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californa
08-27-2011, 5:00 PM
Hi guys Im proud to say I own a Ruger :D. Today I went to the local range and was able to hit .5 moa at 50 yards with my 10/22. It is fitted with a inexpensive 3x9 simmons scope and a Tapco interfuse stock, all internal parts are stock. I was using blazer 500 bulk ammo which runs better than most bulk ammo in my 10/22. I started with about a 3 inch group for warm up then progressed to the .5 inch. I used a .223 for size reference in the pictures. A few fellow Calgunners explained the importance of breathing control and trigger squeeze. I took there advise and my accuracy has now improved vastly. I plan on switching to a modified trigger to 3 pounds for easier use.

TKM
08-27-2011, 5:24 PM
http://www.usashooting.com/clubMap.php

sequoia_nomad
08-27-2011, 5:27 PM
Nice shooting, great example of what the 10/22 factory barrel is capable of.:thumbsup:

Dannicus
08-27-2011, 5:32 PM
.5 inch would be about 1 MOA @ 50 yards. Still nice.

Shellshocker66
08-27-2011, 6:22 PM
Did you pick up your Blazer ammo at River City Gun Exchange? Pretty good prices on it there and only complaint so far I have with it is one misfire out of 300 rounds.

californa
08-27-2011, 7:45 PM
I did buy them at river city. Great price and my ruger Spits them out pretty accurately.

MongooseV8
08-28-2011, 7:20 AM
Great shooting. My 10/22 really likes Blazer too ;)

Shellshocker66
08-28-2011, 7:33 AM
It's kinda funny last time I went out to shoot, the range master came up and picked up a box of my blazer and said "I didn't know they made this stuff anymore". I got the feeling he was kinda anti blazer ammo from the little smirk on his face. Oh well the stuff shoots just fine and for $15.99 a box for 500 rounds who is going to complain?

Ak707
08-30-2011, 11:30 AM
my buddy has an old 22 rifle, i think its a marlin. We were goofing around at the range the other day and he put 4 shots in a row touching each other at 100 yards with iron sights. Then i shot it and almost did the same thing. Sometimes you get lucky =)

CHS
08-30-2011, 1:36 PM
Uhhh, .5MOA is not a half-inch at 50 yards.

1MOA is.

shadow65
08-30-2011, 1:49 PM
Uhhh, .5MOA is not a half-inch at 50 yards.

1MOA is.

Correct

mif_slim
08-30-2011, 1:50 PM
Uhhh, .5MOA is not a half-inch at 50 yards.

1MOA is.

lol, I was gonna say that too...


anyways, we all know what he meant!

OP: Nice shooting!

Noxx
08-30-2011, 5:41 PM
my buddy has an old 22 rifle, i think its a marlin. We were goofing around at the range the other day and he put 4 shots in a row touching each other at 100 yards with iron sights. Then i shot it and almost did the same thing. Sometimes you get lucky =)

Marlin 20A? Octagonal barrel with a pump and reed mag? Those came with outstanding heavy barrels that really made the .22LR work for you. I've seen similar results with my Win67, even with it's atrocious trigger. They definitely don't make them like they used to.

To the OP, you can lighten the 10/22 considerably yourself, with just an india stone and some patience. There are a few videos floating around the net to aid in a simple trigger job.

Besides if you booger it up, you then have a perfectly good excuse to buy a Timney drop in unit! :devil2:

G38xOC
08-30-2011, 7:12 PM
i always thought 1MOA = 1inch group .. thats strange

btw op , nice shooting . with my savage mark , i was about ur group as well . so i decide to move to 100yrds , i was shooting pretty decent n felt like my grouping would just double up since i double up yardage too . but no.. lol that wasnt the case . my group went about 6-7 inch . then i decide to move up slowly , currently at 75yards working hard =)

five.five-six
08-30-2011, 7:14 PM
very nice

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112200&d=1314492707

five.five-six
08-30-2011, 7:17 PM
i always thought 1MOA = 1inch group .. thats strange

btw op , nice shooting . with my savage mark , i was about ur group as well . so i decide to move to 100yrds , i was shooting pretty decent n felt like my grouping would just double up since i double up yardage too . but no.. lol that wasnt the case . my group went about 6-7 inch . then i decide to move up slowly , currently at 75yards working hard =)


moa = minute of arc,

1 minute = 1/60th of a degree

just happens to work out to almost exactly 1" at 100 yards

at 50 yards .5MOA ~ .25"

CSACANNONEER
08-30-2011, 7:33 PM
i always thought 1MOA = 1inch group .. thats strange



MINUTE OF ANGLE.

Otherwise, see below.

moa = minute of arc,

1 minute = 1/60th of a degree

just happens to work out to almost exactly 1" at 100 yards

at 50 yards .5MOA ~ .25"

If, after reading this, you still don't understand the concept, think about two lines which form an angle (any angle), The farther from the apex of the angle, the farther the lines are from each other. The angle (such as "2moa") remain constant while the distances between the lines varies but is dirrectly proportional to the distance from the appex.

FastFinger
08-30-2011, 7:37 PM
MINUTE OF ANGLE.

Otherwise, see below.



If, after reading this, you still don't understand the concept, think about two lines which form an angle (any angle), The farther from the apex of the angle, the farther the lines are from each other. The angle (such as "2moa") remain constant while the distances between the lines varies but is dirrectly proportional to the distance from the appex.

What do you think you are... a surveyor?

CSACANNONEER
08-30-2011, 8:00 PM
What do you think you are... a surveyor?

For anything +100 feet, I try to hold a tolerance of +/- 5 seconds of angle.:D

five.five-six
08-30-2011, 8:00 PM
MINUTE OF ANGLE.

Otherwise, see below.



If, after reading this, you still don't understand the concept, think about two lines which form an angle (any angle), The farther from the apex of the angle, the farther the lines are from each other. The angle (such as "2moa") remain constant while the distances between the lines varies but is dirrectly proportional to the distance from the appex.

somehow your explanation confused me :confused:

J/K


I always think of it like a protractor

five.five-six
08-30-2011, 8:02 PM
For anything +100 feet, I try to hold a tolerance of +/- 5 seconds of angle.:D

so a seccond is 1/60th of a minute, right? how far is that on the surface of earth?

CSACANNONEER
08-30-2011, 8:50 PM
20 seconds of angle is approximately 0.01' @ 100'. So, 5 seconds is approximately 0.01' at 400'.

bballwizard05
08-30-2011, 8:54 PM
I've always thought the 10/22 is underrated as far as accuracy. I've put two holes within an inch of each other at 175 yards. There was some luck involved, but at least I know the gun itself is capable. That was with a 4x scope too... I need a 9x! Good shooting OP.

brianinca
08-30-2011, 8:57 PM
I went for the Clark Power Custom drop in kit for the trigger in my 10/22. Made a HUGE difference. Good value for money, $55 for >3 lbs and perfectly crisp. I'm mechanically interested, not mechanically inclined, and it was no problem to install for me.

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/1022parts.htm#743

Regards,
Brian in CA

brianinca
08-30-2011, 8:57 PM
Edited to delete double post, but SHEESH!!

>>>
at 50 yards .5MOA ~ .25"
>>>

Really? Let's think about this, 1.047" at 100 yards reduces down to .25" at 50 yards? No.


Regards,
Brian in CA

Lc17smp
08-30-2011, 9:12 PM
I have a ruger 10/22 ss and am also amazed at how accurate it is with iron sights. I feel like Vassili with that thing in my hands. :eek:

gratefuldog
08-30-2011, 9:15 PM
Yes, really.

1MOA @ 100 yds. = 1.047"
1MOA @ 50 yds. = .50235"
.5MOA @ 50 yds pretty damned near = .25" !

TheDeltaForce
08-31-2011, 5:28 AM
Honestly, I'm not surprised. I have (2) Ruger 10/22's, and I love them both. What does your rest look like?

I like CCI ammo as too. For 50 yards I use standard velocity. For my 100 yard rifle I use CCI mini-mags that run about 1475 fps.

I also use Wolf Target and RWS at 50 yards. This gets me .25-.50" groups if I really concentrate on breathing on a completely calm day. I can live with that!

Here's my 50-yard rig, which has a Simmons scope on it.

This is the Ruger USA Shooting Team Talo Edition. Wonder feel and beautiful stock.

- The Delta Force

https://by2.storage.live.com/items/DEFDA2B6254465FD!200:Scaled1024/Talo1022-Front.JPG?psid=1&ck=0&ex=720

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pmUB3FbyCjG7brfzd_tBQpZoIZ0256oS6NTXO5ZA6ZPL2i_l NUwuOc8W-bxs0azUrqYop_IWCmgB93dlcaf4MAw/Talo1022-TriggerThumbhole.JPG?psid=1

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1plFDxPdLITWpMeLsfrTeCTJcjbXWMjf29nOphq-UJIMrIX4yx0krq184qSP7UAymbyrkrEo84l8PWoQES5TZ17A/Talo1022-RR-Bottom.JPG?psid=1

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1peF3QpgvcEoZZCBNIN3xH0PyiGV0xiucnP0LYchihFAx2dbm cdtB7Of2FlZpp9FhpFqz1j78y7XNMDDBQQBx_fg/Talo1022-Scope.JPG?psid=1

surfNshoot
08-31-2011, 7:38 AM
Wow. With that little hole you can easily compete here. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=461929

Almost done this month but will post new targets for next month tomorrow.

xibunkrlilkidsx
08-31-2011, 7:56 AM
What do you think you are... a surveyor?

20 seconds of angle is approximately 0.01' @ 100'. So, 5 seconds is approximately 0.01' at 400'.
I'm gonna go with he is, i know your post was sarcastic.

But really that is some tight tolerances to hold at that range. very impressive.



OP. good shooting. i always tell people they dont need to drop big coin on fancy hardware for their 10/22, they shot very well on their own from the factory.

CSACANNONEER
08-31-2011, 8:05 AM
I'm gonna go with he is, i know your post was sarcastic.

But really that is some tight tolerances to hold at that range. very impressive.



OP. good shooting. i always tell people they dont need to drop big coin on fancy hardware for their 10/22, they shot very well on their own from the factory.

FastFinger knows me. I am a surveyor. Sure we all strive to hold tight tolerances. But, the reality is that they are not always as tight as we would like. Errors (from sighting, equipment being slightly out of adjustment, earth movement, etc.) accumulate constantly. Sometimes, I'm lucky to hold 30 seconds at 1000 feet.

Izzy43
08-31-2011, 4:01 PM
Wow. With that little hole you can easily compete here. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=461929

Almost done this month but will post new targets for next month tomorrow.

What he ^ said. To the OP, nice shooting. Try some ammo like Wolf Match Target (or some other standard velocity ammo) and you'll probably see your groups shrink considerably.

Izzy43
08-31-2011, 4:33 PM
i always thought 1MOA = 1inch group .. thats strange

btw op , nice shooting . with my savage mark , i was about ur group as well . so i decide to move to 100yrds , i was shooting pretty decent n felt like my grouping would just double up since i double up yardage too . but no.. lol that wasnt the case . my group went about 6-7 inch . then i decide to move up slowly , currently at 75yards working hard =)

Its pretty common to have .22lr ammo shoot pretty good groups @ 25 and 50 yds but when you move out to 100yds the real accuracy of the ammo starts to show up, either good or as usual it gets worse. This is particularly true of High Velocity ammo. Higher priced Standard Velocity ammo tends to be more accurate at longer ranges.

Izzy43
08-31-2011, 4:35 PM
Honestly, I'm not surprised. I have (2) Ruger 10/22's, and I love them both. What does your rest look like?

I like CCI ammo as too. For 50 yards I use standard velocity. For my 100 yard rifle I use CCI mini-mags that run about 1475 fps.

I also use Wolf Target and RWS at 50 yards. This gets me .25-.50" groups if I really concentrate on breathing on a completely calm day. I can live with that!

Here's my 50-yard rig, which has a Simmons scope on it.

This is the Ruger USA Shooting Team Talo Edition. Wonder feel and beautiful stock.

- The Delta Force

https://by2.storage.live.com/items/DEFDA2B6254465FD!200:Scaled1024/Talo1022-Front.JPG?psid=1&ck=0&ex=720

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pmUB3FbyCjG7brfzd_tBQpZoIZ0256oS6NTXO5ZA6ZPL2i_l NUwuOc8W-bxs0azUrqYop_IWCmgB93dlcaf4MAw/Talo1022-TriggerThumbhole.JPG?psid=1

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1plFDxPdLITWpMeLsfrTeCTJcjbXWMjf29nOphq-UJIMrIX4yx0krq184qSP7UAymbyrkrEo84l8PWoQES5TZ17A/Talo1022-RR-Bottom.JPG?psid=1

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1peF3QpgvcEoZZCBNIN3xH0PyiGV0xiucnP0LYchihFAx2dbm cdtB7Of2FlZpp9FhpFqz1j78y7XNMDDBQQBx_fg/Talo1022-Scope.JPG?psid=1

BEE-YOU-TEE-FULL Rifle. An heirloom for sure. I'm jealous.:taz::taz:

BajaJames83
08-31-2011, 4:36 PM
nice....
most guns are capable of shooting better than their owners...
i know mine are...

TheDeltaForce
08-31-2011, 6:34 PM
Hey Izzy, if you liked my 50-yard USA Talo rig, then check out my first 10/22, which is my 100-yard rifle.

https://by2.storage.live.com/items/DEFDA2B6254465FD!234:Scaled1024/DSC_0696.JPG?psid=1&ck=0&ex=720

I happened across this at a gun show back about 2003. It looked brand new, and the seller was a shop owner who made target rifles for silhouette shooting I believe.

https://by2.storage.live.com/items/DEFDA2B6254465FD!236:Scaled1024/DSC_0708.JPG?psid=1&ck=0&ex=720

https://by2.storage.live.com/items/DEFDA2B6254465FD!239:Scaled1024/DSC_0711.JPG?psid=1&ck=0&ex=720

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1p70aS1N5Xw_tucM_27alHEXDzwLKNCkcqjdpjicf7SXW3ZGV 9bn16MP4gyXLBe9k7nVJP70sJlBNkHy4vYEAmXw/RugerCstmTrigger.JPG?psid=1

I got the rifle for like $500.00. I have no idea why there is an aluminum brake/comp on it, and I can't get it off, and it doesn't hurt anything, so I've just left it on. Here's the specs:

- Ruger 10/22 receiver.
- Volquartsen adjustable trigger assembly.
- Eurathane bolt recoil buffer.
- FA Enterprises birch wood target stock with multiple adjustments.
- Midway (Green Mt.) stainless steel fluted target barrel.
- Custom aluminum brake/compensator.
- Mueller 8.5-2550 APV Eraticator Scope.
- Dednutz scope base (high).

- The Delta Force

G38xOC
08-31-2011, 6:36 PM
^ that thing looks wicked !

brianinca
08-31-2011, 8:55 PM
>>>
when you move out to 100yds the real accuracy of the ammo starts to show up
>>>

Wind makes a BIG difference. My club range is funny for wind, it's a bowl and the BR guys go nuts with flags.

Wolf Match Target (not Extra), 10 shots at 100 yards but ~830AM before the wind gets really crazy, A&B closeout .920 barrel from Midway, Clark trigger, at the time a Tasco World Class Plus 3.5-10x50 (now an Elite 4200 6-24x40 AO Mildot):

https://5402408240196374128-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/rfc1812/home/transfers-from-pages/1022-WOLF-100YDS-full.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cqvrfeNiUzvtVgVuwQqwighC8 n7WWuYdZSPQkvIYWmI4TJwTovGL4GChjL7y7QMjMjuYea-SDCIFxlRNEJD8-aTfeifKxQ7eDHUZ95mWi43TG0SEzKQ_YO6C6Isx7wVZfRaf1A5 4zGVLyV4-E_9Ce2yIdvHrG2MfzYXoNkChL8WQfwj3uE6tZBKAf_GcXKa4AV XnKMAhapKdy0XbgvjPdv8C3Omb8k_J2l9aLlKzvVPRgZBkxrKr Q-EIm6ICwWrXfyEl_hn&attredirects=0

I use On Target as a nice tool to figure out real group sizes, this 10 shot group at 100 yards worked out to be .78 MOA. If you think your 22LR is accurate, shoot it at 100 yards.

Regards,
Brian in CA

MrExel17
09-01-2011, 12:03 AM
Sweet nice groups, love my 10/22 too, Cheers!

mif_slim
09-01-2011, 6:28 AM
One time I got a .22" group at 270 yards. I know there ws no luck in it, it was all skills. I've done it multiple time so I've confirmed it.

Ps: I forgot to add that that was a 1 shot group. :D

californa
09-04-2011, 9:19 AM
Thanks guys. I just ordered a Volquartsen hammer and spring from Midway for $32.50 (not bad). Hope it makes the trigger pull a little lighter and less stiff.

BayouBullets
09-08-2011, 5:44 PM
Yes, really.

1MOA @ 100 yds. = 1.047"
1MOA @ 50 yds. = .50235"
.5MOA @ 50 yds pretty damned near = .25" !

Correct.
Group size and distance to target are BOTH required to calculate MOA. Any variation in angle of flight becomes exaggerated the farther the bullets travel. For example... At 200 yards 1 MOA is 2.094" across. At 100 yards 1 moa is 1.047 inches. At half that distance, 50 yards, the group would need to be half that size (.50235") to still be only one MOA. So, at 50 yds. a group would have to measure .251175" to measure .5 MOA.
That notwithstanding, the shooter appears to have managed a 1 MOA or maybe slightly sub-MOA group. Nothing to sneeze at. Very good group.