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CHIGGA73
01-17-2007, 3:01 PM
As the title says. I'm interested in getting a nice 24" or 26" custom barrel. AR-15 .223, Stainless Steel, possibly with a nice muzzle break (this is for looks as well as usability)

Does anyone have any suggestions of good companies, shops, pictures? good deals/value etc.

thanks for your help guys

i have a RRA 20" varmint upper right now and don't need any complete upper suggestions, just the barrel.
i've seen some white oak stuff, douglas stuff. any shop or place in particular better than another?

Sydwaiz
01-17-2007, 3:14 PM
www.ar15barrels.com

IMO for a barrel that long, a muzzlebrake is useless especially on a .223

ocabj
01-17-2007, 3:27 PM
i've seen some white oak stuff, douglas stuff. any shop or place in particular better than another?

The White Oak varmint barrel looks like a good option for you. You need to find out what the twist rate is, though. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the White Oak barrels. My WOA service rifle does not copper foul at all. I think White Oak is actually using Douglas blanks. If they are, the method in which they are handlapping and/or cutting the rifling is incredible.

CHIGGA73
01-17-2007, 3:28 PM
AR15barrels takes a long time to make is that correct? i think a 2-3 month wait

bobfried
01-17-2007, 3:57 PM
AR15barrels takes a long time to make is that correct? i think a 2-3 month wait

It depends on his workload, what type of profile you want and how complex of a project it is. His barrels are custom, so time is an issue, but if you send him everything to build the upper you'll have something built with the kind of attention only a barrel specialist can.

WOA makes great stuff, I have not been dissappointed by them yet. That said you said you wanted a "custom barrel" and I personally do not consider them custom barrels maker. If there's one more barrel out there just like it, it's not a true custom.

Personally, I'd give ar15barrels the business simply because he's a great guy that build great stuff. People come to him and wait 6 months for that special barrel sometimes, you have to ask yourself if they are crazy or if he's a really good barrel maker?

I live an hour from him so I just drive there to poke and prod, it usually speeds up the work quite a bit. Well at least mine anyways :D

CHIGGA73
01-17-2007, 4:25 PM
thanks for the info on ar15barrels i'll check that out too.

randy
01-18-2007, 4:34 AM
What weight bullet will you be shooting?

I would think twist rate is as important as length. With that said 24" to 26" could slow down the bullet before it gets to the end of the barrel.

To make use of that length you would have to stuff the cases full of slow burning powder. Generic .223 burns up at about 20".

All things being equal it's easier to get accuracy out of a shorter barrel, it's a harmonic kind of thing.

Or so I've been told.

Good luck

JWC6
01-18-2007, 8:34 AM
Steve at adco sells WOA barrels among other things. www.adcofirearms.com

He is very prompt and engaged in marksmanship competitions. Also, his prices are reasonable.

ocabj
01-18-2007, 8:38 AM
I'd just order direct from White Oak unless there's a specific modification you need that Adco can provide (ie: KG coating on SS barrels).

Fjold
01-18-2007, 9:16 AM
What weight bullet will you be shooting?

I would think twist rate is as important as length. With that said 24" to 26" could slow down the bullet before it gets to the end of the barrel.

To make use of that length you would have to stuff the cases full of slow burning powder. Generic .223 burns up at about 20".

All things being equal it's easier to get accuracy out of a shorter barrel, it's a harmonic kind of thing.

Or so I've been told.

Good luck


Here's what was worked out by a couple of shooters in a lab:

y = -1.0069x2 + 76.914x + 1861.6

2.0138x=76.914

x=38.194" Barrel before velocity decreases,


The disclaimer to this is that its a composite average of all the loads at any given length, some loads would generate a preference for longer or shorter lengths, especially considering the burning tendancies of the varied powders. I.E. Faster powders might run out of steam earlier and prefer a slightly shorter barrel, slower powders may push a little longer before bullet exits the barrel and may benefit from additional length.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/Fjold/223graph.jpg

Scarecrow Repair
01-18-2007, 9:30 AM
Generic .223 burns up at about 20".
I ran some chrony tests on Federal Lake City SS109 with three rifles, all 1/9 chrome lined, 16", 20", and 24". I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was something like 2900, 3100, 3250. There was a definite gain from 20" to 24", but not as much as from 16" to 20".