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Cashrip
08-07-2011, 2:52 AM
so i finally pulled the trigger on a glock 20 sf today, and im looking to stock up on some cheap ammo to blow threw at the range. the cheapest stuff i can find is the Serbian Prvi Partizan PPU, Bitterroot Valley, or the blazer stuff. has anyone here had good luck with either one of these rounds? or recommend any other brands that i may have overlooked.

Oceanbob
08-07-2011, 4:32 AM
Of those choices the Blazer is the best.

This man has an extensive 10MM ballastics channel on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycE87lPBFQ

The PPU is junk; only 850 FPS (you can ignore the advertised box flap speed on most ammo)

CCI Blazer TMJ actually runs at 1010 FPS (out of a claimed speed of 1050) which isn't bad actually.

Try to find some Remington Green Box (UMC) 180 MC (metal case) it runs at
1090 (published at 1150) and is sometimes available at Bass Pro. I came across a bunch of it out of State at a Gun Store (in Tulsa Oklahoma) I ended up buying a case and Fed Ex Grounded it home.

Another good source I've used is Ammo Brothers. They use new components (not reloads) and I would save the brass for future reloading.

You can buy bulk 10MM at the Gun Show. Again, most of it is new brass and runs good in the GLOCK.

Heavy hitters in the 10MM area are Double-Tap and Buffalo Bore. Double-taps 200 wfngc (hunting round) has a published speed of 1300 but only runs at 1120. (typical) However, Buffalo Bore (considered the premium A+ in 10MM) actually runs at 1330 (published 1350) and while expensive, is the ammo
to take with you in the woods. :D

Other expensive but FAST ammo is Elite Ammo which pushes a 175 grain silvertip STHP out at a real 1350 (compared to Winchesters actual speed of 1160 for this round)

If you really want to shoot for less money think about reloading. I do. You can cut the price about 2/3rds and you have more control over speeds.

Be well
Bob

Steve-O
08-07-2011, 5:33 AM
Blazer all the way. I have found it to be *very* accurate out of my G29, and is the cheapest I can find locally.

morrcarr67
08-07-2011, 6:01 AM
If you really want to shoot for less money think about reloading. I do. You can cut the price about 2/3rds and you have more control over speeds.

Be well
Bob

Bob has it right here. To get started buy the cheapest "brass" cased ammo you can find and save the brass for reloading.

locosway
08-07-2011, 7:53 AM
Miwall is 1050fps, which is still the "light" loading. I don't know of any factory ammo that's not boutique that is loaded to full power specs. If you want affordable full power ammo you will need to start reloading, unless you're rich or don't want to shoot more than one box a month.

Another option is buying ammo from The Firing Line, they have 10mm reloads for fairly cheap and I've never had a problem with them. They too are light loads.

r3dn3ck
08-07-2011, 8:17 AM
grab a 40 S&W barrel from lone wolf and load 40 short and weak for half the money. I use my .40 barrel more than my 10mm barrel. The .357 sig barrels will also drop right in. Don't even have to change recoil springs. You'll love the flexibility from the G20.

locosway
08-07-2011, 8:53 AM
grab a 40 S&W barrel from lone wolf and load 40 short and weak for half the money. I use my .40 barrel more than my 10mm barrel. The .357 sig barrels will also drop right in. Don't even have to change recoil springs. You'll love the flexibility from the G20.

Same bullet, same powder, different case, different primer. Except you get way more versatility from the 10mm round. How is reloading the .40 cheaper than the 10mm?

Oceanbob
08-07-2011, 9:22 AM
Same bullet, same powder, different case, different primer. Except you get way more versatility from the 10mm round. How is reloading the .40 cheaper than the 10mm?

You're correct my friend...!

Reloading .40 is the same as reloading 10MM.

The advantage (for me anyway) of the .40 barrel in my G20, is I can actually BUY .40 at all gun stores and Wally World. Not true with 10MM.

Seriously, at one Gun Store recently I asked the young man behind the counter if they had any 10MM for sale..?.....10MM..? he said.....never heard of it. :)

Now that I reload 10MM (and .40 if desired) it's not that big of an issue.

I like the versitility of Glocks because they take aftermarket barrels without issues.

Today my favorite is my Glock 29.

Be well,

Bob

wolf13
08-07-2011, 3:10 PM
grab a 40 S&W barrel from lone wolf and load 40 short and weak for half the money. I use my .40 barrel more than my 10mm barrel. The .357 sig barrels will also drop right in. Don't even have to change recoil springs. You'll love the flexibility from the G20.

But then that defeats the purpose of having the 10mm IMO.

JTROKS
08-07-2011, 4:15 PM
10mm ammo should be a 200 grain bullet at 1100 fps, 180 grain bullets at 1200 fps.

TKM
08-07-2011, 4:24 PM
10mm ammo should be a 200 grain bullet at 1100 fps, 180 grain bullets at 1200 fps.

10 mm ammo should be a 200 grain bullet at 12000 fps. If not more.


http://www.chuckhawks.com/eaa_witness_10mm.htm

rainman8819
08-07-2011, 4:35 PM
I've shot Blazer and Bitterroot Valley out of my G20. No problems with either manufacturer, but I had the most fun with BV ammo.

locosway
08-07-2011, 4:42 PM
You're correct my friend...!

Reloading .40 is the same as reloading 10MM.

The advantage (for me anyway) of the .40 barrel in my G20, is I can actually BUY .40 at all gun stores and Wally World. Not true with 10MM.

Seriously, at one Gun Store recently I asked the young man behind the counter if they had any 10MM for sale..?.....10MM..? he said.....never heard of it. :)

Now that I reload 10MM (and .40 if desired) it's not that big of an issue.

I like the versitility of Glocks because they take aftermarket barrels without issues.

Today my favorite is my Glock 29.

Be well,

Bob

And that's the only reason I have a .40 barrel too... I hate the .40 round, but I'd rather have a gun that can shoot something instead of nothing if it ever came to needing factory ammo.

10mm ammo should be a 200 grain bullet at 1100 fps, 180 grain bullets at 1200 fps.

Those are anemic numbers. I have 200gr @ 1250fps and you can probably squeeze a little more out of it, especially with a fully supported chamber.

Riodog
08-08-2011, 2:50 PM
10 mm ammo should be a 200 grain bullet at 12000 fps. If not more.


http://www.chuckhawks.com/eaa_witness_10mm.htm

TKM, if you have a couple of extra rounds that do 12000fps in 10mm, I can be down there bright and early tomorrow. I'll even supply a couple of pistols...HOWEVER if they don't do as you claim or blow up my guns....you just bought them.
Rio

CAglock20c
08-08-2011, 2:56 PM
10mm and cheap don't belong in the same sentence! Unless you reload of course. Then its affordable at best!

someR1
08-08-2011, 3:24 PM
10mm and cheap don't belong in the same sentence! Unless you reload of course. Then its affordable at best!

LOL! This is true, however, most ammo isn't cheap period!

On that note, I have shot Blazer, and it is good stuff for the money.

skyscraper
08-08-2011, 5:32 PM
Www.Georgia-arms.com

Bulk 10mm ammo great price on new and reloaded

skyscraper
08-08-2011, 5:34 PM
10mm and cheap don't belong in the same sentence! Unless you reload of course. Then its affordable at best!

Not true. Just have to search or buy online.

Cashrip
08-08-2011, 6:17 PM
i found the bitterroot valley stuff at just under $20 a box, i guess thats not too bad. im starting to think that this gun might finally be the one that gets me into reloading, lol.

CAglock20c
08-08-2011, 6:36 PM
Skyscraper- belay my last...thanks for the source! Do they ship though...that would be the deciding factor!

TKM
08-08-2011, 7:15 PM
TKM, if you have a couple of extra rounds that do 12000fps in 10mm, I can be down there bright and early tomorrow. I'll even supply a couple of pistols...HOWEVER if they don't do as you claim or blow up my guns....you just bought them.
Rio

Great, this is probably how BHO got in trouble. All of those extra zeroes flying around.

If I necked down a full load of H110 to 6mm, I imagine an airsoft round might go hypersonic.

Afterburnt
08-08-2011, 9:19 PM
Www.Georgia-arms.com

Bulk 10mm ammo great price on new and reloaded

Good quality ammo if they have it!

7anthony7
08-09-2011, 6:25 AM
i use bvac for fun. reloadable and not bad for the price. very accurate out of my wilson. i also have a bunch of winchester silver tip i like. slower, but accurate

ECVMatt
08-09-2011, 8:11 AM
Here is a pretty good price on 10mm

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/store_frame/4748611?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cheaperthandirt.com%2 FAMM5832-1.html

I also like Georgia Arms. They make good stuff.

Oceanbob
08-09-2011, 8:25 AM
Here is a pretty good price on 10mm

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/store_frame/4748611?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cheaperthandirt.com%2 FAMM5832-1.html

I also like Georgia Arms. They make good stuff.

Bitter Root Valley ammo is WEAK..Very Weak. Ignore that 1200 FPS claim...not even close..!

Reality tests show BVAC ammo to be just a bit over 1000 FPS...that's less than 200 grain blazer which does 1010 FPS or Remington (UMC) Green box which does 1090 FPS average.

1000 FPS in 10MM is the same as .40 caliber. :eek:

This shows the actual speed:

SycE87lPBFQ

Be well, Bob

7anthony7
08-09-2011, 9:19 PM
Bitter Root Valley ammo is WEAK..Very Weak. Ignore that 1200 FPS claim...not even close..!

Reality tests show BVAC ammo to be just a bit over 1000 FPS...that's less than 200 grain blazer which does 1010 FPS or Remington (UMC) Green box which does 1090 FPS average.

1000 FPS in 10MM is the same as .40 caliber. :eek:

This shows the actual speed:

SycE87lPBFQ

Be well, Bob


I am guessing they changed some of their loads. I have chronoed mine and have had them all around 1127-1155. I mainly buy it to reload though. I guess mine could have been a little hotter than Bob's batch. Best to get into reloading, buy some and do it yourself.

MongooseV8
08-10-2011, 11:48 AM
I reload my own for about $0.20 each with Nosler bullets. They get cheaper with Montana Gold or Zero brand bullets. And my 200 grainers go at least 1200 FPS :eek:

Snoopy47
08-10-2011, 12:34 PM
haha, he said cheap, and 10mm in the same sentence.

Squidward
08-10-2011, 7:22 PM
Palmetto State Armory
10mm 180gr GMJ AE10A 50rd box
American Eagle
Unit Price: $27.99

skyscraper
08-10-2011, 8:17 PM
Skyscraper- belay my last...thanks for the source! Do they ship though...that would be the deciding factor!

yessir

psango
08-10-2011, 9:28 PM
I shoot the Green Box UMC 180 GR. MC in my Smith 1066. I use an indoor range that forbids the aluminum case blazers. I have been buying mine on line when I see a sale at: Ammunition to go, Cheaper than Dirt, Nachez Shooters Supply or Cabella's. It will be a real pain to get commercial 10mm if we end up with another internet sales ban.

stitchnicklas
08-10-2011, 9:43 PM
http://ammoseek.com/?gun=handgun&cal=1&type=&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr

negolien
08-10-2011, 10:00 PM
As a g20 owner I can say not really such a thing as Cheap 10mm ammo less you reload .

hill billy
08-11-2011, 1:33 PM
I sell reasonably priced, full power 10mm in both 180gr and 200 gr bullets. I guarantee my ammo will meet my posted speeds and run just fine in Glocks.

Drop me a PM if you are interested.