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sig808
08-19-2011, 9:45 AM
Hello,

Thank you in advnace fellow Calgunners. I have another newbie question. This one is in regards to magazines. So, I have a saiga 7.62x39 on the way and want to keep things stock, except I want to be able to use regular ak mags as I found out that the surefires for saiga are pretty darn expensive.

So, back to the boards I went. I know I'll need the bullet guide and to file the catch down a bit. No big deal. But where i am confused is this whole 922r thing. If all I do is add the bullet guide and file down the catch so i can use regular ak mags, do I have to change any other parts to be compliant? Or does being 922r compliant to apply to this situation? I've read a bunch of posts from various boards, and it seems like I might have to change out one more part and all will be good. Is that right? Thanks again in advance...I think this should be last question!

IEatZ28
08-19-2011, 9:56 AM
I'm pretty sure once you get the bullet guide you gotta be 922r compliant. I'm also pretty sure that if the mag is made in the US you gotta be 922r compliant. I'm not 100% though

welchy
08-19-2011, 9:56 AM
It can only have 10 foreign parts. It has 14 now.

welchy
08-19-2011, 10:01 AM
US mags do not trigger 922r.

sig808
08-19-2011, 10:04 AM
Thank you for the fast, concise answer. Clears it all up. Looks like I'll be changing some trigger parts soon! Any recommendations as to wich trigger parts are the easiest to change? Thanks all!

IEatZ28
08-19-2011, 10:49 AM
Factory or converted?
I have te modified G2 on my 308 and it works flawlessly.

tujungatoes
08-19-2011, 10:51 AM
You're going to have to change more than trigger parts. As welchy said a saiga in stock config has 14 foreign parts you need to bring it down to 10 or less. The trigger group is only 3. Keep in mind you'll also have to mod some of them to work with the saiga trigger system. If you change all three that still leaves you short one. If you're planning on using US mags then no problem. If you're using foreign mags you may want to get some US floorplates for them.

NorCalK9.com
08-19-2011, 11:25 AM
Get a new us made front hand guard

sig808
08-19-2011, 12:47 PM
So if I use US mags only them I'm ok and 922r won't apply?

MadRiverArms
08-19-2011, 1:24 PM
Simply adding a bullet guide triggers 922r?

-MRA

Quiet
08-20-2011, 1:02 AM
The use of greater than 10 round magazines in an imported semi-auto centerfire rifle requires 922r parts compliance.

welchy
08-20-2011, 5:05 PM
Simply adding a bullet guide triggers 922r?

-MRA

There is some debate, but most agree that it does. I for one would rather err on the side of caution.

smle-man
08-20-2011, 5:23 PM
The use of greater than 10 round magazines in an imported semi-auto centerfire rifle requires 922r parts compliance.

So a U.S. stock set and magazines meet this requirement?

sharkforce
08-20-2011, 5:34 PM
I recommend you use a 922r calculator, it should help you understand what is required
http://jobson.us/922r/

tujungatoes
08-20-2011, 5:59 PM
The use of greater than 10 round magazines in an imported semi-auto centerfire rifle requires 922r parts compliance.

Not necessarily "use" of. I believe the law states "capacity to accept". So, regardless of wether you actually "use" greater than 10 round capacity mags, if your rifle has the capacity to accept them you could(and I'm not going to debate the "could" part here. IANAL) trigger 922r.

So a U.S. stock set and magazines meet this requirement?

On a Saiga yes. Magazine = 3 counted parts. Stock set(buttstock and handguard) = 2 parts. 14-5=9 (yep that's 11 yrs of LA city public schools baby!)

I recommend you use a 922r calculator, it should help you understand what is required
http://jobson.us/922r/

That's a good little worksheet there.

sergeantrex
08-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Simply adding a bullet guide triggers 922r?

-MRA

IIRC Bullet guide allows the Saiga to accept high capacity magazines changing the rifle from sporting to non sporting. So the answer would be yes.

smle-man
08-21-2011, 7:00 PM
Not necessarily "use" of. I believe the law states "capacity to accept". So, regardless of wether you actually "use" greater than 10 round capacity mags, if your rifle has the capacity to accept them you could(and I'm not going to debate the "could" part here. IANAL) trigger 922r.



On a Saiga yes. Magazine = 3 counted parts. Stock set(buttstock and handguard) = 2 parts. 14-5=9 (yep that's 11 yrs of LA city public schools baby!)



That's a good little worksheet there.

I know we were discussing Saigas but I had suddenly thought about the Polytech M14SA that I have. I put a US made wood stock and handguard set on it and use pre ban M14 magazines in it. I also put a SA Inc muzzle brake on it. so it sounds like this one is ok too.

tujungatoes
08-21-2011, 7:25 PM
I know we were discussing Saigas but I had suddenly thought about the Polytech M14SA that I have. I put a US made wood stock and handguard set on it and use pre ban M14 magazines in it. I also put a SA Inc muzzle brake on it. so it sounds like this one is ok too.

I wasn't initially sure how many parts were counted on an M14. Some googling revealed the number to be 16, so yeah you're good to go.

This guy has a letter from the ATF confirming the count. Linky (http://m14forum.com/reference/41492-batfe-answer-domestication-chinese-m14.html)