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sofbak
09-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Obama good for firearms sales...how ironic is this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44375021/ns/business-us_business/

Maybe if he's sincere about gun control, he'll "LBJ" the upcoming election:

"I will not seek, nor will I accept the nomination..."

anothergunnut
09-05-2011, 10:37 AM
Although BHO is good for sales, he is bad for the industry in the long run. It is a lot like the GCA of 68. S&W and the domestic manufacturers were happy to eliminate the competition from cheap, surplus guns. What they missed was that once a person buys a cheap surplus gun, they are likely to upgrade and purchase higher quality guns.

Black rifle sales are certainly impacted by BHO and the threat of bans but there is more to increased sales than that. The invention of bullet buttons created a whole new market in the biggest, wealthiest state in the union. The liberalization of concealed carry has created a market for small guns and created a new group of gun owners.

BHO might be good for Ruger's profits in the short run but his Supreme Court justices are poison to the industry and gun owners. I'll take a Republican who will nominate the likes of Thomas, Alito and Roberts.

Norsemen308
09-05-2011, 12:59 PM
^ i agree wtih gunnut, I am not worried so much of bills coming from his office, I am afraid of him getting the chance to upset the 5-4 balance.... the supreme court is the one thing I love and hate, i love when they stick with the constitution but I hate the fact they could completely rewrite the supreme law of the land.

sofbak
09-05-2011, 1:18 PM
I don't disagree with you, but you guys missed the point. It's here:

Maybe if he's sincere about gun control, he'll "LBJ" the upcoming election:

"I will not seek, nor will I accept the nomination..."

I admit its wishful thinking and has no chance of coming to fruition.

nicki
09-05-2011, 1:51 PM
The people who run American companies are "short sighted", Obama is good for sales as long as people fear he will ban guns and the guns that he would ban can still be sold.

The election of a pro gun candidate would result in less people buying guns out of fear of a gun ban.

That being said, a pro gun republican could treat gun ownership as a constitutional right and go after states that violate those rights.

The firearms industry needs to recognize and start marketing to untapped markets who should be gun owners, but aren't.

If BHO wins, the economy will crash and no one will have money to buy guns and ammo. That is a surefire way to kill not only one's business, but everyone else as well.

Nicki

Briancnelson
09-05-2011, 1:53 PM
My favorite part about that article was where he called "tactical rifles" "the kind of stuff Rambo might use". Or say, anyone in the armed forces. Or police officers. Or hell, anyone who wants a reliable semi-auto rifle.

Some of these anti-gun writers have the brains a pissant might use.

Cali-Shooter
09-05-2011, 2:57 PM
Here's something that's not good for business, it's called the "Safe" Handgun Roster. Oh sure, some FFL's get around it with the SSE, and some manufacturers also get around it with Kali-compliant models, but for the most part, any and all handguns as a whole* cannot be sold here thru FFL transfers, only thru private hands thru PPT.




EDIT:

* "any and all handguns as a whole, that are not on the roster can't be sold without a middleman to make them Kali-compliant (those that can be SSE'd)"

GrayWolf09
09-05-2011, 4:18 PM
Although BHO is good for sales, he is bad for the industry in the long run. It is a lot like the GCA of 68. S&W and the domestic manufacturers were happy to eliminate the competition from cheap, surplus guns. What they missed was that once a person buys a cheap surplus gun, they are likely to upgrade and purchase higher quality guns.

Black rifle sales are certainly impacted by BHO and the threat of bans but there is more to increased sales than that. The invention of bullet buttons created a whole new market in the biggest, wealthiest state in the union. The liberalization of concealed carry has created a market for small guns and created a new group of gun owners.

BHO might be good for Ruger's profits in the short run but his Supreme Court justices are poison to the industry and gun owners. I'll take a Republican who will nominate the likes of Thomas, Alito and Roberts.

I disagree. I believe that the gun buying spree in 2008 was good for us overall. When I go to Metcalf Shooting Range in San Jose on a weekday now it is as busy as it used to be on the weekends. Plus I see a lot of women and children there now. In the long run that is good for us and that is what will do more to preserve our gun rights than anything else.

Thomas, Alito, Scalia and Roberts are a trade off. While they are apparently good for the Second Amendment, they are not good for the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments. At the present time Kagan and Sotomayor are still relatively unknown quantities although those who divide the country into Republicans and Communists have, not surprisingly, already decided they are Communists. We will see.:cool:

CDFingers
09-06-2011, 4:17 AM
I think Obama will avoid signing any gun laws before 2012.

If he were to encourage guns laws if he were re elected, such a move would threaten any dem proposing a gun law. I think the dems see gun laws as generally losing legislation except for strange pockets here and there--nothing nationally.

CDFingers

FullMetalJacket
09-06-2011, 10:01 AM
I suspect we'll see Obama's true colors on gun control if he's re-elected.

It's certainly not hard to detect in his Supreme Court Justices. If we had one more of BHO's picks on SCOTUS in 2009, McDonald would not have gone our way.

GOEX FFF
09-06-2011, 11:53 AM
I suspect we'll see Obama's true colors on gun control if he's re-elected.

It's certainly not hard to detect in his Supreme Court Justices. If we had one more of BHO's picks on SCOTUS in 2009, McDonald would not have gone our way.

I saw all the colors of the Obama spectrum rainbow way before he was elected.

How many MORE true colors does one need to see other than this?

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

"FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.