad rails on the swat version.

Also I've read that the magazine does not drop out of the sig. Another calguns member recently got rifleman at an appleseed function and although he passed, he did note that you had to pull the magazine out by hand. I personally like that the 15-22 mag's just drop out.

There is also a Umarex HK 416 22 tactical that is about the Same price as the 15-22 MOE. I almost bought that one. I believe it has an aluminum receiver(not 100% sure) as opposed to the 15-22's polymer. But, after checking the 15-22, the polymer has great build quality to it, and it was not a factor at all. Plus the HK 416 22 has a forward assist button that does not function. It is just there for looks. I didn't like that. this is also the case on the colt and their bolt release. It is just there for looks and doesn't work. So on the MP 15-22, everything on it is functional, and if it is not, its not there. I love that.

I think you almost have to go with the MOE. I got mine at turner's for $535 plus dros and tax(torrance grand opening sale). Big 5 sells the regular one on sale for $469. so for a $66 difference, you get a magpul stock, magpul grip, magpul mbus sights, and a threaded barrel with a flash hider. To get the barrel threaded with all that other stuff would run you well over 200 bucks. That seemed like a no brainer.

I think for over all performance and build quality, the Sig seems to be the best. In the looks department, which is subjective, the HK wins out over the Sig and the 15-22. However, I think the MOE version is slightly better looking than the HK and certainly better than the Sig. So, with all things considered. Performance, Looks, functionality, reliability, and ability to accessorize, the 15-22 MOE wins out. I got a smokin deal on mine. :D

SkyStorm82
09-13-2011, 5:13 PM
It sounds like you want the 15-22 more but are concerned mainly about reliability. Mine works great so far and everything I've read pointed to the earlier models having problems.

You know which one you want.

davek8s
09-13-2011, 5:26 PM
I've put thousands of rounds through my 15/22 MOE. Never had any issue with it. Might be because mine was made after they fixed the extracter issues.
I have a gsg-5 and my friend has a 522. Of the 3 the S&W is my favorite.

Magpul
09-15-2011, 6:38 PM
Thanks everyone so much for there replies. I do want the 15-22 because it has the same look and shape as my AR-15 rifle. I love my GSG-5 but i have had a few bullets explode inside my gun... this has made me want to stop using the GSG-5 and get the 15-22 because I have seen others post the exact same thing happening. I just want this new gun because i am a little afraid to shoot it or let other people shoot it. :/ but once again thank you all for your quick replies :)

gun505
09-15-2011, 7:10 PM
I have put over a 1000rds through mine no probls, 44mag is your friend:43:

JamminJ
09-15-2011, 9:55 PM
I've also put a few thousand rounds through my M&P no problems at all. Great gun, I love mine.

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
09-15-2011, 10:23 PM
I've put thousands of rounds through my 15/22 MOE. Never had any issue with it. Might be because mine was made after they fixed the extracter issues.
I have a gsg-5 and my friend has a 522. Of the 3 the S&W is my favorite.

This! This! This!


You will not be disappointed with a 15-22 MOE.

Javi
09-15-2011, 10:47 PM
FYI: You don't need to find anyone to modify the magazines. They're not hard to load for me at all.

MaHoTex
09-16-2011, 8:41 AM
15K+ rounds through my M&P15-22. I can count the FTE/FTF on one hand. Very reliable.

Dump the 10/25 mags and get the short 10 rounders. I used my 10/25 mags a couple of times and then put them away and never looked back.

Javi
09-16-2011, 8:54 AM
15K+ rounds through my M&P15-22. I can count the FTE/FTF on one hand. Very reliable.

Dump the 10/25 mags and get the short 10 rounders. I used my 10/25 mags a couple of times and then put them away and never looked back.

Sell them for $12 each in the marketplace :)

MaHoTex
09-16-2011, 9:26 AM
Sell them for $12 each in the marketplace :)

Yeah, I suppose I could do that. I certainly would not miss them. It is just more a pain in the rear to have to ship them than it is worth.

ejhc11
09-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Here is the "something else"

Dedicated CMMG 22LR upper on a Plum Crazy lower
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac352/ejhc11/AR15/ARRF.jpg

Javi
09-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Yeah, I suppose I could do that. I certainly would not miss them. It is just more a pain in the rear to have to ship them than it is worth.

Price of shipping or do you mean finding a package, going to the post office, etc? They're pretty light so shipping first class with USPS shouldn't be bad at all. $12 will be the lowest price on these magazines ever(probably) so they should go fast. Hell, sell it locally!

MaHoTex
09-16-2011, 1:33 PM
Price of shipping or do you mean finding a package, going to the post office, etc? They're pretty light so shipping first class with USPS shouldn't be bad at all. $12 will be the lowest price on these magazines ever(probably) so they should go fast. Hell, sell it locally!

Getting box, going to post office, dealing with receiving money online.... all of it... Just a pain in the arse.

Jyruiz
09-16-2011, 2:50 PM
Here is the "something else"

Dedicated CMMG 22LR upper on a Plum Crazy lower
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac352/ejhc11/AR15/ARRF.jpg

I am looking to get a Plum Crazy lower for the same reson, did you get the lower locally, and if you did, where?

4ntvings
09-16-2011, 5:01 PM
definitely 15-22, hands down.
loading the magazine can be a pain, after a full day's shooting; esp if dont have the load-assist button on the longer mags.

but the rifle is dead on and i love it. got it on black fri for great price

ararar
09-16-2011, 7:29 PM
15K+ rounds through my M&P15-22. I can count the FTE/FTF on one hand. Very reliable.

Dump the 10/25 mags and get the short 10 rounders. I used my 10/25 mags a couple of times and then put them away and never looked back.

About a month ago I got the 15-22, and I will probably get crap for this, but I have gone thru over 1100 rounds without cleaning the rifle at all and it is still firing perfectly fine... I also agree that the 10/25 mags arent as easy to load as the 10 rd mag, because the 10/25 doesn't have the tab thing on the side to help you pull the bullets down as you load.. I paid $400 + FFL fee for my plain 15-22, and ended up putting almost all the moe stuff on it..

A buddy just ordered the sig522 for around $400 as well with a scope included. I've never shot the 522, but i have handled it in the shop and it is a pretty solid feeling rifle. Plus the folding stock is pretty sweet. Also with the 522 I think you can use the generic black dog 22 mags that are pretty inexpensive.

joe321
09-16-2011, 8:09 PM
About a month ago I got the 15-22, and I will probably get crap for this, but I have gone thru over 1100 rounds without cleaning the rifle at all and it is still firing perfectly fine... I also agree that the 10/25 mags arent as easy to load as the 10 rd mag, because the 10/25 doesn't have the tab thing on the side to help you pull the bullets down as you load.. I paid $400 + FFL fee for my plain 15-22, and ended up putting almost all the moe stuff on it..

A buddy just ordered the sig522 for around $400 as well with a scope included. I've never shot the 522, but i have handled it in the shop and it is a pretty solid feeling rifle. Plus the folding stock is pretty sweet. Also with the 522 I think you can use the generic black dog 22 mags that are pretty inexpensive.

If you're lazy about cleaning it, you should get a bore snake. Just got one and it couldn't be any easier. you don't even have to take it down. just pull the bolt back and drop it through.

aslowdodge
09-17-2011, 10:16 PM
I have both the 15 -22 and the sig522. My 15-22 seems sensitive to being cleaned often or I get a lot of problems, but it is a great firearm. I like the sig even more and have yet to clean it. The mags drop just as freely or more so than any of my 7 other ar15's. They are the black dog mags.

Miktee
09-19-2011, 5:53 PM
Here is another "something else". My goal was an inexpensive, ultra lightweight AR style dedicated .22 for my boys to shoot. Its a Plumb Crazy lower with a Chiappa .22 upper. I knew up front from my research prior that I would have to modify the hammer to work with the upper - you could also purchase the smaller hammer for $10. Weighs about 3-4 lbs I think, shoots well, 300 rounds with 2 mis feeds, most likely the bulk pak ammo. Built the whole thing for under 500.

That being said, my "bubba'ed" tactical 10/22 is still my faV ;D



http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k605/miktee1/IMG00509-20110919-1724.jpg

ADDED - for jyruiz - you can get the plumb crazy lower here for 119.95 http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Lower_Receivers_s/3021.htm

Jyruiz
09-20-2011, 12:57 PM
ADDED - for jyruiz - you can get the plumb crazy lower here for 119.95 http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Lower_Receivers_s/3021.htm


Thanks.

bssybeep
09-20-2011, 9:33 PM
Buy both! I have a 15-22 MOE, 522 classic, and 522 Swat Commando. They all shoot great, but I love my MOE.