U.S. Muslim Writer Agitates for Citizens to Disarm -- JPFO Fires Back

[Incitatus]

Junaid M. Afeef
Research Associate at the Institute for Social Policy & Understanding:

Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check. Even those citizens who continue to maintain such antiquated views must face the reality that the United States’ armed forces are too large and too powerful for the citizenry to make much difference. Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.

The more important consideration is public safety. It is no longer safe for the public to carry guns. Gun violence is increasingly widespread in the United States.


So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.
The Second Amendment is not worth such risks.

http://www.ispu.us/pages/articles/2914/articleDetailPB.html




JPFO fires back:


Another “think tank,” this one called the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU), has come out for total civilian disarmament and repeal of the Second Amendment.

What’s new about that? ISPU is openly pro-Muslim, and the ISPU writer is a criminal defense attorney who argues for repealing parts of the Bill of Rights.



Read the entire response here: http://www.jpfo.org/alert20070108.htm


Sure, Mr. Junaid Ateef...we Americans should disarm and get used to the ideea it isn't as bad to live as dhimmis under the Islamic rule.


Just to give you an ideea who the "scholars' of the Institute for Social Policy & Understanding are, let's review a few names:

Aamir Rehman (Research Associate)
Harvard Business School
Harvard University

Dr. Abdulaziz Sachedina (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor
University of Virginia

Dr. Abdul Basit (Fellow)
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry
& Director of Multi-cultural Mental Health Services
Northwestern University

Dr. Akbar Ahmed (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor & Chair of Islamic Studies
American University

Dr. Aminah McCloud (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor
DePaul University

Arshad Ahmed (Research Associate)
Civil Rights Attorney

Dr. Asifa Quraishi (Adjunct Scholar)
Assistant Professor of Law
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Dr. Benjamin Powell (Fellow)
Director
Center on Entrepreneurial Innovation
The Independent Institute

Dr. Ejaz Akram (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor
American University, Cairo

Farid Senzai (Fellow)
Ph.D. Candidate
Oxford University

Dr. Fawaz Gerges (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor
Sarah Lawrence College

Graham Fuller (Fellow)
Political Consultant
RAND Corporation

Dr. Heather Janisse (Fellow)
Project Director: Research Group
on Homelessness and Poverty

Dr. Ihsan Bagby (Fellow)
Professor
University of Kentucky

Dr. Ivan Eland (Fellow)
Director
Center On Peace & Liberty
The Independent Institute

Dr. Jack Shaheen (Adjunct Scholar)
Professor Emeritus
Southern Illinois University


Complete list here: http://www.ispu.us/pages/Sections/scholars/pageDetailPB.html

[Skawrpion]

I say CLOSE THE GATES NOW! while we still can, and post armed guards at everyone of them. Stop immigration and student exhange, we are full and we do not need anymore. NO VACANCY!!:mad:

[Incitatus]

Link to JPFO's response (.pdf)
http://www.jpfo.org/dropguns.pdf

[pnkssbtz]

Here is my email to him...



junaid.afeef@gmail.com





Mr. Afeef,
With regards to your article posted here: http://www.ispu.us/pages/articles/2914/articleDetailPB.html

you make the statement:

"Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check."

This couldn't be more far from the truth. But conveniently by using the word "Neo-Nazi" and "Citizen" in the same sentence not only have you invoked Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) but you have instantly associated law abiding citizens with an extreme minority group who are a public nuisance and generally shunned by society. This is a technique spin artists use to assassinate the public image of a group or person.

Conversely, I could say that not all muslims are terrorist, but all of the terrorists attacking the U.S. are muslim...

Just like your use of the term "Neo-Nazi" I too can associate a group of people with a bad and evil group of terrorists.


In questioning the 2nd Amendment you say

"Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd."

Which is ironic because if you read the history of this country, you would know that the citizens of this country did just that.


And some fallacies and hearsay:

"The more important consideration is public safety. It is no longer safe for the public to carry guns. Gun violence is increasingly widespread in the United States. According to the DOJ/FBI’s Crime In The United States: 2003 report, 45,197 people in the United States were murdered with guns between 1999 and 2003. That averages out to more than 9,000 people murdered per year. Nearly three times the number of lives lost in the tragic 9/11 attacks are murdered annually as a direct result of guns."

I love how you throw out statistics. You fail to mention that more and more LAWFUL citizens are owning firearms, and now 38 states have "Shall Issue" CCW permits. You'll also notice that since 1993 firearm crime has declined, and gun crime is even lower than it was 27 years ago in 1980: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm.

You also fail to mention that a significant portion of those 45,197 violent crimes, which you label as "murders" are in fact classified as "homicides". And of these "homicides" over 35% of them are in fact suicides.

Lets throw some more out there:
According to lovetonow.com (http://addiction.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Drinking_and_Driving_Statistics) over 105,000 deaths occur a year JUST TO DRUNK DRIVING. And wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_accident) claims that car accidents alone are responsible for 1.2 million deaths worldwide a year.

Now, last I checked, 105,000 is greater than 45,197. I don't see you harping on drunk drivers.


"According to the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2002 41 percent of American households owned at least one gun. According to these same statistics, 50 percent of the owners were male, 43 percent were white and 48 percent were Republican. More than 50 percent of the gun owners were college educated and earned more than $50,000 per year. Regrettably, these folks are going to marshal their considerable resources to protect their special interest."

Again your statistics are meaningless. If 48% of the males are Republican, than means 52% are democrat right? And 50% are FEMALE? Why do you focus on "white male republican" gun owners. Got an agenda mabye? And the 50% female gun owners aren't going to marshal their resources? And the other non-white non-male gun owners aren't going to do likewise?

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.


"This is a shame. Instead of laying waste to the civil rights and civil liberties that are at the core of free society, and rather than squandering precious time and money on amending the U.S. Constitution for such things as “preserving marriage between a man and woman,” the nation ought to focus its attention on the havoc guns cause in society and debate the merits of gun ownership in this era of terrorism.

So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians."
No, as long as there are CRIMINALS, you know, those people who by definition do not obey the law, there will be the threat of "tetrrorist walking into a crowded restraunt... and opening fire on unsuspecting civillians."

You forget that criminals are law breakers. They don't follow the law. Are you with me? Do you get it yet? Do you comprehend what the word "criminal" means? When was the last time you heard of a "law abiding citizen" going into a restaurant and opening up with a gun? Ah, you haven't because if he did so, HE WOULD BE A CRIMINAL, NOT A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.


Just a FYI, you might want to read up on these two fellows. You know, they were a tad instrumental on the creation of this small yokel hick place known as "America"...

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Thomas Jefferson`s "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776


"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."

-Thomas Paine

[Skawrpion]

Nice reply, that should sent him back to where he came from.:D

[Incitatus]

Dear Mr. Afeef,

I can certainly understand how it would be easier for your co-religionaries to spread your "religion of peace" if we Americans were to be disarmed.
Nice try, but we're not really as stupid as you believe we are.

Here is our response to your call to drop one of our Constitutional rights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI


Piss be upon you,
Al Kafir

[rorschach]

Very well written response. Good job!

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.
Looked to me like they were sitting around in their pajamas eating twinkies and having sex.
The more important consideration is public safety. It is no longer safe for the public to carry guns. Gun violence is increasingly widespread in the United States.
ESPECIALLY in the immediate vicinity of donut shops and police stations.
So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.
Takes one to know one, I guess.

[James R.]

"Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check."

Yeah, tell our armed forces over in Iraq that civilian paramilitary groups can't be effective with conventional small arms and improvised munitions *rolls eyes*.

Regards,

James R.

[kap]

"Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check."

Yeah, tell our armed forces over in Iraq that civilian paramilitary groups can't be effective with conventional small arms and improvised munitions *rolls eyes*.

Regards,

James R.
Exactly what I was thinking. Bush's speech tonight should be a good indication that we take the threat of armed civilians seriously.

What really gets me though is seeing a passively militant group attempting to undermine one of our rights while exercising another of them.

[NeoWeird]

The civilians fighting the militaries? Last I checked the civilians made up the military, so if the 'civilians' as a whole ever needed to stand up against our government it wouldn't be us vs. them, it would be Those who were wronged vs. those doing the wrongs. Sure some will be military, but some of ours will be military as well. Even if NONE on the 'civilians' side were military it wouldn't really matter.

Besides, we should just give up now. It's not like us farmers with squirrel guns and no military training could EVER hope to stand a chance against a military powerhouse. :rolleyes:

[tman]

pnkssbtz - GREAT letter.

Now let's print copies and send them to all the anti-gun politicians.

While we're at we can also send copies to loudmouths in Hollywood (i.e. Rosie) - assuming, of course, that they or someone they know can read. I say "assuming that they can read", not to insult, but because if they can they should already know all of this.


It would be shocking to see any sort of response. Almost certainly he is too cowardly and/or arrogant. Either that, or he lies to himself. Also wouldn't be surprised if he were fueled by an entirely different agenda. It's difficult to really understand what is going on in the heads of these people.

[Incitatus]

Thanks dude. I just destroyed everything in my office.

Just ordered the CD. Those guys from Stuck Mojo deserve all our support for their courage to tell it like it is.

[m1aowner]

From my COLD DEAD HANDS Mr. Junaid M. Afeef. Go eat some BBQ ribs why don't you. The other white meat is good for you.

[Cardinal Sin]

No friggin way I am disarming . . . not with people roaming the earth that wish to kill people like me and my family because we dont follow their religion or politics . . . This guy is living in a dream world . . WAKE THE F@#K UP A-HOLE!

[odysseus]

Just the usual moronic dribblings from those who think they know better than you and should be in control of your choices and liberty.

Thanks for the stuck mojo link... never heard of them before.

[Dont Tread on Me]

Where do I sign up to become a Jew. I want to join the JFPO!

If you don't think a bunch of guyes with rifles taking on a modern army, take a look at Iraq or Chechnya.

[juha_teuvonnen]

Where do I sign up to become a Jew. I want to join the JFPO!


You don't need to be a Jew to join JPFO.

[Alanski56]

May Mr. Afeef's *** hair be infested with a thousand sand fleas.

[Satex]

Where do I sign up to become a Jew. I want to join the JFPO!

You have two options:
1) Send me a check for $1,000 and I will sign you up to be a 100% kosher Jew ;)
2) Isn't your father a Jewish carpenter? If so, you are good to go!
:D

[Cardinal Sin]

May Mr. Afeef's *** hair be infested with a thousand sand fleas.

OMG, AAAAAMEN:p Thats Funny