View Full Version : Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 PM Short-Dot Preview

08-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Here are some pics below. If you want more, we've posted many more pics on the CST Online Magazine at the link below:

Sneak Peak: Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 PM Short Dot (http://www.cstactical.com/Magazine/Blog-Articles/Articles-Optic-Reviews/Sneak-Peak-Schmidt-Bender-1-8x24-PM-Short-Dot.html)

This is the Schmidt & Bender Short Dot 1-8x24mm with a Mil Dot CC Reticle. I have it mounted to a 6.8 upper built by Specialized Dynamics (www.specializeddynamics.com)


S&B 1-8x24mm Short Dot and Leupold 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS



Mike @ CST

08-23-2011, 3:53 PM
That's just begging to be mounted on a 16" MWS ;)

08-23-2011, 4:01 PM
What is the pricing on the S&B?

Time of Flight
08-23-2011, 4:03 PM
Come on brother! You have to give us a little more than a name and a few pics!!!

Hows the glass? More importantly, is it a true 1x or does it have a slight amount of magnification??

08-23-2011, 5:30 PM
Seeing how it's an upgraded Short Dot, the glass will be top notch and no, it won't be a true 1x like an Aimpoint or EOTech. Basic optical physics prevents that, unless S&B came up with a solution. Still, at the lowest magnification setting, it doesn't have the edge distortion you get with the cheaper 1-4x. It's pretty seamless from my experience.

08-23-2011, 6:06 PM
Anyone have any experience with the Leupolds 1.1x8 CQBSS?

08-23-2011, 6:37 PM
It's a tank and probably the best tactical scope Leupold has made thus far. It's what they should have made back in 2003 but instead made the CQC/T-whatever. It's feature rich and pricey to boot.

08-24-2011, 6:20 AM
Thanks Brando.. I'm assuming the S&B will cost more than the Leupolds. I believe the Leupolds retail for $3.1k.

08-24-2011, 2:12 PM
Actually, I think the Short Dot is still cheaper than the Leupold. I know that's traditionally NOT been the case, but the the CQBSS is running well above $3k and the Short Dots have traditionally been between $2.4-2.6k

08-24-2011, 2:54 PM
That's good news. I was assuming the 1-8 would be would be more because the $2.4k-$2.6k Short Dots were only 1-4.

08-24-2011, 3:09 PM
These two 1-8x optics have been a bit of "coming full circle." As I've mentioned, the need for a variable low-powered optic with integrated RDS arose out of the Oct 1993 battle in Mogadishu. Throughout the late 90s Leupold struggled to develop one that met SOF requirements. By 9/11 what they delivered didn't meet the requirement and this didn't particularly bother them as they'd decided to mass produce this new optic anyway and market it to the MIL/LEO community. In turn, S&B was asked to take a stab at the requirement and modified their existing hunting scope - the Flash Dot - and in short order the first Short Dot was delivered for evaluation. It was put in service by the time OIF kicked off and has been popular ever since.

Flashforward 8 years and an updated requirement goes out for a 1-8x version. S&B naturally evolves the 1-4x Short Dot into a 1-8x, but interestingly Leupold decides this time it's worth the effort to "get it right" and they did by developing the CQBSS, which not only meets the requirement but does so with flying colors. Is it better than the S&B? I can't say, but a safe guess is their optical quality is probably not as good as zee German's, but regardless - Leupold has redeemed themselves on this subject apparently.

08-24-2011, 6:28 PM
Mike brought both the S&B and the Leupold to one of our matches a couple months ago and I got to look through them and twist the knobs. Didn't get the chance to shoot with them though.

I was actually a little more impressed with the Leupold. In bright day light I couldn't tell any difference in the glass. Maybe in low light there would be a difference. The way the reticle works in the Leupold as yu change magnification was pretty neat. If you could combine that with the S&B bright day light dot you'd have the perfect CQB scope IMO.

I about croaked when he told me what the MSRP was!

08-24-2011, 7:53 PM
Pthfnder - What was the MSRP on the S&B?

08-24-2011, 8:31 PM
Pthfnder - What was the MSRP on the S&B?

I don't remember exactly what Mike said he thought was going to be. The Leupold was $3K and IIRC he thought the S&B was a bit less. But don't hold me to that.

08-24-2011, 8:59 PM
Mike can give specifics but I've seen the CQBSS for $3900 and the Short Dot for $2600

08-25-2011, 3:43 AM
What mount is that?

08-25-2011, 8:27 AM
I don't know if the final products differ from the prototypes at SHOT but what I found was that the Leupold was almost perfect, missing only one thing, a good red dot or some other reticle point for quick acquisition of target at close range. From about 75 yards out or more, it's about perfect.

The S&B on the other had was fantastic at close distances, but when moved up to 8x, the reticle was very thin and sometimes hard to pick up. The only 1-8x scope I saw that I thought capable of solid use at both close and extended distances was the one from Premier, but that one still hasn't hit the shelves yet. I need to check out these production models and see how it plays out.

08-25-2011, 8:41 AM
What mount is that?

On the S&B it's a Warne.


08-25-2011, 11:40 AM
This S&B 1-8x is the closest to the production run but is not the final run. I have not hand any issues with it mechanically. I feel the RET is to thin below 3x but the daytime bright dot makes up for it.

The Leupold CQBSS is in a new Leupold mount. As for the prices the CQBSS with the M-TMR the MAP at $3999.99 and for the S&B with the MIL-DOT RET they are $2599.00 at this time but I have a feeling they will go up. Also Premier will have a true 1-8x and the price will be in the same range.

I have been really happy with both the Leupold CQBSS and the S&B 1-8x Short Dot.

Mike @ CST

09-14-2011, 3:04 PM
Here is the S&B 1-8x RETs. The RAM is at 550yds.

S&B 1-8x24mm @ 1x with the daytime illumination.

S&B 1-8x24mm @ 4x with the daytime illumination.

S&B 1-8x24mm @ 8x with no illumination on

S&B 1-8x24mm @ 4x with no illumination on

S&B 1-8x24mm @ 1x with no illumination on