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LHC30
08-31-2011, 6:57 AM
Short article, but read the comments. Apparently they are translations from Chinese sources.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/guns-in-america-wal-marts-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

bob7122
08-31-2011, 7:07 AM
中国人都期待航母:

The reason why America allows the ordinary people to possess guns is to prevent dictatorship…when that happens, the people can revolt…
Over time, Americans have developed the habit of not using guns even if they have them. Or maybe they are bound by ideas of individual heroism, believing that men should use fists to fight it out, and not relying on guns.
But in our country, the once proper so quick to resort to taking up knives, if there were guns, definitely within 10 years, the population of Chinese people would probably be reduced by half…haha.
PS: America as a country has the highest penetration of firearms in the world, with one gun per capita, but the number of Americans that die under the barrel of a gun are only a trivial 30,000…

interesting quote from one person on there.

MrClamperSir
08-31-2011, 7:10 AM
Yeah the comments were interesting to say the least. It seems they equate firearms to a decline in moral or peaceful society.

daveinwoodland
08-31-2011, 7:16 AM
Interesting article. The comments say it all.

SanPedroShooter
08-31-2011, 7:18 AM
I didnt really see any comments about Americans being in decline or uncivilised, more of the opposite really. It seemed like most of the comments were about how people in China cant be trusted with guns and attempts to explain how free government is supposed to work. I did sense a tone of wistfulness... What is the first thing a lot of foriegn tourists do in Vegas or Hawaii?

VW*Mike
08-31-2011, 7:24 AM
wow

AVgunGUY
08-31-2011, 7:30 AM
Yeah the comments were interesting to say the least. It seems they equate firearms to a decline in moral or peaceful society.

...in China.

But there is also the theme that the US is disciplined and "in harmony" (not like the river crab - which I guess is a disaster).

But there was never a comment that proposed that an armed society results in harmony - only that harmony allows for an armed society.

stix213
08-31-2011, 7:42 AM
When everyone has guns, no one is afraid of a few people having guns. If it is fear of overthrowing the government, there is no need. If the current government in power truly doesn’t follow the people’s will, in four years at most, they will have to step down and at worst there are still impeachment procedures. There is no need to use knives and guns [no need for violence], truly not worth it. If one wants to express one’s political views, one can organize one’s own political party. Although America in reality is only a two-party system, there still exist other political parties, and what more, the constitution protects the participation of every political party, with the most powerful non-mainstream parties like the Green Party normally getting around 10% of the vote. If one day, this party were to replace the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, the constitution would also protect it. And when there is social disorder, there is the SWAT. With so many people having guns in America, I don’t think a little handgun or a small hunting rifle can cause any social impact.

This guy largely gets it ^^^^^ When you read that quote, remember China is a one party system.

goodlookin1
08-31-2011, 7:51 AM
This guy largely gets it ^^^^^ When you read that quote, remember China is a one party system.

Right.....except for the last sentence.

We saw what happened when one crazed man with a gun (Laughner) can spur the socialists/communists/fascists in Congress. Fortunately for us, nothing significant has come up from it. But I think we are one more mass-casualty event from another AWB. 'Course, we're already oppressed with an AWB (semi-auto ban) here in CA.

One man with one gun CAN make a difference, fortunately AND unfortunately....

Mulay El Raisuli
08-31-2011, 8:12 AM
I didnt really see any comments about Americans being in decline or uncivilised, more of the opposite really. It seemed like most of the comments were about how people in China cant be trusted with guns and attempts to explain how free government is supposed to work. I did sense a tone of wistfulness...


I sensed the same thing. Especially with this comment:

Because the hostility between their people is not as deep as it is with us, which is to say they are harmonious in the true meaning and not river crab.* Hehe

(From ChinaSmack glossary)*"“River crab” is a pun for 和谐 [héxié], “harmonious。” It is used to avoid possible censorship and to mock the Chinese government’s efforts to promote a “harmonious society.”



What is the first thing a lot of foriegn tourists do in Vegas or Hawaii?


They lose their shirts (from gambling/swimming)?


The Raisuli

SanPedroShooter
08-31-2011, 8:21 AM
ha ha, they pay inflated prices to shoot at indoor ranges.

dominic
08-31-2011, 8:23 AM
Interesting view into the mentality of a very down-trodden people.

Stonewalker
08-31-2011, 10:27 AM
Sad, many commentators say that the Chinese people cannot be trusted with guns. How would you like to wake up everyday believing the only reason your neighbors aren't killing you is because they don't have guns.

Here are a couple quotes -
I think the American Constitution has a part that says the citizens have the right to overthrow an authoritarian government…it is what I have heard, not sure if it is true or not.
But in China, that is not possible, and the key is that the character of the people [on average] is not there yet. If firearms were available for sale in China, then we’d probably have to wear bullet-proof vests in order to go out.
Our country’s people have treachery/trouble-making in their bones. You can see it now, in all of China, no one respects anyone else. Learned men scorn each other and military men are lowly to each other, this place cursing that place. If everyone in China had guns, then the country would be torn apart. Even though everyone speaks Chinese, everyone has a different heart. Are we lacking lessons from history?!!

No wonder people go amok there. It's not even a simple mistrust of their neighbors, it's a well-thought out philosophy of societal psychopathy. I'm glad I wasn't born there.

ScottB
08-31-2011, 10:38 AM
Yeah the comments were interesting to say the least. It seems they equate firearms to a decline in moral or peaceful society.

More like the opposite. They seem to understand our freedom and inate sense of social responsibility more than many Americans do. They also have little faith in their own responsibility. I am surprised that they can speak so admiringly about our political system and society at the expense of their own. We are always told that kind of talk can get you in trouble over there.

atv
08-31-2011, 11:12 AM
No wonder people go amok there. It's not even a simple mistrust of their neighbors, it's a well-thought out philosophy of societal psychopathy. I'm glad I wasn't born there.

You are forming your opinion on Chinese people via a few comments on a blog?

Stonewalker
08-31-2011, 11:17 AM
You are forming your opinion on Chinese people via a few comments on a blog?

:chris:



I'm just glad of the world-view that I have. I may be naive, but I'm optimistic about people.

doubledgarage
08-31-2011, 12:04 PM
I thought China (at least the government) hated our right to bear arms because it contradicted our stance in human rights.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2011/04/china-hr.html

This was definitely an eye opener.

jccam
08-31-2011, 1:28 PM
I thought China (at least the government) hated our right to bear arms because it contradicted our stance in human rights.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2011/04/china-hr.html

This was definitely an eye opener.


Funny... I've heard our own Democrat politicians say the same things as that document! Maybe it was cribbed from someone's campaign speech! Or "Democracy Now!" (Ever notice how you can gauge the silliness of a protestor by whether their slogan has the word "Now!" at the end of it? Please, friends of RKBA, resist the urge to append "Now!" to anything.)

ZirconJohn
08-31-2011, 1:42 PM
Reads to me like the majority of comments are to please their Government
monitoring system. They know they are being watched very-very closely,
and so... they speak with very-very carefully chosen words.

In other words... they fear a proverbial ban hammer of intense proportions...!

The contrast between these translated comments from China compared to
U.S. comments is deafening!

jcardona1
08-31-2011, 1:44 PM
QFT!!!!!!!!!! They would eat everything that moves.

Imagine for a moment, if we were to sell guns in this manner, I think those domestic tigers, birds, bears, these animals basically could no longer survive.

Dark Paladin
08-31-2011, 1:48 PM
QFT!!!!!!!!!! They would eat everything that moves. Imagine for a moment, if we were to sell guns in this manner, I think those domestic tigers, birds, bears, these animals basically could no longer survive.

Well. . . tiger meat is suppose to help with male libido. . . just saying. . . :D

Maestro Pistolero
08-31-2011, 1:48 PM
Love this comment:Only with citizens who have high restraint and a society with relatively few injustices would [a country] dare be like this.Amen.

Zimz
08-31-2011, 1:49 PM
More like the opposite. They seem to understand our freedom and inate sense of social responsibility more than many Americans do. They also have little faith in their own responsibility. I am surprised that they can speak so admiringly about our political system and society at the expense of their own. We are always told that kind of talk can get you in trouble over there.

This is true of any people who have been opressed and find their way to America. Our little squabbles and rants we have, even here in CA, are miniscule problems compared to an opressed people. We truly do live in freedom and we shouldn't take it for granted.

The Shadow
09-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Sad, many commentators say that the Chinese people cannot be trusted with guns. How would you like to wake up everyday believing the only reason your neighbors aren't killing you is because they don't have guns.

Here are a couple quotes -

I think the American Constitution has a part that says the citizens have the right to overthrow an authoritarian government…it is what I have heard, not sure if it is true or not.
But in China, that is not possible, and the key is that the character of the people [on average] is not there yet. If firearms were available for sale in China, then we’d probably have to wear bullet-proof vests in order to go out.

Our country’s people have treachery/trouble-making in their bones. You can see it now, in all of China, no one respects anyone else. Learned men scorn each other and military men are lowly to each other, this place cursing that place. If everyone in China had guns, then the country would be torn apart. Even though everyone speaks Chinese, everyone has a different heart. Are we lacking lessons from history?!!

No wonder people go amok there. It's not even a simple mistrust of their neighbors, it's a well-thought out philosophy of societal psychopathy. I'm glad I wasn't born there.

I think it's a tribal thing and China's no different.

The United States has a general cohesion because the United States grew as a nation and was not formed from tribes, clans or otherwise. In all seriousness, does anyone think the United States would have been formed by North American Indian tribes ? Scotland couldn't get their act together because of the clans fighting with each other. Look at Africa. The people there have a deeper bigotry for each other than even the KKK can muster. And from the comments in that article, the Chinese haven't changed in the centuries that the country has existed. So it's no surprise to me.

sarabellum
09-01-2011, 3:52 PM
This guy largely gets it ^^^^^ When you read that quote, remember China is a one party system.

Sadly, so are we. Both parties, republican and democrat, share the same ideology- that of being tools of corporations.

I appreciate the articulate and thoughtful insights of the Chinese people commenting, "Our country’s people have treachery/trouble-making in their bones. You can see it now, in all of China, no one respects anyone else. Learned men scorn each other and military men are lowly to each other, this place cursing that place. If everyone in China had guns, then the country would be torn apart. Even though everyone speaks Chinese, everyone has a different heart. Are we lacking lessons from history?!!" Their comments reflect Chinese sensibilities.

The Chinese commenters do have some misconceptions about firearms in the US- namely that they are easy to buy as groceries, that the US government fears the people, and that the US Constitution contains a right to overthrow the government. If the folks in China only knew about the authoritarian and anti-democratic tendencies in our society, they would have a different impression regarding the common folks' struggle to hold onto the narrow content of the 2nd Amendment.

We are sorely in need of a constitutional convention.

Anchors
09-01-2011, 4:37 PM
Very interesting. It is sad to see some of the comments carry such a defeated tone. It seems to me they have grown up being taught the people of China can't be trusted with firearms by the government and they accept that as fact.

Sounds like a lot of antis here who don't trust themselves and project it on others. Though their contrasting view of guns in America is very interesting.

But as someone else said, this is just one blog.

john.t.singh
09-01-2011, 4:50 PM
regardless:

Imagine for a moment, if we were to sell guns in this manner, I think those domestic tigers, birds, bears, these animals basically could no longer survive.

best comment

oni.dori
09-01-2011, 5:07 PM
Very interesting, it almost seems that they admire the US, and wish that they could attain something of the same in their country. I wish a majority of the people in this country could see this and hopefully realize how good they have it.

Nodda Duma
09-01-2011, 5:31 PM
Also reads like the Chinese are not allowed to read the US Constitution.

edit to add: looks like our founding documents have been translated into chinese.. interesting reading

http://granitestudio.org/2007/07/03/%E7%8B%AC%E7%AB%8B%E5%AE%A3%E8%A8%80-the-declaration-of-independence-in-chinese/