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Solidux
08-02-2011, 9:20 PM
Hello, I purchased a brand new auto ordnance 1911 and it's been a headache since.

out of 150 rounds it had:

27 FTF jams
51 FTE jams

Troubleshooting that I did on my end:

Lubed/cleaned every piece.
Used 4 different mags (wilson combat/chip mccormick/ colt gov/ factory AO)
Used 3 different types of 230 gr FMJs (WWB/Remington UMC/Magtech)

Im thinking I got a lemon because I get 1-2 jams religiously every magazine. Another problem I found is that the brass is either ejected straight into my face or straight up and hilariously bounces off the top of the 1911....

I live in CA so I'm not sure if we have the same return policy as other states do.


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I took it to the range today after doing a complete strip down clean and lube.

I put 3 different rounds (all 230gr fmj, just diff brands) in 3 different mags (Chip mc/AO factory/ wilson combat/ Colt gov).

had a total of 6 failure to extract jams out of 9 rounds.

To make matters worse, the front sight post became loose and must be pushed in every round.

I took a picture of a couple of the jams. I took my finger out of trigger well after every round because the jams were that predictable.

http://i52.tinypic.com/307ol69.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/x2v280.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2whftxv.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/25hpdme.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/1z58cwz.jpg

Front sight post getting loose just from mere shakes of the gun

http://i51.tinypic.com/zmiq29.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/35mqeiw.jpg


Besides sending it in the the manufacturer for warranty repair, is there a more definite and quicker way to resolve this issue? The range is this friday and I need to bring a .45 caliber handgun

zfields
08-02-2011, 9:31 PM
uh...that thing is a nightmare, warranty it.

InGrAM
08-02-2011, 9:34 PM
Ouch that brass looks like it scratched the **** out of the top of your slide :O

I say get in contact with auto ordnance and send it back to them and have them take a look.

P.S: You can buy a tool to hammer the front sight post back into place. It is not much and you can get it at brownells or midway. But I would get AO to deal with it.

redcliff
08-02-2011, 9:47 PM
I know I often sound like a broken record, but check your extractor tension. Your pistol appears to be showing signs of insufficent extractor tension and low slide velocity. Of course there could be other issues, but you've got to start by process of elimination and theres only so much diagnosis that can be done via pictures over the internet. Unfortunately your pistol does not have a lowered and flared ejection port, which is quite helpful in preventing having to play ejected case dodgeball as is a tuned extended ejector. However if your extractor tension is out of spec as I suspect you should see quite an improvement in regard to that problem.

Extractor tuning tips here http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm or search youtube.

Next, get some lube on top of that barrel. The slide rubs the barrel during link-down and yours looks dry there as evidenced by the scuffing. Be sure to lube the slide rails, bottom of the slide where the hammer and disconnector rubs and at the barrel/bushing interface as well as the locking lug/slide interface area. Insufficient lubrication in high friction areas is one of the causes of low-slide velocity, but there are others such as excessively tight slide/frame fit or too much recoil spring weight, or under-powerred ammunition.

You run a real risk of your front sight departing the firearm unless you get the tenon re-swaged. To do it right requires a special tool; perhaps there is a local gunsmith that can do it for you before Friday.

nick
08-02-2011, 10:15 PM
Yikes. Have AO deal with it, and may I recommend a Dan Wesson for your next 1911?

Chief-7700
08-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Redcliff is right your having extractor problems. Plus other problems. Looks like that your having Type 3 malfunctions or brass low.

Blackhawk556
08-02-2011, 11:04 PM
Send that puppy back. Don't even try to do something that might void the warranty.

redcliff
08-02-2011, 11:31 PM
Send that puppy back. Don't even try to do something that might void the warranty.

Tuning the extractor would not void the warranty :)

JTROKS
08-03-2011, 7:15 AM
Extractor would be first to troubleshoot. If that front sight was not staked properly, check the ejector, plunger tube and grip screw bushings for any other improper installation. I thought AO picked up their quality since they were bought by Kahr Arms. Are you sure your AO is late production and not an old AO sitting in a shelf for years?

PRCABR4Christ
08-03-2011, 10:09 AM
I would check your extractor tension, also, it looks as though your slide is traveling too fast...before sending it back, check your extractor tension and try a new recoil spring, if you're feeling brave I can give you a few more suggestions, but try those first

redcliff
08-03-2011, 11:53 AM
I would check your extractor tension, also, it looks as though your slide is traveling too fast...before sending it back, check your extractor tension and try a new recoil spring, if you're feeling brave I can give you a few more suggestions, but try those first

Could you explain why you feel the slide is travelling too fast?

None of the pictures he included showed a feed issue that wasn't preceded by a failure to eject. Failures to eject are generally low extractor tension or in extreme cases low slide velocity, or problems like loose/broken ejectors.

Failures to feed absent extraction issues can be caused by excessive extractor tension, excessive slide velocity, or by weak magazine springs, improper feed ramps, tight chambers or rough breach faces.

Army
08-03-2011, 2:17 PM
Sounds more like you aren't holding firm enough.

Not enough slide velocity is initially caused by allowing the gun to recoil too much in the hand. You must get a good firm grip on it. This allows the slide to recoil, and not the entire gun.

Try gripping hard enough to force the muzzle to remain level during recoil.

someR1
08-03-2011, 2:59 PM
don't touch it, just send 'er back!

ojisan
08-03-2011, 4:02 PM
I also hate to sound like a broken record, but Redcliff is right on the money again.
Classic extractor problems.

OP: Welcome to CalGuns.
What is your location? (It's always a good idea to add this to your profile so other members have some idea where you are).
I have the tool to restake the front sight, and I can fix the extractor, too.
And do it while you wait.
But, it depends on where you are...