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AJAX22
07-24-2011, 4:44 PM
I'm a bit pissed today....

One of my letters to the ATF came back...

7 pages of detailed specific questions got answered with a 'Well we answer most of those in our general info someplace... the rest isn't our problem"

With respect to the boys at F troop... they DID NOT answer any of the questions or I would not have written them a 7 page letter asking those questions....

so pissed....

going to go for a walk and get coffee...

then I'm writing happy 'clarifying' notes to the ATF and to treasury....

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/CCF07242011_00000.jpg

Toyz
07-24-2011, 5:04 PM
Just send 70 pages with one question on each page.

vantec08
07-24-2011, 5:35 PM
With bean counters, one must fingerpaint specific houses, animals, trees etc.

bussda
07-24-2011, 6:00 PM
Gotta love the bureaucracy. :)

May I suggest you contact the local (or responible) Industry Operations Group. May get a better response.

I have read that FTB is not answering the phone or returning calls because of that 'Gunrunner/Gunwallker' thing...

BannedinBritain
07-24-2011, 6:10 PM
Sending a 7-page letter with questions? I'm kinda not surprised they just pointed you to the Q&A page. They're purposefully vague when they answer letters in the first place...so the answer to many of your questions probably would have been answered in identical fashion.

If you just want answers to straight forward questions...call and make an appointment with a field rep. If they don't know, they'll at least be willing to help you get some clarification. It's not like you are trying to do something radically on the edge of the law and are trying to get them to green light it in a letter, right?

Email works better for rapid responses as well...and I would suggest not putting it all in one email...break it up a little bit.

Think of it this way...most people, not all but most, would immediately react negatively to a 7 page question...lol. And you said this was only "one" of your letters? Hopefully your name isn't becoming known as "Oh yeah, that guy" around the water cooler.

Just a humble opinion to be taken for what it's worth. :D

AJAX22
07-24-2011, 7:07 PM
Sending a 7-page letter with questions? I'm kinda not surprised they just pointed you to the Q&A page. They're purposefully vague when they answer letters in the first place...so the answer to many of your questions probably would have been answered in identical fashion.

If you just want answers to straight forward questions...call and make an appointment with a field rep. If they don't know, they'll at least be willing to help you get some clarification. It's not like you are trying to do something radically on the edge of the law and are trying to get them to green light it in a letter, right?

Email works better for rapid responses as well...and I would suggest not putting it all in one email...break it up a little bit.

Think of it this way...most people, not all but most, would immediately react negatively to a 7 page question...lol. And you said this was only "one" of your letters? Hopefully your name isn't becoming known as "Oh yeah, that guy" around the water cooler.

Just a humble opinion to be taken for what it's worth. :D

It took that long because I broke it down into small clear questions which would eliminate any uncertainty in response.

They would not be answered the same way...

I sent the letter certified for a reason.... if i sent an email or just a phone call it wouldn't have the same impact.

if they do answer these questions in writing, there could be significant gains for us (particularly in CA)

Californio
07-24-2011, 8:14 PM
Maybe they watch Porn like the SEC and your questions interrupted.

BannedinBritain
07-24-2011, 9:39 PM
if they do answer these questions in writing, there could be significant gains for us (particularly in CA)

This is why you'll only get "See the Q&A on our website" or "See 18 U.S.C. 922" from them. They'll give you vagaries and incomplete answers at best.

monk
07-24-2011, 9:48 PM
Haha, at least it wasn't 7 pages with blacked out text.

eaglemike
07-24-2011, 10:36 PM
Maybe this is where the Ca DOJ got their propensity for clarity and accuracy of response (or vice versa). :(

Sucks when people won't do their job.

de1911
07-24-2011, 10:49 PM
Can you post your original letter?

Otherwise it is difficult to agree or disagree with your complaint.

G-forceJunkie
07-25-2011, 12:29 AM
Can you resend them 7, one page letters?

AJAX22
07-25-2011, 2:37 PM
Can you post your original letter?

Otherwise it is difficult to agree or disagree with your complaint.

Unfortunatly I Can't post the original letter yet, (part of the arangement I made to be able to file on behalf of an 02/07)

Once I have the questions answered I should be able to post all correspondance.

eaglemike
07-25-2011, 3:26 PM
Can you post your original letter?

Otherwise it is difficult to agree or disagree with your complaint.
If you knew the history of the OP's efforts here and had read previous correspondence............ :)

AJAX22
07-25-2011, 6:17 PM
If you knew the history of the OP's efforts here and had read previous correspondence............ :)

well the good news is that they didn't weasel on the pinfire ruling yet...

I submitted two copies of that to two different offices certified (tech and the dc admin office they said was the right place to send it)....

So in theory ruling 11-4 could be the 'Ajax ruling'... :D

Quser.619
07-25-2011, 6:17 PM
Hell they aren't answering questions from Congress, who have subpoena powers, are you really surprised they're ignoring a citizen's request?

I'm not belittling your efforts, just not that surprised.

I encountered something similar when I asked Barbara Boxer when was the last time she visited her San Diego Office, because her office had said she hadn't in over 2 years. Never have gotten that answer.

AJAX22
07-25-2011, 6:21 PM
Hell they aren't answering questions from Congress, who have subpoena powers, are you really surprised they're ignoring a citizen's request?

I'm not belittling your efforts, just not that surprised.

I encountered something similar when I asked Barbara Boxer when was the last time she visited her San Diego Office, because her office had said she hadn't in over 2 years. Never have gotten that answer.

Yeah... they do have a bit of a track record.

On a positive note, things are progressing regarding obtaining media credentials, and in theory next summer will be the summer of FOIA....

then we get to really start digging ;)

12voltguy
07-25-2011, 7:34 PM
I'm a bit pissed today....

One of my letters to the ATF came back...

7 pages of detailed specific questions got answered with a 'Well we answer most of those in our general info someplace... the rest isn't our problem"

With respect to the boys at F troop... they DID NOT answer any of the questions or I would not have written them a 7 page letter asking those questions....

so pissed....

going to go for a walk and get coffee...

then I'm writing happy 'clarifying' notes to the ATF and to treasury....
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/CCF07242011_00000.jpg

are you sending a manifesto ?:D

eaglemike
07-25-2011, 9:43 PM
My favorite was the research on the "How to count votes Charles Rangel style." Your work, right? Very well done. I look forward to this one also.

(CalGuns.net can be such a cool place)
:)

SJgunguy24
07-25-2011, 9:59 PM
Ajax has something up his sleeve, he always does. He tends be more of a chess player, thinking about 5 moves from now. At least that's what I learned while working for an associate of his. We'll find out in due time.