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Treb5
08-31-2011, 9:54 PM
My title says it all. I know I cannot carry on any campus but I want to know if it is lawful for me to lock my Carry Weapon in a locked container before entering campus property.

Unfortunately the middle Bullie in my avatar has been in intensive care at a UC Campus facility for the last week. My wife and I are retired and have been making the 180 mile round trip everyday to be with her. I have been leaving my weapon at home but would like to have it with me if the lock box would make me legal while on campus property.

I do have a LTC.

Thanks

Schrodinger's Cat
08-31-2011, 10:09 PM
Do you have a LTC?

Schrodinger's Cat
08-31-2011, 10:18 PM
I'm fairly certain that a California law allows you to carry like normal on a college campus if you have a LTC.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=443487

Crom
08-31-2011, 10:24 PM
Seeing that you have a LTC, you should be fine.

safewaysecurity
08-31-2011, 10:24 PM
Pretty sure you can't. Isn't ammunition banned on UC campuses without a LTC?

Edit: OP has LTC is good to go but don't let anyone know obviously.

Schrodinger's Cat
08-31-2011, 10:28 PM
In fact, you might HAVE to actually have it on you. Wouldn't leaving a gun in your car, even in a locked box, nullify any benefits of a LTC because you aren't carrying any more and make you/the firearm subject to laws as if you didn't have a LTC? Can somebody confirm or deny this thought? I'm basing it on the fact that one with a LTC can't leave their pistol unlocked and concealed in their car while they're away.

SunkenShadow
08-31-2011, 10:30 PM
UC Campuses ban anything that is deemed 'explosive' or 'combustible'....generally speaking.

iirc, UC Campuses ban firearms also in ANY form, form in a sense you're doing LUCC or locked container in your trunk. Technically (technicality), if you drive onto UC property and they search your car, they CAN arrest/ticket you and some streets surrounding the UCs are campus-owned streets or at least escort you off the premise, even if it is in a locked container in your trunk.

imo, not exactly the most legal thing they can do and it'd be interesting to see someone challenge this but not gonna happen within the lifetime of my career as a student.

hk91666
08-31-2011, 10:32 PM
Cops at UCD are very anti-gun if you do keep in car keep hidden and locked. There are signs all over campus prohibiting firearms on UC property I do not know if LTC is good or not. JMHO

Schrodinger's Cat
08-31-2011, 10:34 PM
iirc, UC Campuses ban firearms also in ANY form, form in a sense you're doing LUCC or locked container in your trunk. Technically (technicality), if you drive onto UC property and they search your car, they CAN arrest/ticket you and some streets surrounding the UCs are campus-owned streets or at least escort you off the premise, even if it is in a locked container in your trunk.

imo, not exactly the most legal thing they can do and it'd be interesting to see someone challenge this but not gonna happen within the lifetime of my career as a student.

Doesn't seem like this jives with state preemption law if he has a LTC.

safewaysecurity
08-31-2011, 10:41 PM
Just carry it on your person. Don' leave it in the car. Whole point of an LTC is to carry it loaded not LUCC. It doesn't make a difference legally because you have the LTC.

Memnok
08-31-2011, 10:46 PM
Do you have written permission from the university president? I would read up on the terms of the LTC and be sure it covers the University. If there is a section listed on the LTC that outlines it's authority, I'd be interested to know what it is for my personal knowledge.

California Penal Code 626.9(h) - Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or administration by, a public or private university or college, that are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it is with the written permission of the university or college president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.

SunkenShadow
08-31-2011, 10:48 PM
What I stated was pretty much UC policy. I'm not sure about the legal preemptions or anything about that but it's for reference and what I know about the UC policies. :-/

and on a different note, I just remembered I do not see ANY signs on the UC I go to stating that firearms are prohibited....just a lot of no skateboarding signs...

hk91666
08-31-2011, 10:51 PM
A few years back an ROTC student living in Sac brought his training AR in a duffle bag on the bus to campus. He was returning it to UCBerkley via a bus. Someone saw it and they damn near shutdown the entire campus until area was cleared. At least one building was locked down over it.This is the story I heard working on campus. I never heard what they did to the poor guy.

Doheny
08-31-2011, 11:03 PM
Actually, this has been covered a LOT here on CG. If you have a LTC you CAN carry on UC property.

Do you have written permission from the university president? I would read up on the terms of the LTC and be sure it covers the University. If there is a section listed on the LTC that outlines it's authority, I'd be interested to know what it is for my personal knowledge.

See PC 626.9(I):

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of
Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.


OP, you're good to go.

Turo
08-31-2011, 11:20 PM
A LTC exempts a person from the law (PC 626) that forbids firearms on school campuses. Just make sure that your license doesn't specifically say you can't carry on school campuses, because you would be in danger of having your permit pulled, you can't be charged with a crime for it, but if the issuing sheriff has something against it you will lose your permit.

It matters not what a school says it's firearm policy is, except that they can kick you out if you're a student or they can fire you if you work there.

JimSar
09-01-2011, 12:10 AM
Actually, this has been covered a LOT here on CG. If you have a LTC you CAN carry on UC property.


I concur. Plus concealed is concealed, as an old retiree I don't think I'd draw any attention. Recently watched a soccer game in a UC campus. With a G26 and LTC.

GeneralNonsense
09-01-2011, 12:27 AM
This might help:
"UC Davis and other public schools and facilities have strict regulations about possession of firearms, so please remove any guns from yer truck rack before coming to campus. Some other Universities offer storage options with their campus police departments for students living on campus, but UC Davis does not.

In an attempt to encourage firearm safety, the Davis Police Department and other local law enforcement agencies periodically distribute free gunlocks as part of Project Childsafe so we can avoid accidental shootings — when available, locks are in the lobby behind the forms shelf.

To learn about specific laws concerning gun ownership in California, please educate yourself on the California Department of Justice website."

Source:
http://daviswiki.org/Firearms

Best to leave it in your car... campuses are strict especially law enforcement these days on campus... =/


Regards to your dog.

Anchors
09-01-2011, 12:34 AM
Technically (technicality), if you drive onto UC property and they search your car, they CAN arrest/ticket you and some streets surrounding the UCs are campus-owned streets or at least escort you off the premise, even if it is in a locked container in your trunk.

What I stated was pretty much UC policy. I'm not sure about the legal preemptions or anything about that but it's for reference and what I know about the UC policies. :-/

and on a different note, I just remembered I do not see ANY signs on the UC I go to stating that firearms are prohibited....just a lot of no skateboarding signs...

It wouldn't matter even if there were signs. Signs do not have the force of the law in California. Any property owner may ask you to leave and if you don't comply, THEN you can be arrested for trespassing.

Also, "what I stated was pretty much UC policy". That is true, but UC policy also doesn't have the force of the law here. You certainly can (and will!) be expelled if discovered, but you can't be convicted of a crime.

If I had an LTC, I may or may not violate school policy (probably not, just because I care about my academic career and have a solid GPA). If I felt there was a specific threat (or maybe even if just studying late), I probably would.
Being expelled can be worse than being arrested, in some cases...

Maestro Pistolero
09-01-2011, 12:35 AM
You have just identified yourself on a public forum as the guy with the sick bully at UC Davis. If there are any internet security alerts out there for the certain keywords (UC Davis, gun, concealed, etc) an alert may pop up in someone's inbox. Be careful.

Anchors
09-01-2011, 12:58 AM
You have just identified yourself on a public forum as the guy with the sick bully at UC Davis. If there are any internet security alerts out there for the certain keywords (UC Davis, gun, concealed, etc) an alert may pop up in someone's inbox. Be careful.

They probably have an alert system for evil "assault dogs" too.
So you're double flagged!

(people in California think all dogs with bull, pit, rot, etc in the name are abused dog fighting dogs who will rip your throat out with little provocation)

Decoligny
09-01-2011, 8:19 AM
It wouldn't matter even if there were signs. Signs do not have the force of the law in California. Any property owner may ask you to leave and if you don't comply, THEN you can be arrested for trespassing.Also, "what I stated was pretty much UC policy". That is true, but UC policy also doesn't have the force of the law here. You certainly can (and will!) be expelled if discovered, but you can't be convicted of a crime.

If I had an LTC, I may or may not violate school policy (probably not, just because I care about my academic career and have a solid GPA). If I felt there was a specific threat (or maybe even if just studying late), I probably would.
Being expelled can be worse than being arrested, in some cases...

Fortunately "UC" means University of California, and that means it is a publically owned school, i.e. the State owns it (the people of California).

Thus it is treated like any other Government Facility, and they can't make up rules that go beyond what the laws allow.

If there isn't anything in the PC making it illegal to carry on campus, then they can't enforce any signs, or if they do have signs, they can't "trespass" you for not obeying them.

mag360
09-01-2011, 8:23 AM
wow. I really wish some of the people who have responded to your info request would quit the FUd and pull their head out. Are you guys serious. If I had hair I'd be pulling it out.

Shiboleth
09-01-2011, 8:34 AM
In fact, you might HAVE to actually have it on you. Wouldn't leaving a gun in your car, even in a locked box, nullify any benefits of a LTC because you aren't carrying any more and make you/the firearm subject to laws as if you didn't have a LTC? Can somebody confirm or deny this thought? I'm basing it on the fact that one with a LTC can't leave their pistol unlocked and concealed in their car while they're away.


Pretty sure the LTC exempts you from having to unload and lock the weapon when it's not on you.

The Shadow
09-01-2011, 8:38 AM
This is so simple. Either carry it on you with your permission slip, or lock it in your trunk and if one of them wants to search the box, simply refuse to open it without a warrant. Since you have a legitimate reason to be on campus, they can't kick you off. If they give you a ration of s:censored:, simply file a FORMAL complaint.

Treb5
09-01-2011, 8:55 AM
Thanks for all the input fellas. I have decided it is best to leave the carry weapon at home in the safe while doing business on a UC Campus.

(modified OP)

Doheny
09-01-2011, 9:14 AM
Thanks for all the input fellas. I have decided it is best to leave the carry weapon at home in the safe while doing business on a UC Campus.

(modified OP)

Why leave it at home? The law says you can carry on a UC campus...you were given the PC sections...what more do you need?


Best to leave it in your car... campuses are strict especially law enforcement these days on campus... =/


Dude, you're spreading misinformation. Read the law; a Wiki page means nothing...it doesn't cite the law which says someone with a LTC CAN carry on campus.


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Big Ben
09-01-2011, 9:19 AM
wow. I really wish some of the people who have responded to your info request would quit the FUd and pull their head out. Are you guys serious. If I had hair I'd be pulling it out.

Amen.

As Dohney stated, PC 626.9 exempts LTC holders from the the UC systems rules regarding guns on campus. Carry your weapon like you normally would, and ignore the rest of the FUD above.

Sorry to hear about your dog. Hope things turn out for the best.

JimSar
09-01-2011, 9:25 AM
You have just identified yourself on a public forum as the guy with the sick bully at UC Davis. If there are any internet security alerts out there for the certain keywords (UC Davis, gun, concealed, etc) an alert may pop up in someone's inbox. Be careful.

:) Giving them too much credit? This is the University that couldn't even spell the name of our great state. :)

http://www.pbase.com/jimsar/image/137712846/medium.jpg

Above item was bought at UC Davis University Book Store. Go Aggies :p

kelley_aj
09-01-2011, 10:45 AM
I work at UCDMC and was specficlly told by the interviewing detective that the LTC does not overide the UC policy, however it is not posted for non-employees that firearms are prohibited. There is a UC police force that exists at our campus but I am not sure they are present at the UCD campus. Firearms are prohibeted on all UC campuses so I would not risk having a long day in the UC police department working it out.

GrizzlyGuy
09-01-2011, 10:56 AM
For future reference, this is is stickied in the LTC subforum and applies to people with LTC's: Definitive "Where can I carry in CA?" list? (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=338205). If UC's were restricted, the author would have included them in his exception list.

For people without LTC's, good info in the FAQ here: Where/when are some places/times that I CAN NOT HAVE A FIREARM? (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/FAQ#Where.2Fwhen_are_some_places.2Ftimes_that_I_CA N_NOT_HAVE_A_FIREARM.3F)

lgm118icbm
09-01-2011, 11:11 AM
With a LTC, there is no PC that would prohibit an individual from otherwise lawfully carrying on a UC Campus.
And unless I missed it, I could find no UC policy that would prohibit such acts for a student, staff, or otherwise.



Without a LTC, you cannot carry, even locked and unloaded on a UC campus. And be aware that only areas that are detached must post signs prohibiting firearms. The general campus is not required to post the prohibition.

If a human carried without a LTC, they would violate 626.9
If a student carried without a LTC, they would also be violating UC Policy 100.00 - Policy on Student Conduct and Discipline
I did not see anything that specifically related to staff but I could have missed it. Can anybody verify if any UC policy specifically prohibits staff from carrying without a LTC?

curtisfong
09-01-2011, 11:16 AM
I work at UCDMC and was specficlly told by the interviewing detective that the LTC does not overide the UC policy

More FUD. When will it end? This is getting ridiculous. READ the law yourself.

Shiboleth
09-01-2011, 11:17 AM
I work at UCDMC and was specficlly told by the interviewing detective that the LTC does not overide the UC policy, however it is not posted for non-employees that firearms are prohibited. There is a UC police force that exists at our campus but I am not sure they are present at the UCD campus. Firearms are prohibeted on all UC campuses so I would not risk having a long day in the UC police department working it out.

The interviewing detective is full of crap. State law doesn't override school policy...really?
While it might suck to get exposed and have to deal with a day with the police, how much worse would it suck if you needed the gun and didn't have it? We carry for a reason and it has nothing to do with convenience.

vieleicht
09-01-2011, 11:25 AM
As stated previously, state law allows you to carry is you are licensed. The only authority that UC has is with students. As an undergrad, I have to "agree" that I will not carry on campus. That is essentially the only means for them to prohibit the carrying of weapons on campus- by enrolling as a student you void this right (not sure about employees but I don't think this would fly- I don't know how it flies for students to begin with). If you are a non-student just visiting the vet center you are good to go.

Big Ben
09-01-2011, 11:26 AM
I work at UCDMC and was specficlly told by the interviewing detective that the LTC does not overide the UC policy, however it is not posted for non-employees that firearms are prohibited. There is a UC police force that exists at our campus but I am not sure they are present at the UCD campus. Firearms are prohibeted on all UC campuses so I would not risk having a long day in the UC police department working it out.

Legally, the LTC does, in fact, override UC policy. However, the detective was probably trying to communicate the fact that as an employee, having an LTC does not override their employee policy of no firearms, and they could fire you if they caught you.

Once again, as has been properly stated and referenced numerous times above, if you have an LTC, you are able to carry on campus with no legal ramifications if you are "caught" carrying. As an employee or student, you are still legally allowed to carry, but could be fired/expelled if "caught" carrying in violation of the respective employee/student codes. While there are no "legal" repercussions, the prospect of losing employment/enrollment is probably a good reason to think long and hard about whether you choose to carry on campus with an LTC.

In the case of a non-employee/non-student that is visiting the campus (the case of the OP), the only recourse the school has if you are caught carrying would be for them to request (and likely escort) you to leave the campus. But keep it concealed and you won't get "caught," and the whole thing is moot.

Shiboleth
09-01-2011, 11:50 AM
As stated previously, state law allows you to carry is you are licensed. The only authority that UC has is with students. As an undergrad, I have to "agree" that I will not carry on campus. That is essentially the only means for them to prohibit the carrying of weapons on campus- by enrolling as a student you void this right (not sure about employees but I don't think this would fly- I don't know how it flies for students to begin with). If you are a non-student just visiting the vet center you are good to go.

You may have to agree to not carry if his is part of some contract you signed, but even in that case, you certainly don't void your right.

GillaFunk
09-01-2011, 12:03 PM
Out of all the places I frequent, my local UC where I used to attend is the ONE place I REALLY wished I could carry (if I had a LTC).

1911su16b870
09-01-2011, 12:49 PM
So when did LTC become the new CCW acronym?

IGOTDIRT4U
09-01-2011, 1:00 PM
Cops at UCD are very anti-gun if you do keep in car keep hidden and locked. There are signs all over campus prohibiting firearms on UC property I do not know if LTC is good or not. JMHO

IIRC, those prohibitions are for students. Visitors with LTC are legal.

mag360
09-01-2011, 1:03 PM
about 2 weeks ago! You need to come to calguns more often, apparently ;)

Big Ben
09-01-2011, 1:07 PM
So when did LTC become the new CCW acronym?

We're trying to clarify and improve our use of language. Gene Hoffman had a great post discussing the change and the reason for it at the following thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=463664

vonderplatz
09-01-2011, 1:28 PM
It is not illegal to carry on campus if you have a LTC (True). However, what do you think will happen if the University gets the following phone call:

Operator: 911 Emergency
Caller: OMG he’s got a gun

You will probably not go to jail, but is it worth it?

Andy Taylor
09-01-2011, 1:34 PM
It is not illegal to carry on campus if you have a LTC (True). However, what do you think will happen if the University gets the following phone call:

Operator: 911 Emergency
Caller: OMG hes got a gun

You will probably not go to jail, but is it worth it?

I would bet that there are quite a few folks at Virginia Tech who would say that it is.

CaliforniaCarry
09-01-2011, 1:41 PM
Oh my goodness... the FUD in this thread is strong....

I work on a college campus and done TONS of research on this. Bottom line is that you are exempt from 626.9 PC if you have a LTC. That means you can carry on any college or university campus in the state with your LTC, and the worst they can legally do is ask you to leave (unless, of course, you're an employee or a student and they have a no-firearms policy). The situation with UC schools is even better, because they can't even ask you to leave.

No LTC = no campus carry. Not even locked, unloaded, and in the trunk of your car. (as an aside: this really sucks for those of us that work at colleges, since we can't even do simple things like keep our guns locked up for an after work range trip)

Just carry it. It's legal, and you'll be doing a service to thousands of students for the few minutes you're on their campus by providing protection against an active shooter situation.

vonderplatz
09-01-2011, 1:44 PM
I would bet that there are quite a few folks at Virginia Tech who would say that it is.

True!

mrdd
09-01-2011, 1:57 PM
No LTC = no campus carry. Not even locked, unloaded, and in the trunk of your car. (as an aside: this really sucks for those of us that work at colleges, since we can't even do simple things like keep our guns locked up for an after work range trip)

Is that really true? Both PC 626.9 and the Federal statute provide an exemption when the firearm is unloaded and in a locked container. Ammunition is a different story, however.

Anchors
09-01-2011, 2:00 PM
Fortunately "UC" means University of California, and that means it is a publically owned school, i.e. the State owns it (the people of California).

Thus it is treated like any other Government Facility, and they can't make up rules that go beyond what the laws allow.

If there isn't anything in the PC making it illegal to carry on campus, then they can't enforce any signs, or if they do have signs, they can't "trespass" you for not obeying them.

I said this

It wouldn't matter even if there were signs. Signs do not have the force of the law in California. Any property owner may ask you to leave and if you don't comply, THEN you can be arrested for trespassing.

Also, "what I stated was pretty much UC policy". That is true, but UC policy also doesn't have the force of the law here. You certainly can (and will!) be expelled if discovered, but you can't be convicted of a crime.


Where did you see a conflict in what we're both saying?

And yes, if you are bound by their rules, so it would appear they can make up rules that go beyond the law (students/employees).
They CAN make you leave, expel you, and terminate your employment.
I also stated in my post that their signs have no force of the law...so I'm not sure why you're saying that. I said that signs don't have the force of the law anywhere and only after a property owner asks you to leave, then you can be arrested for trespassing. I didn't say that was the case at UC. I was referring to privately owned property and in that case I am correct. Nothing I've said conflicts with your response.

Also, why can't agents of a public school can't eject people from its property? I go to a public school and I've seen it happen.
Screaming obscenities on the free speech area or skateboarding in the cafeteria probably aren't against the law, but I would be very surprised if you weren't ejected from campus for doing either.
I'm genuinely curious, because after reading PC 602, I see no mention of schools, so you might be correct.

Oh my goodness... the FUD in this thread is strong....

I work on a college campus and done TONS of research on this. Bottom line is that you are exempt from 626.9 PC if you have a LTC. That means you can carry on any college or university campus in the state with your LTC, and the worst they can legally do is ask you to leave (unless, of course, you're an employee or a student and they have a no-firearms policy). The situation with UC schools is even better, because they can't even ask you to leave.

No LTC = no campus carry. Not even locked, unloaded, and in the trunk of your car. (as an aside: this really sucks for those of us that work at colleges, since we can't even do simple things like keep our guns locked up for an after work range trip)

Just carry it. It's legal, and you'll be doing a service to thousands of students for the few minutes you're on their campus by providing protection against an active shooter situation.

Big Ben
09-01-2011, 2:04 PM
Oh my goodness... the FUD in this thread is strong....

I work on a college campus and done TONS of research on this. Bottom line is that you are exempt from 626.9 PC if you have a LTC. That means you can carry on any college or university campus in the state with your LTC, and the worst they can legally do is ask you to leave (unless, of course, you're an employee or a student and they have a no-firearms policy). The situation with UC schools is even better, because they can't even ask you to leave.



Why do you say at a UC school they can't ask you to leave? I agree that there is far too much FUD in this thread. Everything else you've said is correct, so I'm not trying to contradict you or pick a fight ... I'd just like to know why you say that, and what is the source of your information.

If it is truly the case that the UC system can't ask you to leave, what about other public schools (i.e. CSU system, Community College systems, and even public K-12s).

As a second point, it would seem to me that even if they can't legally ask you to leave for carrying, they are very likely to do so if they become aware of it. And once you ignore the request to leave, then you are in danger of a trespassing charge.

Gray Peterson
09-01-2011, 2:30 PM
Why do you say at a UC school they can't ask you to leave? I agree that there is far too much FUD in this thread. Everything else you've said is correct, so I'm not trying to contradict you or pick a fight ... I'd just like to know why you say that, and what is the source of your information.

If it is truly the case that the UC system can't ask you to leave, what about other public schools (i.e. CSU system, Community College systems, and even public K-12s).

As a second point, it would seem to me that even if they can't legally ask you to leave for carrying, they are very likely to do so if they become aware of it. And once you ignore the request to leave, then you are in danger of a trespassing charge.

Please read up on Fiscal (proposition H San Francisco Handgun ban case).

Government Code
53071. It is the intention of the Legislature to occupy the whole field of regulation of the registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms as encompassed by the provisions of the Penal Code, and such provisions shall be exclusive of all local regulations, relating to registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms, by any political subdivision as defined in Section 1721 of the Labor Code.

Labor Code:

1721. "Political subdivision" includes any county, city, district,
public housing authority, or public agency of the state, and
assessment or improvement districts.

UC is a public agency of the state.

Librarian
09-01-2011, 2:51 PM
Please read up on Fiscal (proposition H San Francisco Handgun ban case).

Government Code
53071. It is the intention of the Legislature to occupy the whole field of regulation of the registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms as encompassed by the provisions of the Penal Code, and such provisions shall be exclusive of all local regulations, relating to registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms, by any political subdivision as defined in Section 1721 of the Labor Code.

Labor Code:

1721. "Political subdivision" includes any county, city, district,
public housing authority, or public agency of the state, and
assessment or improvement districts.

UC is a public agency of the state.

I don't think 53071 reads that way. Could be wrong, of course, but what that says to me is that San Francisco or UC Davis could not make up their own 'license to possess' for their residents or students. Seems to have no application to persons licensed, just to firearms licensed.

I do think that 'trespass' for a legal and licensed behavior ought to be off the table, but it doesn't seem to me that GC 53071 is the vehicle.

paul0660
09-01-2011, 3:04 PM
Great thread. Point others to it.

Big Ben
09-01-2011, 3:51 PM
Please read up on Fiscal (proposition H San Francisco Handgun ban case).

UC is a public agency of the state.

Thanks for the reference. I just quickly read through the summary in the CGF Wiki. I'm obviously far from versed on the case (and will take time to read in additional detail in the future), but based on a first pass, I don't see a direct correlation between the two issues. This may be naive, or I may be missing additional nuances within Fiscal, but it seems to address attempts to ban/regulate firearms within a municipality (the City/County of SF), and indicates that the City/County was attempting to preempt state law. The UC policy attempts to prohibit possession in certain public facilities (i.e. UC campuses), similar to existing prohibitions in other Federal and State facilities (post office, courthouses, etc).

While I certainly see the relationship between the two, I don't think that it is sufficiently on point to the issue to prevent having to leave campus as requested if one were "caught" carrying.

Is there anything else out there that one could cite if the situation arose? Specifically, I'm thinking of a situation of being requested/escorted off campus by the campus police (in my mind the most likely scenario if one were "caught" carrying on campus with a LTC). Is there anything else out there that one could reference that is more specific, or is Fiscal the best available at present? Of course, if citing PC 626.9(I) doesn't prevent you from getting escorted out, I don't imagine that much else will help.

Thanks in advance!

Kid Stanislaus
09-01-2011, 4:09 PM
Why leave it at home? The law says you can carry on a UC campus...you were given the PC sections...what more do you need?

Some people are so meek they've got to be held by the hand and patted on the butt just to walk across the street!:eek:

Treb5
09-01-2011, 9:38 PM
Some people are so meek they've got to be held by the hand and patted on the butt just to walk across the street!:eek:

I guess this sarcastic smart *** remark is directed at me. Right now I am much more concerned about my terminally ill pet than I am about what you think.

I made my decision not to carry on campus after speaking with my issuing agency and the UC Davis PD. It was my decision and mine alone.

You need to get a life and quit condemning others for their decisions.

Sometimes silence is golden.

Quiet
09-01-2011, 9:42 PM
If you have a valid CA LTC permit, you can legally carry on campus.

However, as a student of the college/university, you can be expelled for the college/university system for legally carrying if you are found to be possessing a "deadly weapon" on campus.

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
09-01-2011, 10:22 PM
I don't think I have ever seen so many opposing posts in a single thread before! This is making my head spin!

InGrAM
09-01-2011, 10:38 PM
Keep it in your backpack in a little zip up planner type case with no lock. Done.

Big Ben
09-02-2011, 8:43 AM
I made my decision not to carry on campus after speaking with my issuing agency and the UC Davis PD. It was my decision and mine alone.


Treb -

I'm interested to know what the UC Davis PD said when you spoke with them. Who did you speak to, and what was their response? Not challenging your decision, but I'd like to know if they understand the law and the fact that their campus policy doesn't supercede it. As you said, the decision is yours, and don't worry about the snide comments. I think you've done the right thing in trying to gather information and make the right decision for you.

Again, I'm sorry to hear about your dog, and hope things turn out for the best.

Kid Stanislaus
09-02-2011, 4:43 PM
I guess this sarcastic smart *** remark is directed at me. Right now I am much more concerned about my terminally ill pet than I am about what you think. I made my decision not to carry on campus after speaking with my issuing agency and the UC Davis PD. It was my decision and mine alone. You need to get a life and quit condemning others for their decisions. Sometimes silence is golden.

You might say the same thing for a smidgeon of courage.;)

EDIT: BTW I hope your dog is OK, I've got a couple myself and I know how they work their way into our hearts.

Kid Stanislaus
09-02-2011, 4:45 PM
If you have a valid CA LTC permit, you can legally carry on campus. However, as a student of the college/university, you can be expelled for the college/university system for legally carrying if you are found to be possessing a "deadly weapon" on campus.

It looks like we need a test case to see if the college president can pre-empt CA gun laws. ;)

Werewolf1021
09-02-2011, 5:35 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=443487