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loves2shootstuff
08-14-2011, 8:09 AM
Hi all,

Looking for some glass to put on my AR that can really reach out and drive a tack. Nothing gets me jazzed like getting a nice tight group at 100+ yards and my current Leupold 1.25-4X20 VXR isn't cutting it so I'm in the market for something else.

While the Leupold is nice, my eyes aren't good enough to see where I'm putting it on paper.

I'd like to keep it to less than $350 so if you have any preferences on which one or the best place to buy, please let me know.

Thanks!

ejhc11
08-14-2011, 9:29 AM
I don't think you could go wrong with either. I was planning on getting a Bushnell 4200 3-9x40mm for my AR but settled on a Burris E1 3-9x40mm. It was less priced and is pretty nice piece of glass for under $200.

toby
08-14-2011, 11:11 AM
The 4200 is heads and tails above the Buckmasters on optics...no comparison.

Bowhunter_619
08-14-2011, 11:53 AM
take a look at samplelist.com; they have really good deals on the site sometimes.

Vacaville
08-14-2011, 12:03 PM
I've got a Buckmaster 4.5 - 14X scope that is awesome; however, the Elite 4200 is a step above the Buckmaster. Should be on par with a Nikon Monarch as far as brightness and resolution.

180ls1
08-14-2011, 12:41 PM
I just did a ton of research on these two scopes as a matter of fact, on this forum as well as many other forums. Those two seemed like a couple of the best bang for your buck. I ended up with the 4200 in 2.5-10. Have not got to install or use it yet but it was worth it to me have the little extra zoom and field of view over the 3-9. Shoot me a PM in a Month when i get a chance to use it and ill give you a report, the rifle has a Leupold on it right now.

Natchez has a screaming deal on it right now, i would order it asap before its out of stock. The only thing is that it might be a little big on your AR but i dont think you will find a better scope on the market for the price. http://www.natchezss.com/Optics.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=BH&prodID=BH422104M&prodTitle=Bushnell%20Elite%204200%202.5-10X40%20Riflescope%20Multi-X%20Reticle%20Matte

thmpr
08-14-2011, 1:08 PM
The reticle on the 4200 is too thick for my taste...

brianinca
08-14-2011, 2:30 PM
Bushnell has consolidated the 3200/4200/6500 series and there were a LOT of them on closeout pricing earlier this year.

I have 2 2.5-10x50's and a 6-24x40 AO Mildot. I don't find the duplex reticle too thick for target shooting, but the Firefly reticle is definitely a hunting reticle, not a paper puncher reticle.

They are big scopes, I put the 6-24 on a 10/22 and have temporarily housed one 2.5-10 on a Ruger Mini-30 pending finding a 2-7x32 I can live with.

VERY few 4200's on the places I've bought glass from, they're drying up.

http://theopticzone.com/default.aspx?act=pro&opt=detail&id=375
$229 for a 3-9x40 you'll never see that price point again for any scope with glass this good.

I bought a USA made Burris FF2 2.5-10x50 from these folks, easy to work with and fast to ship. Looking at non-sale items, the Elite 2.5-10x50 is $489.99 and what was the Elite 3200 3-9x40 is $239.99. Getting a 4200 for less than a 3200, whew that's a DEAL.

This is something that may fit in better with your needs, not the same quality glass, pretty much Buckmaster rather than Monarch, but plenty good:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843

$200 for a mil/mil that would really "fit" an AR.

Regards,
Brian in CA

LBDamned
08-14-2011, 8:18 PM
DVOR has a sale right now for German made Minox ZA 3 3-9x40mm at $280

This site requires login to view daily sales; worth signing up for, as they have great deals - I recently picked up Trijicon night sights for my PX4 at really good price $85... sale items change daily - the Minox scopes sale ends in 2 days

http://www.dvor.com/s/6o3mo6.html

http://www.dvor.com/minox-za-3-3-9x40-riflescope-za3-rifle-scope.html

loves2shootstuff
08-14-2011, 8:23 PM
I was looking for something in the 6-18x40 range. My eyes pretty much suck and I want to be able to see where on the target the .223 hole is left. Thanks for the heads up though.

:-)

For some reason all these responses you guys have been posting haven't been showing up in my inbox, thanks for all the suggestions guys! Keep 'em coming!

Thanks

Santa Cruz Armory
08-14-2011, 8:25 PM
I went with the Bushnell 4200 Elite Fixed 10x mildot. Love it!

LBDamned
08-14-2011, 8:32 PM
I was looking for something in the 6-18x40 range. My eyes pretty much suck and I want to be able to see where on the target the .223 hole is left. Thanks for the heads up though.

:-)

For some reason all these responses you guys have been posting haven't been showing up in my inbox, thanks for all the suggestions guys! Keep 'em coming!

Thanks

the DVOR sale also has a Minox ZA5 3-15X42... but it's $400 :(

you could always use a spotting scope too...

brianinca
08-14-2011, 9:19 PM
>>>
I want to be able to see where on the target the .223 hole is left
>>>

At 100 yards you only need a 10X and you'll see the holes no sweat, 200 also given good enough glass. You can shoot to 1000 yards with 10X, if you understand what the glass is telling you - same as with iron sights at that distance. You're not talking benchrest here, don't misunderstand how to use your scope.

I rarely bother with more than 10X on any of my scopes, including my Conquest 6.5-20x50 Mildot. You aren't seeing more information at higher magnification, you're just distorting and misunderstanding the data that you're receiving through your eye.

If you want to micromanage your groups at a distance, Kowa is the cool kid in the spotting scope class for the money. There is a reason for different optics for different jobs.

Regards,
Brian in CA

GregC
08-14-2011, 9:43 PM
I have two 6-24x40 Elite 4200 scopes on my AR15's and I think they are great. I can easily see the holes at 100 yards, especially when they are touching each other. :laugh:

freonr22
08-14-2011, 9:51 PM
Happy with my monarch

armtactical
08-14-2011, 11:08 PM
PM sent.

loves2shootstuff
08-15-2011, 5:15 AM
So...I've got a Mueller APV 3-9x40 on my 10/22 that I'm going to slap on my AR this weekend and see if it meets my needs out at 100yds.

Perhaps I'm over estimating how much magnification I actually need to micro-manage my shots on paper.

Im thinking I want to be somewhere around 14x. Should I get a higher power magnification (6x-18x) and turn it down to that range or would I be better off having 14x capabilities at the top?

I've read the closer you get to reaching your scopes magnification limits, the darker and more distorted it can get - depending on the glass of course...

Armtactical, thanks for the PM - I'll keep ya posted on that.

LBDamned
08-15-2011, 1:59 PM
what do you guys think of these? http://www.midwayusa.com/Promotion/default.aspx?promotionid=522406&cm_cat=Shooting_1&cm_ite=Main_Image&cm_lm=sp:nexusonetoo@live.com&cm_ven=Spop-Email&cm_pla=Shooting_81520112_1&CustNum=103295251

Typically I would not consider BSA, but with etched mil-dot I figured it must be their higher end... good discount (even though I dont know what other places typically sell them for).

Opinions please :)

loves2shootstuff
08-15-2011, 3:03 PM
Looks like mostly good reviews with the few at the bottom about poor QA.

I didn't have the patience to wait to try out the Mueller APV on my AR so I ordered the Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40 from OpticsPlanet today so we'll see how well I did when I get a chance to test it out. It's nice that they match other online prices - saved myself about $60!!!

LBDamned
08-15-2011, 3:28 PM
Looks like mostly good reviews with the few at the bottom about poor QA.

I didn't have the patience to wait to try out the Mueller APV on my AR so I ordered the Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40 from OpticsPlanet today so we'll see how well I did when I get a chance to test it out. It's nice that they match other online prices - saved myself about $60!!!

how much (if you don;t mind me asking)... and how does the price match work?

loves2shootstuff
08-15-2011, 3:52 PM
It's pretty easy actually! It's all done via email within 24 hours, or you can call them.

I paid $308.16 (no tax, free shipping)

To do the online price match, navigate to the item you want on opticsplanet.com's website, there's a link below and to the right of the listed price of the item that says "price match". Once you click on that, it asks you to fill out a simple form which asks what the match price is you want (it needs to include tax and shipping from their competitors website) and it needs to be the exact model number, and you enter the URL to the item on their competitors website so they can verify it's legit. Then within 24 hours you get an email with a discount code equal to the exact amount needed to match the price. The email with the code has some other details such as when the code expires and that it can only be used for the item they price matched etc. Hope that helps!

new1911
08-15-2011, 3:59 PM
bushnell 4200 is on sale at cabela's for $199

http://www.cabelas.com/riflescopes-bushnell-elite-4200-riflescopes-1.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT.z_mc_id1=748946&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=ACD60CCB-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA

brianinca
08-15-2011, 4:04 PM
>>>
I would not consider BSA
>>>

Waste of money. Wait until you have $$ for a scope instead of a "feature set" that mimics a scope.

Regards,
Brian in CA

brianinca
08-15-2011, 4:05 PM
>>>
bushnell 4200 is on sale at cabela's for $199
>>>

Good catch, that is a TON of glass for the $$. Shucks, those Burris "made in the Philipines" Full Field 2's were a VERY good deal for $199, the Elite 4200 is way more glass than that.

Regards,
Brian in CA

LBDamned
08-15-2011, 4:09 PM
It's pretty easy actually! It's all done via email within 24 hours, or you can call them.

I paid $308.16 (no tax, free shipping)

To do the online price match, navigate to the item you want on opticsplanet.com's website, there's a link below and to the right of the listed price of the item that says "price match". Once you click on that, it asks you to fill out a simple form which asks what the match price is you want (it needs to include tax and shipping from their competitors website) and it needs to be the exact model number, and you enter the URL to the item on their competitors website so they can verify it's legit. Then within 24 hours you get an email with a discount code equal to the exact amount needed to match the price. The email with the code has some other details such as when the code expires and that it can only be used for the item they price matched etc. Hope that helps!

cool, thanks!

LBDamned
08-15-2011, 4:17 PM
bushnell 4200 is on sale at cabela's for $199

http://www.cabelas.com/riflescopes-bushnell-elite-4200-riflescopes-1.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT.z_mc_id1=748946&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=ACD60CCB-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA

thanks for the heads-up!

>>>
I would not consider BSA
>>>

Waste of money. Wait until you have $$ for a scope instead of a "feature set" that mimics a scope.

Regards,
Brian in CA

it's not really about saving $$ - I'm leery of BSA in general, I just happened to get a MidwayUSA email with them on sale and since this thread was current I thought I'd check into it... I have a 2x-5x variable magnifier on my red dot - but after reading a few thread about rifle scopes, I'm now considering getting something for longer distance...

I hate to seem like I'm pushing DVOR (third mention) - I absolutely am not - but lately they have had several rifle scopes on sale... Now I'm looking into Swift SRP687M 4.5-14x44 (picks up where my variable leaves off)... I can't find a lot of reviews about this scope - but what little I found seems good... at $195 I'm thinking it's worth a chance.

Here are the specs:

Specifications for Swift 4.5-14x44mm Mil-Dot Riflescope:
Magnification: 4.5-14x
Objective Lens: 44mm
Reticle: MilDot
Optical Coating: Fully Multi-Coated
Tube Diameter: 1"
Click Adjustment: .25"
Waterproof: Yes
Fog Proof: Yes
Shockproof: Yes

USA Made, BaK7 Scott Glass
Light Amplifying Optics Coating
Fully Multi-Coated Optics
Up to 96% Greater Light Transmission
Customizable Adjustable Objective (CAO)
Longer Eye Relief
Full Saddle Construction
1" Aircraft Aluminum Tube
Re-enforced Reticle Mounts
Quick-Focus Eyepiece
Parallax Free at 100 yards
Target Turret, Windage and Elevation
1/4" Click
Self-centering Reticle
Waterproof
Fog proof
Shockproof

Would this be a good choice? Or would the fixed Elite 3200/4200 be better?

LBDamned
08-15-2011, 4:26 PM
as long as I'm asking about Swift - would the SPR Mil 688M be a better option at $20 more?

Specifications for Swift 6-18 x 44mm Mil-Dot Premier Riflescope SPRMil 688M:
Power: 6-18x, 44mm
Field of View: 19.5' @ 6x, 7' @ 18x
Eye Relief: 2.8 / 2.8"
Length: 15.4"
Weight: 22.6 oz
Waterproof: Yes
Outside Objective Diameter: 56mm
Outside Ocular Diameter: 43mm
Light Transmission Percentage: 80%
Features of Swift SPR Mil 688M Mil-Dot Riflescope 6-18x44 (matte):

Crystal clear optics with superior light gathering ability
Additional accuracy at varying distances
Fully multi-coated optics
Full saddle construction
Speed focus
Waterproof and fogproof
Parallax free at 100 yards
Finger turned windage and elevation adjustments
1" aircraft quality aluminum construction
1/4" click stop adjustment

Sorry for the thread jack... I'll limit the questions after this - but thanks for any opinions/suggestions/help...

negolien
08-16-2011, 7:40 AM
Since my rig rolled off the shooting table my Banner 4-12x40 has been off. Didn't realize it till I went out as it happened on last shot of the day and it ended up standing normal on bipod so thought I got lucky lol..next time I went back I was like wtf???? I decided to go with a Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 so we'll see what it's like when it arrives.

loves2shootstuff
08-16-2011, 7:57 AM
Since my rig rolled off the shooting table my Banner 4-12x40 has been off. Didn't realize it till I went out as it happened on last shot of the day and it ended up standing normal on bipod so thought I got lucky lol..next time I went back I was like wtf???? I decided to go with a Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 so we'll see what it's like when it arrives.

Cool, post your thoughts here once you get it installed and take it out!

negolien
08-16-2011, 8:28 AM
Sure long as she doesn't high-side on that lame 30 round pmag and roll off again :eek:

Hunt
08-21-2011, 3:36 PM
considering the limitations of the cartridge and the intended use, target to 100 yrds + I would go with a compact fixed magnification scope, probably a 6x out to 200 yards

LBDamned
09-13-2011, 2:05 PM
I don't think you could go wrong with either. I was planning on getting a Bushnell 4200 3-9x40mm for my AR but settled on a Burris E1 3-9x40mm. It was less priced and is pretty nice piece of glass for under $200.

how do you like it?...

I was initially targeting the 4200 (particularly Cabela's $199 deal)... while out of town and saw the Burris E1 on sale - it prompted me to research it; from what I've been able to determine it's a great scope (possibly best in it's class) and the changes made on the E1 (from FF) should put it as a very good consideration.

I ordered one today - but am still curious what other first hand users have to say about it...

tia