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hbogart
07-30-2011, 5:50 PM
I am thinking about buying a SIG P220 or SIG 1911 Target Stainless or a Springfield Loaded Long Slide.

Looking at the DOJ roster, it looks like the P220 Elite Stainless might be ok, but the SIG website says it isn't CA compliant.

I would really like to hear opinions about these. I have not shot any of them.

BajaJames83
07-30-2011, 5:50 PM
the sig 1911s are pretty nice....

InGrAM
07-30-2011, 5:54 PM
sig 1911's are awesome. I would never tell some one to NOT get one. The sig p220 is an awesome .45 pistol as well.

The sig 1911's are made in America BTW.

hbogart
07-30-2011, 6:26 PM
Can I get a P220 Elite Stainless in CA? The roster lists "P220 (Stainless) / Stainless Steel".

I replace an older P226 with a P226 Elite Stainless last year. The fit and finsh on it is pretty nice.

jptopz
07-30-2011, 6:59 PM
Go with the Sig 1911 you wont regret it.
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy331/jptopz/IMG_3597.jpg

hbogart
07-30-2011, 7:50 PM
Go with the Sig 1911 you wont regret it.
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy331/jptopz/IMG_3597.jpg

I am leaning that way. Thanks for the recommendation. Nice grips.

Artsville
07-30-2011, 7:59 PM
wow...really two different guns....

sholling
07-30-2011, 8:02 PM
If you like the Sig 1911 but can't get the one you like then you may want to consider a S&W 1911 instead. They're very similar and very accurate and there are lots of CA compliant versions.

steadyrock
07-30-2011, 8:14 PM
Springfields are nice guns, but I love my Sig TTT:

http://gastatic.com/UserImages/1570/997768248/wm_3080084.jpg

Freq18Hz
07-30-2011, 8:38 PM
Get an older Sig P220 if you go Sig, they are better than the newer ones.

Never shot a Sig 1911, but I've heard they are so-so. I hear this about pretty much all newer Sigs, and if my P226 is any indication, I'm inclined to agree.

I just picked up my first Springfield recently, like new made in 1992. Extremely accurate (for the price), very tight fitment. Then again I would expect nothing less from a hand fit and assembled gun.

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq184/freq18hz/09517739.jpg

-Freq

ljgrasso
07-30-2011, 11:14 PM
Springfield is a nice .45

PutTogether
07-31-2011, 12:21 AM
First, I can't fathom owning a P220 instead of a 1911. I know the reasons people would say, but for me it comes down to a 1911 being a good gun, and a fun gun, all the time.....and a 220 is well, just not all that special.

The sig 1911s are great, and the Springfield can't touch it fit, finish, and feature wise until you get up to the TRP range......which is a LOT more than most Sigs.

Ricky-Ray
07-31-2011, 12:23 AM
I already own a Springfield 1911, it's just a mil spec but my next 45 purchase is going to be a Sig P220. I held it the other day for the first time and it just felt soooooooo good in my hands.

osxgp
07-31-2011, 12:35 AM
Im having a similar problem between a Kimber Warrior and a Sig 1911 Rail. Both are great guns from what I've read. I have the Kimber on order but it is on backorder, while the Sig 1911 is available. Also, the Sig is about $400 cheaper. Damn, I hate these types of decisions.

freonr22
07-31-2011, 1:16 AM
2002 p220st= nice, amt hardballer longslide= nice....

freonr22
07-31-2011, 1:23 AM
here :

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Cato
07-31-2011, 1:30 AM
Sig 1911s have serious quality issues; I'm shocked to hear folks actually recommend them. Go to Sig Forum and poke around.

jptopz
07-31-2011, 8:36 AM
Sig 1911s have serious quality issues; I'm shocked to hear folks actually recommend them. Go to Sig Forum and poke around.

The first generation had problems. The new models are great.
The same things can be said about any make, I had a Springfield loaded that became the red headed step child, the fit and finish was sub par.

X_Factor
07-31-2011, 8:46 AM
I have a P220 ST & a SA 1911 loaded. I love both of them. Different beasts when you compare 220's to 1911's. I've got no experience w/ Sig 1911's though. If I could only have one...I'd opt for the SA 1911 w/out any hesitation! If possible try them at the range before you make a decision.

checkenbach
07-31-2011, 8:54 AM
In my mind(scary thought), it boils down to SA/DA(Sig) vs SAO(1911).I sold both of my Sigs(P-220 ST, P226 R)
and went to DAO or SAO pistols due to having issues with the SA/ DA trigger pull(read lazy).
I had no issues with the Sigs, and my SAO pistols are Colts.

MrExel17
07-31-2011, 8:58 AM
+1 - 1911 cant go wrong! Cheers

Foriegn power
07-31-2011, 10:38 AM
I have beef with the Sig 220's ergonomics, I can't grip the pistol thumbs forward or else your fingers will be rubbing on the slide release lever painful.

yzernie
07-31-2011, 10:45 AM
Sig 1911s have serious quality issues; I'm shocked to hear folks actually recommend them. Go to Sig Forum and poke around.
The original Sig 1911s did have some issues however, a couple years back Sig updated the 1911 line to eliminate those problems. I have sold a ton (almost literally!!) of the Sig 1911s and have not had any of my customers complain about the current models.

Bongos
07-31-2011, 10:47 AM
After owning, Wilsons, Nighthawks, Yost, as well as other high end 1911, I needed a shooter so I opted to try the Sig1911, I wasn't expecting much as I hated the Sig556 guns (POS to the next degree), but the opportuniy came a nicely priced gun so I thiught I give it a go. If you are looking for a traditional 1911, the Sig 1911 is not for you, go with a SA or a Kimber. But what I like from looking the gun over, I would say the Sig1911 is an evolution of the 1911 design into the modern era, the squarish slide adds heft to the gun, the external extractor is different (do not know if it is anymore reliable than the internal, but since most Semi-Auto has them, I can probably assume so since in standard 1911, you have to rebend them once in a while) and you really get a lot for what you are spending.

Functioning:
I'm really impress with the Sig 1911s, they are not as tight on the rail to frame, but where it counts, the barrel to bushing and locking link is solid. I have the Sig TTT and was impress with the quality parts that came with the gun, 25 lpi checkering, adjustable nightsights as well as metal MSH. The only issue I had with it was the roll pin on the front sight creep up in the initial firings, I spoke to Sig and they offered for me to send the slide in to inspect, I said I have a roll pin punch and spoke to the gunsmith, he said they use blue locktight, if I wanted to punch the pin back in with a drop. I did and it never came back out. Accuracy in standing improve weaver stance yeilded 2"-3" POA 16 round strings (2 wilson 47Ds) which is good enough for me. No FTF or FTE. I only put about 400 rounds thru it so far. Oh and the only change I did was change out the grips to the VZs.

Overall, fairly impress

steadyrock
07-31-2011, 10:50 AM
Sig 1911s have serious quality issues; I'm shocked to hear folks actually recommend them. Go to Sig Forum and poke around.

The quality issues were very early on and have all been corrected for years now. Any newish model Sig 1911 is going to be a great piece.

Blade
07-31-2011, 2:01 PM
I have a Sig P220 (combat) and a SA Loaded 1911, like previous posts they are very different guns. In my experience, the SA 1911 wins hands down in accuracy and ergos. I have smaller hands so the 1911 fits my hands better, the trigger pull is crisper and easyer to master than a DA/SA P220. However, the one thing that I like on the Sig P220 is that it is far easier to clean! They are both good guns, you can't go wrong with either. What it comes down to is (YMMV):
Go to War/SHTF = P220
Fun at Range/HD = 1911
Operator = G21
Techno Operator = HK45
Got to be different = CZ

Sunday
07-31-2011, 2:04 PM
how about a Dan Wesson!!!

9mmepiphany
07-31-2011, 2:46 PM
If you want a fighting gun that will always work and has outstanding accuracy, I'd go with the 220ST...forerunner of the P220 Elite Stainless. The 220ST isn't in the Sig Catalog, It is kept in production for the CA market.

If you'd like a dependable 1911 for great a customer service warranty, the Springfield would be my choice.

If you'd like a 1911 with a different look, the Sig fills that niche

Freq18Hz
07-31-2011, 3:08 PM
If you want a fighting gun that will always work and has outstanding accuracy, I'd go with the 220ST...forerunner of the P220 Elite Stainless. The 220ST isn't in the Sig Catalog, It is kept in production for the CA market.

If you'd like a dependable 1911 for great a customer service warranty, the Springfield would be my choice.

If you'd like a 1911 with a different look, the Sig fills that niche

Yeah that's a good point, one I forgot to stress.

I probably wouldn't recommend a Sig to anyone, just based on their abysmal customer service alone. Never dealt with a group of people with such a bad attitude, and condescending demeanor. Their CS easily eclipses the crap factor of even the worst gunshop vibe.

Springfield CS on the other hand, is fantastic.

Not trying to offend anyone at all, but to me aesthetically the Sig 1911's look to be the epitome of mall ninja. Reading about all the issues and knowing how sucky their customer service is was enough for me to steer clear. YMMV.

-Freq

sinfear11
07-31-2011, 4:47 PM
I would go Sig. But my personal preference would be HK. But as always pick what works best for you and your situation.

rocketeng
07-31-2011, 5:03 PM
SA 1911 easy choice

absc280
07-31-2011, 8:00 PM
Kinda had the same thoughts here. I was actually thinking about trading my Springfield Loaded for high capacity .45. Forget that thought!

Cato
07-31-2011, 9:48 PM
The quality issues were very early on and have all been corrected for years now. Any newish model Sig 1911 is going to be a great piece.

That's good to hear. I love my Sigs, but they lost this customer when they started using plastic guide rods in the P Series and an assorted amount of quality issues.

Shrubmaster
07-31-2011, 11:44 PM
As a polymer fan boy, this subject isn't really my cup o tea, BUT, at the shop I work at, a guy just got the sig target 1911, after a bit of fondling, I may need to add a 1911 back into the collection. Everything I saw screamed quality.

Bart1
08-01-2011, 7:43 AM
If you like the Sig 1911 but can't get the one you like then you may want to consider a S&W 1911 instead. They're very similar and very accurate and there are lots of CA compliant versions.

I second the SW1911. I have one and it's a fantastic shooting gun. Runs everything I feed thru it and it's accurate.

I also have an older West German Sig and I love it too! I'm looking for an external exracted P220 ST.

yzernie
08-01-2011, 11:57 AM
That's good to hear. I love my Sigs, but they lost this customer when they started using plastic guide rods in the P Series and an assorted amount of quality issues.
Whether it be Ford or Chevy, Maytag or Whirlpool, Glock or Sig.....anything with moving parts is subject to flawed operation. From my personal experience of selling well over a 1,000 Sigs, I have had a less than .001% return rate. That same percentage cannot be matched for the other major manufacturers.

DArBad
08-01-2011, 2:55 PM
The original Sig 1911s did have some issues however, a couple years back Sig updated the 1911 line to eliminate those problems. I have sold a ton (almost literally!!) of the Sig 1911s and have not had any of my customers complain about the current models.

Interesting. If I am to get a Sig and want a " newer " model how am I to know that what I am getting is the newer version and not just an NOS (new old stock)?? I need some pointers, please.

JosephP
08-01-2011, 3:04 PM
Both pistols are good choice...
But If you willing to spend some time to practice and invest some money into pistol...
1911 is the answer in my opinion...
Good luck.

InGrAM
08-01-2011, 4:12 PM
Interesting. If I am to get a Sig and want a " newer " model how am I to know that what I am getting is the newer version and not just an NOS (new old stock)?? I need some pointers, please.

If you get a GSR made after 2005ish, Or any "1911" Sig you will be just fine. Basically any 1911 made by sig will work ;D

DArBad
08-01-2011, 4:45 PM
If you get a GSR made after 2005ish, Or any "1911" Sig you will be just fine. Basically any 1911 made by sig will work ;D

Thanks for the response, InGrAM:)

The SoCal Gunner
08-01-2011, 5:01 PM
Having owned a Sig P220St and countless 1911s I would say both but if I had to choose 1 I would go with the 1911.

If you are talking about the standard DA/SA Sigs the main benefits I see is that it is DA/SA and the stock mags are good. The gun is extremely reliable as well.

But after working out kinks of a 1911 if any, my preference for the 1911 is that it is slimmer and the single action trigger can't be beat resulting in very accurate shooting. The 1911 is just easy to be accurate with.

Going up to the other 220 models might change my mind though. I have always wanted to try/buy a Sig P220 Super Match.

But I still haven't answered your question. Of the ones you listed I would go with a P220 if it is for home defense or shtf type gun. If for shooting I'd go with the longslide.

longhairchris
08-02-2011, 7:28 AM
A friend of mine just got the Springfield long slide, very nice beastly gun. Great fit & finish, excellent shooter. Another friend of mine is picking up a Sig 1911 target in a few days (he's a big Sig fan), myabe we'll get together and do a side by side comparison.

XD Guy
08-02-2011, 4:20 PM
I have at least a half a dozen 1911's (Kimber, Wilson Combat, Springfield Armory etc.), 4 2011's (all STI), an H&K in 45, a Sig in 45, several Glocks in both 45 ACP and 45 GAP, along with a Springfield Armory 5" XD in 45 ACP. The one I would grab if my life depended on it would be the XD.

Daggermouth
08-02-2011, 8:56 PM
What SoCalGunner said: if it's for carry/homedefense/SHTF p220 you can't go wrong.
For accuracy/precision at the range 1911.

But I would pick a Sig 1911. So... I guess my vote is for p220. I own the stainless one and it's my favorite handgun and gets the most range time.

Daggermouth
08-02-2011, 8:57 PM
OOPs I meant I would NOT choose a Sig if I was going to go the 1911 route. I'd go Kimber or SA.

map
08-02-2011, 9:00 PM
One vote for the Springfield

InGrAM
08-02-2011, 9:24 PM
OOPs I meant I would NOT choose a Sig if I was going to go the 1911 route. I'd go Kimber or SA.

You can use the EDIT button you know ;)

Daggermouth
08-02-2011, 9:28 PM
I would have except in the iPhone mobile version it doesn't have one and I'm too lazy to get out of bed and get my laptop out :)

HOLD the phone... It does have edit on the normal version! Learn something new everyday!