Everyone Go To The Doj Web Sight Now!!!

[jemaddux]

It looks like they may be opening a REG period.

[creampuff]

Do you have a link?

thanks

[kenc9]

Don't see anything in the firearms division.?!?!?!?

[50 Freak]

Link!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mdhpper]

Two Weeks!

[tpliquid1]

dont see nutin captain

[bwiese]

Relax, folks.

There's no way a reg period can open now (unless court ordered due to formal regulatory changes actually occuring).

DOJ just did a "welcome to 2007, these are the new gun laws" update on their webpage.

DOJ Firearms Div website is at http://ag.ca.gov/firearms

[tenpercentfirearms]

jemmadux, you really need to post links. I think he might be talking about the "2007 Dangerous Weapons Control Law" (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/index.php) on the right in the latest additions. I really hope he isn't talking about that because all that is is the Penal Code sections that deal with "dangerous weapons control laws".

jemmadux, I hope that isn't it, because if it is, you are going to look pretty silly. :o

I guess it might be a silly publicity stunt. In that case.....

Check out www.tenpercentfirearms.com for all of your OLL needs!

[pacificcoast]

"sight??!?!!!"

watchu talkin 'bout willis?

[tpliquid1]

ban, for false advertisement:D

[paradox]

It looks like they may be opening a REG period.

WTF??? I went to the site, nothing new that I saw. Got a link to what's new?

ETA: perhaps jemaddux's computer problems compromised his account and we’ve been trolled...

[jumbopanda]

I didn't see anything...

[creampuff]

Meanwhile....while we are waiting for a link :)

Did anyone notice our Krinker plinker thread had risen to #4 !! on the google search? Maybe we can make our thread pass up Krinker plinker's own site.

[tpliquid1]

tenpercent, when arms #40 comign in? and i dont want to pay tax, please sell me from ur personal stash.

[Harbinger]

http://i3.tinypic.com/3yeftdw.gif

[AJAX22]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf?PHPSESSID=dbe43818925831c21184587 e68dad888

they just made mag locks illigal, congrats, we're all fellons

[icormba]

It looks like they may be opening a REG period.

You just want to overload and crash their server don't you! ;)

[peepshowal]

The only registration I saw on DOJ site was the California Registered Sex Offender Database.

[tpliquid1]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf?PHPSESSID=dbe43818925831c21184587 e68dad888

they just made mag locks illigal, congrats, we're all fellons

that emans we all giogn to jail! we can have big OLL gtg during lunch time!!

[tpliquid1]

The only registration I saw on DOJ site was the California Registered Sex Offender Database.

awww crap, i gotta reregister again??

[creampuff]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf?PHPSESSID=dbe43818925831c21184587 e68dad888

they just made mag locks illigal, congrats, we're all fellons

Umm..I think this an old memo..right?

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Everybody..take a deep breath now :)

[pacificcoast]

god damn the doj needs to learn how to date stuff.

[Fjold]

(In his best Rosanna, Rosanna, Danna voice) .............. Nevermind!

[jemaddux]

I talked to DOJ yesterday and they had a whole new attitude about everything tell me that the OLL where perfectly legal to buy so feel free to sell them:confused: , never heard that before yesterday from them.

Now today

12275.5. (a) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this state. The Legislature has restricted the assault weapons specified in Section 12276 based upon finding that each firearm has such a high rate of fire and capacity for firepower that its function as a legitimate sports or recreational firearm is substantially outweighed by the danger that it can be used to kill and injure human beings. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of assault weapons and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and possession. It is not, however, the intent of the Legislature by this chapter to place restrictions on the use of those weapons which are primarily designed and intended for hunting, target practice, or other legitimate sports or recreational activities.
(b) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of .50 BMG rifles, as defined in Section 12278, poses a clear and present terrorist threat to the health, safety, and security of all residents of, and visitors to, this state, based upon findings that those firearms have such a high capacity for long distance and highly destructive firepower that they pose an unacceptable risk to the death and serious injury of human beings, destruction or serious damage of vital public and private buildings, civilian, police and military vehicles, power generation and transmission facilities, petrochemical production and storage facilities, and transportation infrastructure. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of these rifles and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and possession.

12275 thru 12290 Assault Weapons Updated Jan. 2007


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php

SO someone look at this and explain what all this means? Now I am really confused

[tenpercentfirearms]

Ok, I am on the phone with Cold War Shooters right now because they got a call from jemaddux telling them to check on the website so they figured they would check with me. They got upset when they found out I started getting publicity on this so here is what they wanted me to say.

Cold War Shooters does Oly repacks and other shady things. Only buy your parts from www.tenpercentfirearms.com, do not buy from www.coldwarshooters.com.

[AJAX22]

They can't date anything... if they did, we might notice that they're fudging dates and passing regulations beyond the scope of their now curtailed powers.

[Aluisious]

They say that the regs in http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php were "updated" in Jan 2007.

I can't find the "updates."

??

[sandr326]

Ok I skimmed the new link on DOJ and I am not sure but in section 12276.1 the wording appears to have changed and removed the "must use a tool" blurb in regards to capacity to except. or was that somewhere else?

[pacificcoast]

lol, youre kidding right?

I talked to DOJ yesterday and they had a whole new attitude about everything tell me that the OLL where perfectly legal to buy so feel free to sell them:confused: , never heard that before yesterday from them.

Now today

12275.5. (a) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this state. The Legislature has restricted the assault weapons specified in Section 12276 based upon finding that each firearm has such a high rate of fire and capacity for firepower that its function as a legitimate sports or recreational firearm is substantially outweighed by the danger that it can be used to kill and injure human beings. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of assault weapons and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and possession. It is not, however, the intent of the Legislature by this chapter to place restrictions on the use of those weapons which are primarily designed and intended for hunting, target practice, or other legitimate sports or recreational activities.
(b) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of .50 BMG rifles, as defined in Section 12278, poses a clear and present terrorist threat to the health, safety, and security of all residents of, and visitors to, this state, based upon findings that those firearms have such a high capacity for long distance and highly destructive firepower that they pose an unacceptable risk to the death and serious injury of human beings, destruction or serious damage of vital public and private buildings, civilian, police and military vehicles, power generation and transmission facilities, petrochemical production and storage facilities, and transportation infrastructure. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of these rifles and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and possession.

12275 thru 12290 Assault Weapons Updated Jan. 2007


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php

SO someone look at this and explain what all this means? Now I am really confused

[Alanski56]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf?PHPSESSID=dbe43818925831c21184587 e68dad888

they just made mag locks illigal, congrats, we're all fellons

This is just BS, right? I see that Lockyer's name is on it so I'm assuming it is BS. But you know what happens when you assume.

[treelogger]

Isn't it a little early to drink that much?

[tenpercentfirearms]

That is an old memo. Ignore it. Jemaddux is just reading the penal code and over reacting. Just move along, there is nothing to see here.

[tpliquid1]

wes , when arms#40 comign in?

[Charliegone]

I see they still are not willing to acknowledge Harrott Vs. King County:rolleyes:

[bwiese]

Isn't it a little early to drink that much?

Good one, Tree.

Jim has again found laws that already exist, or were updated by AB2728.

NOTHING REALLY HAS CHANGED, OTHER THAN AB2728 REMOVING DOJ ABILITY TO LIST.

PERIOD.

[pacificcoast]

this whole thread seriously should just be deleted can we get the mods to cleanup here

[tpliquid1]

so where do i get my form at?

[tenpercentfirearms]

this whole thread seriously should just be deleted can we get the mods to cleanup here
Yes, delete this thread right after you go to www.coldwarshooters.com or www.tenpercentfirearms.com and order something.

[Alanski56]

Jemaddux should be taken out and flogged.

[creampuff]

Jemaddux should be taken out and flogged.
ok...but first we must help out 10% with a free bump!

Yes, delete this thread right after you go to www.coldwarshooters.com or www.tenpercentfirearms.com and order something.

[whomper]

I can imagine all the Calgunners getting flustered and scrambling to read the DOJ website. A little afternoon pick-me-up.This thread rules.

BTW, our computer sytems crash everyday at work. We're getting new servers. In two weeks...

[jemaddux]

That is an old memo. Ignore it. Jemaddux is just reading the penal code and over reacting. Just move along, there is nothing to see here.


I am not over reacting. I asked CWS to look at it also and see what they think. I am reading this and it looks like a bunch of stuff has changed and I have no idea what it going on. I want people that know a little tro look at it and explain.

(2) Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 11340) of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code, pertaining to the adoption of rules and regulations, shall not apply to any list of assault weapons promulgated pursuant to this section.
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.


This sounds like they can still list. And like I already said, I talked to DOJ yesterday and now they are saying everything is fine with them to sell and so on. So again, can someone please explain what has changed and try to figure this out?

[tenpercentfirearms]

Supposedly ARMS just got a big military contract and it might be a while before they get them back to us again. I ordered some from Stag and they said they might have a few. So in a week or in two months. I don't know.

[Richard]

This is only a TEST!....If this had been a real Registration period alert you would have been instructed where to tune your radios for registration card collections................THIS IS ONLY A TEST!:p

[tenpercentfirearms]

James, all of those links are to penal code. THE DOJ DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE PENAL CODE! They don't have the authority to change anything. Basically they made a nifty little section for making it easy to read the rules. Nothing has changed. Zip, zilch, nada.

Sorry man, you just cried wolf big time.

At least I got some free advertising out of it. :D

[blacklisted]

That has been there all along. Nothing has changed.

I am not over reacting. I asked CWS to look at it also and see what they think. I am reading this and it looks like a bunch of stuff has changed and I have no idea what it going on. I want people that know a little tro look at it and explain.

(2) Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 11340) of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code, pertaining to the adoption of rules and regulations, shall not apply to any list of assault weapons promulgated pursuant to this section.
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.


This sounds like they can still list. And like I already said, I talked to DOJ yesterday and now they are saying everything is fine with them to sell and so on. So again, can someone please explain what has changed and try to figure this out?

[treelogger]

I am not over reacting.

From here on, I'm actually dead serious.

James: I had come to the impression that you are a serious and sensible person of a fine intelligence. The two quotes you just got are both correct, but the first one is no longer relevant (it explains HOW the DoJ shall do something that with 2728 they can no longer do), and the second one is not pertinent (yes, they can propose regulation, but they have not regulated recently). You should know that.

Either this is (a) an elaborate hoax, or (b) it is a joke that's starting to be in bad taste, or (c) you should sober up, or (d) you need real help from professionals. I'm hoping the real cause is (c); and I hope that it is not (d).

OK, now restarting my usual humor: Ordering something from 10% and CWS is always a good idea. So far this week, I have only ordered stuff from Natchez, but Friday is still young.

[mdhpper]

[QUOTE=jemaddux]

"I talked to DOJ yesterday and now they are saying everything is fine with them to sell and so on"

Great, lets get that in writting and share it with all of the California vendors. Hopefully we well see AK's & AR15's back in stock at all of the local gun shops.

[EBWhite]

too much crack thats all i got to say

[odysseus]

I feel lonely now... I need a hug.

[mdhpper]

So no reg. in TWO WEEKS? AH KRINKER PLINKER!

[bwiese]

All right, this is just core of AB2728...


12276.5.
(a) The Attorney General shall prepare a description for identification purposes, including a picture or diagram, of each assault weapon listed in Section 12276, and any firearm declared to be an assault weapon pursuant to this section, and shall distribute the description to all law enforcement agencies responsible for enforcement of this chapter. Those law enforcement agencies shall make the description available to all agency personnel.

(b) (1) Until January 1, 2007, the Attorney General shall promulgate a list that specifies all firearms designated as assault weapons in Section 12276 or declared to be assault weapons pursuant to this section. The Attorney General shall file that list with the Secretary of State for publication in the California Code of Regulations. Any declaration that a specified firearm is an assault weapon shall be implemented by the Attorney General who, within 90 days, shall promulgate an amended list which shall include the specified firearm declared to be an assault weapon. The Attorney General shall file the amended list with the Secretary of State for publication in the California Code of Regulations. Any firearm declared to be an assault weapon prior to January 1, 2007, shall remain on the list filed with the Secretary fo State.

(2) Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 11340) of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code, pertaining to the adoption of rules and regulations, shall not apply to any list of assault weapons promulgated pursuant to this section.

(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

This sounds like they can still list

No, the ability to list is gone. A lot of 12276.5 stuff walked away w/2728.

The stuff you see is just administrivia. What if there was a misprint or typo on a list? They could update it without going thru the OAL. That was the case before 2728, this text is just a hangover. The ability to list - by either updating the Kasler list of AR/AK guns, or requesting a court to ban a new non-AR/non-AK gun thru a 12276.5PC 'add on' petition - IS GONE, as no enabling law for this is there anymore. Notice how much shorter 12276.5 is than before, also :)

As far as (c) above, about AG adopting rules & regs, sure - they can determine the color of paper when they send out copies of existing registrations. Or, say, they would be allowed to set up a website or 800# to check on registration status.

THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE, AS THAT GOES BEYOND THE SCOPE OF ACTUAL STATUTORY LAW. Regulatory law cannot exceed statuory law.

That's why the new regulatory definition hasn't taken hold - because of side effects, and because they failed to follow OAL procedure if they had submitted something in November.


And like I already said, I talked to DOJ yesterday and now they are saying everything is fine with them to sell and so on.

Wull sure, again nothing has changed. OLLs have always been legal and maybe the message just got down to the phone staff finally. Maybe gun shop harassment will end now.


So again, can someone please explain what has changed and try to figure this out?

I think I just did.

[jemaddux]

From here on, I'm actually dead serious.

James: I had come to the impression that you are a serious and sensible person of a fine intelligence. The two quotes you just got are both correct, but the first one is no longer relevant (it explains HOW the DoJ shall do something that with 2728 they can no longer do), and the second one is not pertinent (yes, they can propose regulation, but they have not regulated recently). You should know that.

Either this is (a) an elaborate hoax, or (b) it is a joke that's starting to be in bad taste, or (c) you should sober up, or (d) you need real help from professionals. I'm hoping the real cause is (c); and I hope that it is not (d).

.

It neither, I was reading someing and wanted a opinion. I put a post up and most times I get idiots responding. Now I put something up and say read this now and see people pay attention. Like I said, DOJ has a new attitude on this whole thing. And if you don't like it treelogger, then don't read what I write.

[kap]

Man, if Wes had an ARMS pop up rear sight I would be all over it.

[kenc9]

I,m still scared!!!
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/kenc9/Monkey.jpg

[xenophobe]

Pretty F'n annoying, stupid and childish, even if you don't ask me. :p



Yes, delete this thread right after you go to www.coldwarshooters.com or www.tenpercentfirearms.com and order something.

[proraptor]

crash the ten percent firearm website!

[ibbryn]

I feel a little dirty after reading this thread. I got all worked up about nothing and had to read a bunch of ads. :confused:

go to www.coldwarshooters.com or www.tenpercentfirearms.com and order something.

[Alanski56]

Can't we all just get along?

[proraptor]

I was so excited when I saw the subject.....DAMNIT!

[Kestryll]

Okay, this sounds like it was just a case of a misread and concern, not a joke or prank.
It looks like the matter has been explained and there is no need for further concern so let's end it here, let it go and all go shopping...