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hairtumor
09-04-2011, 5:30 PM
got my 10/22, uncle mikes swivels, and appleseed cotton sling. Is there a site that shows proper installation and use of the sling so I can practice a little prior to appleseed.

as_rocketman
09-04-2011, 5:40 PM
This page (http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm) covers it well. It's pretty simple.

I prefer to have the sling turned so that, when flat, the adjustment tab is facing away from the rifle instead of inwards towards it as shown here, but it makes no difference.

We'll go over this at Appleseed, and show the other two ways to use a sling as well.

ETA: Also note in the page above, the shooter is right handed. You give the half-turn towards your trigger hand in general.

hairtumor
09-04-2011, 6:46 PM
thanks

Eljay
09-04-2011, 8:18 PM
That's a great page. Another thing that would be very useful that I remember discussing with my fellow first timers - there's some recommendations in the instructions that if you practice the positions before the event it will help you limber up a bit and it will be easier on you... but there's no description of these positions (or maybe there was a link to a page you couldn't access unless you are instructor level which amounts to the same thing).

hairtumor
09-04-2011, 10:08 PM
showing the different shooting positions would be nice

ironpete
09-04-2011, 11:40 PM
Who would you trust more?
A gunsmith who learned on youtube
A gunsmith who apprenticed under and was endorsed by a master gunsmith

I understand the desire to make the most of your experience by practicing, but I would exercise caution. How do you know you aren't learning/reinforcing bad habits?

From my personal experience I tried to practice before my first Appleseed. I can usually figure stuff out, how hard could it be? I read books on shooting positions and watched the videos on setting up my 1907 sling. All that went out the window once I was down in the dirt. With an instructor correcting me I learned more in 5 minutes than all the hours spent previously.

Some of the most apt pupils are the ones who haven't shot before (no bad habits, no pre-conceived notions). My advice is to just go. First learn how to do it right, then practice like crazy.

The best thing you can bring to an Appleseed is an open, can-do attitude.

-Pete

Eljay
09-05-2011, 1:28 PM
Just to elaborate a bit on my point about the positions...

If you search for appleseed what to bring, you get the following. I believe this is also the link sent out when you register. It's definitely linked to from the top of the appleseed lounge section of the forum as the official list.

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8162.0

If you look under aspirin and Ibuprofen it talks about being sore, and perhaps you should dry fire to prepare. It then links to http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8330.0g

If you click on that link, it asks for a login. After using my forum login it says "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."

Also below under rifle type it links to http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8107.0

This also says it is missing or off limit to me.

This is seriously broken - why in the world is it set up so that basic "what to bring" information has either dead links or are somehow protected?

gratefuldog
09-05-2011, 2:13 PM
How to prepare: http://appleseedinfo.org/as_prepare.html

hairtumor
09-05-2011, 2:26 PM
the statement in red makes no sense to me, but I am a nob to this

Again, be prepared. You should function-test your rifle and, if possible, have it zeroed for 25 meters or 200 yards. You can also adjust your sights so your group prints 3" above point of aim at 100 yds, and mark your sights with paint, magic marker, or fingernail polish. Doing so will leave you properly sighted for the 25m AQT.

gratefuldog
09-05-2011, 2:55 PM
have it zeroed for 25 meters or 200 yards

Consider the path (trajectory) of a bullet vs. your line of sight through the rifle's sights. Your line of sight will be a straight line, from the rear sight through the front sight to the target. The bullet's path, however, is an arc (a curved line,) that will pass through the line of sight twice: Once, relatively close to the shooter, and again, at the target.


[EDIT] look at the diagrams here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/bullet_trajectory.htm Then go back and read the explanation.[\EDIT]

Eljay
09-05-2011, 3:41 PM
Yes, but every caliber's going to have a different trajectory. That might be right for some caliber (.223?) but a .22 zeroed at 25 meters hits something like a foot, foot and a half low at 100 yards, not 3" high.

Instead of all of this 3" above point of aim for 100 yards nonsense it should just say zero it for 25 meters.

as_rocketman
09-05-2011, 4:27 PM
Yup, just zero it at 25 meters.

IF you happen to be using a .30 caliber (.30'06 or .308, e.g. M1 Garand) then you'll find IN GENERAL your 25 meter zero is also right about on target at 200 meters. But if you're not, it won't be.

For a .22, your 25 meter zero will also be about right at ~60 meters. Depends on barrel length and several other factors.

So just zero it at 25 meters.

ironpete
09-05-2011, 4:47 PM
All,

I think we're threadjacking this topic. I'd be happy to discuss any of the points via PM or start another more appropriate thread.

Eljay, thanks for the info...we'll get that fixed. The main site's "what to bring" link (the one from gratefuldog) is correct.

-Pete

Just to elaborate a bit on my point about the positions...

If you search for appleseed what to bring, you get the following. I believe this is also the link sent out when you register. It's definitely linked to from the top of the appleseed lounge section of the forum as the official list.

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8162.0

If you look under aspirin and Ibuprofen it talks about being sore, and perhaps you should dry fire to prepare. It then links to http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8330.0g

If you click on that link, it asks for a login. After using my forum login it says "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."

Also below under rifle type it links to http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=8107.0

This also says it is missing or off limit to me.

This is seriously broken - why in the world is it set up so that basic "what to bring" information has either dead links or are somehow protected?