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IGOTDIRT4U
08-22-2011, 2:04 PM
With the change inthe law(s), National Parks it is now legal to carry a weapon as per that state's laws (the state of the location of the park, IIRC). So, if Montana is an OC state, am I right in saying I can OC in Yellowstone?

Or did I miss a component of the law change?

I know this is not exactly CA 2A, but hopefully we can help a few CA CGN'rs out here who plan to travel to Yellowstone in the future avoid any confusion such as I am having.

For the record, I regularly travel to MT and OC or LTC there, preferring OC most of time. (I'm usually not in a populated area of any degree, that is why I prefer OC)

Inyoite
08-22-2011, 2:11 PM
Here's the information you need. (http://www.nps.gov/yell/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm)

IGOTDIRT4U
08-22-2011, 2:18 PM
Here's the information you need. (http://www.nps.gov/yell/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm)

lol, "Credit Card Reform Act".

But, it answered every damn question I had. And I'll be good to go when I get to WY, too. Thanks.

I thought I had it right, but I could not a get a clear google result even from OC.org.

Inyoite
08-22-2011, 3:17 PM
I won't guarantee it's right - it is from NPS! :D

Agent Orange
08-22-2011, 5:09 PM
I'm tempted to comment on the thread title but I won't...

IGOTDIRT4U
08-22-2011, 5:19 PM
I'm tempted to comment on the thread title but I won't...

DOH! Heh, just re-read it. Hey, move it to OT and fire away!

IGOTDIRT4U
08-22-2011, 5:20 PM
I won't guarantee it's right - it is from NPS! :D

But it jibes with what I THOUGHT the new laws said, so my memory was not as bad as I thought.

Big Jake
08-22-2011, 5:52 PM
The park will allow you to ccw as long as you have a ccw that is honered by the state the park is located in!

IGOTDIRT4U
08-22-2011, 5:53 PM
The park will allow you to ccw as long as you have a ccw that is honered by the state the park is located in!

It will also allow me to OC! (preferred while driving the Jeep Wrangler as it's tight enough in there, already)

markm
08-22-2011, 7:24 PM
Hey Igotdirtforyou,

Yes, you can OC in Yellowstone. And, in the Montana portion of Yellowstone, you may conceal carry as Montana is about 97% Constitutional Carry FN#1. A person must be a resident of Wyoming to Constitutional Carry concealed.

Last month, while in Grand Teton NP, we met three Park Service Rangers on the trail. They were very professional, and did not seem to notice our holstered guns.

There were a few Sierra-Club-of-Wyoming folks that hit us with their anti-gun talking points. We smiled and returned questions about their gear choices. Why is it that liberal neo-Marxists always want other people to live by their religous choices?

Many people on the trail were happy to see us RKBA and proud of it.

We felt much better as our bear spray is only 95% effective. We saw 7 grizzlies and missed one that passed behind our party and was seen by another group.

Here are some pictures:
The first one is at Shoshone Lake, Yellowstone. The second is at Grand Teton NP. And the third was taken on the Bridger-Teton NF (yes, those are grizzlies).
http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/02658.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/550/medium/GRTE_Yellowstone_BridgerTeton_2011_048.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/550/medium/GRTE_Yellowstone_BridgerTeton_2011_042.jpg

FN#1:
Montana law: 45-8-316 (penalty for carrying concealed weapon)
45-8-317. Exceptions. (1) Section 45-8-316 does not apply to:
(i) a person who is outside the official boundaries of a city or town or the confines of a logging, lumbering, mining, or railroad camp or who is lawfully engaged in hunting, fishing, trapping, camping, hiking, backpacking, farming, ranching, or other outdoor activity in which weapons are often carried for recreation or protection; or

markm

Pred@tor
08-22-2011, 9:51 PM
When I drove through the Wyoming part of Yellow stone back in 2008 it said firearms need to be disassembled. Did my friend and I really care? Nope...

markm
08-23-2011, 4:51 AM
When I drove through the Wyoming part of Yellow stone back in 2008 it said firearms need to be disassembled. Did my friend and I really care? Nope...

Hey Pred@tor,

Yeah, I used to horseback ride in Yosemite. My gun was stuffed in my saddlebag. I came in contact with rangers on a few occasions. What they did not know did not hurt them. I had no evil intent.

markm

IGOTDIRT4U
08-23-2011, 4:12 PM
markm, thanks for the update. Confirms everything I thought.

I like the lake pic. It reminds me of the time of year I was their last. The bear pic, yeah, EXACTLY why I want to OC.

Always love the moose and elk, too. This year I hope to make it to the north loop at sunset and catch the wolves doing their thing.

Thanks again.

popeye4
08-24-2011, 10:40 AM
Just a question: carrying in the park is one thing, but if you felt compelled to "bust" a bear..... What are the consequences?

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
08-24-2011, 11:17 AM
Note that almost all of Yellowstone is in Wyoming. If you have any questions about Yellowstone that are non-2A, feel free to PM me. We have a house just outside Yellowstone and I'm up there about 25% of the year, I know the area like the back of my hand.

OleCuss
08-24-2011, 12:23 PM
Just a question: carrying in the park is one thing, but if you felt compelled to "bust" a bear..... What are the consequences?

Not legal to use a firearm in the NPS even in self-defense.

sniper4usmc
08-24-2011, 12:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_aD-nY-II8&list=FLOQpef5fZaX4Sj6N9nqAIiA&index=4

popeye4
08-24-2011, 12:43 PM
Not legal to use a firearm in the NPS even in self-defense.

So, allowing carry in the park just makes it a bit easier to access the firearm to exercise illegal self-defense (since it doesn't have to be hidden from view). That makes perfect sense.....

Our government is run by morons.