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glockk9mm
01-07-2007, 12:34 PM
I am going to buy a bolt rifle and need help choosing. My choice of calibers at this time is .223 or 308. The following are the rifles I'm interested In.

http://www.savagearms.com/12fvss.htm
http://www.savagearms.com/10fp.htm
http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm

or a Howa rifle I seen at Turners that I cant find anywhere on the net with a Mcmillan or look Alike green stock. I will mainly be using this rifle for target shooting to about 300yrds. How are the Howa rifles compared to the savages/stevens. I threw in the Stevens cause it's cheap and can be upgradable from what I hear. What do you guys think?

HKROB
01-07-2007, 2:27 PM
I like this one in 308 http://www.savagearms.com/12bvss.htm
or you can get the one with the black stock.

6172crew
01-07-2007, 2:32 PM
I have a bolt gun in .308 and after a dozen or so rounds it gets kinda old with the amount of recoil that round puts out.

If your looking to punch paper why not get the .223?

If you ever plaN on hunting with it then why not the .308?

One time Klinto came through the base I was stationed at and I got to check out the SS sniper rifles and they were using Rem 700s in 7mm.

7mm might be a pretty neat round to look into if you plan on buying maTCH type ammo anyhow.

swift
01-07-2007, 2:39 PM
For shooting at 300 yards, I'd suggest the .308 bolt. I think that if you get tired of it and want to sell it, you'd probably have more people interested in a .308 bolt than a .223 bolt.

.308s are a lot of fun to shoot.

shonc99
01-07-2007, 2:50 PM
As posted previously, if you are going to be hunting, then a .308 is a better option.

I have a rem 700 VSF in .308 and love it but it is not a hunting gun with the 26" heavy barrel. If I replace it, it will be the same make/ model but with a shorter barrel and possibly a switch to 300 win mag.

I also have a 24" Varmit barrel AR upper that is great for plinking and is very accurate but wouldn't be very good for hunting.

If all else fails buy both calibers:)

5968
01-07-2007, 3:48 PM
Out of the three, I would go with the savage FP10. Just my $0.02

KIDRR
01-07-2007, 4:39 PM
.308 all the way, it will kill almost anything in north America. Great all around gun

lonewolf
01-07-2007, 6:32 PM
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ocabj
01-07-2007, 6:36 PM
If you want a .223, .22-250, or .204, I highly recommend getting the Model 12 long range precision varminter rifle:

http://www.savagearms.com/12PrecVarm.htm

It's a single shot bolt action, left side port. What is extremely impressive besides the 1" straight tube (no contour) factory barrel, the action is quite a bit beefier than the standard 10/12/110/112 action. Go to your favorite gun shop to see if they have one on display and take a look at it.

This is a great gun out of the box (with a HS Precision stock and not the flimsy base Savage stock), and if you decide to go with a better cartridge (ie: 6mmBR, .260 Remington, etc), this action will make for a great custom rifle.

It the words of Borat, "Very nice!".

My second recommendation would be the 12BVSS or 12BVSS-S. The laminate stock on the BVSS model is excellent.

Vepr62
01-07-2007, 6:46 PM
For APR (all purpose rifle) .308 can't be beat, but if you want the rifle for punching paper targets, get .223, it would definately be easier on your shoulder. I never shot savage, but Howa are way underrated. I own a Howa Lightning in .243, and I can punch 1/2 inch holes at 100 yards with ANY factory loads with 58-75 grain bullets. For .308, I would recomend Remington 700P LTR.(I own one) With 20 in. fluted HB it is great shooter and pretty lite to carry.
Vasiliy

Altahick
01-07-2007, 6:50 PM
i have the stevens short action in .243 and i have no complaints, it shoots easy 1 inch at 100yds, it has the savage 110 action, just with a cheap stock. if you have the money i would go for the accutriger models, or the remy 700, but for the money the stevens is a great shooter.

heres mine with pics of my 100yd grouping
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=45811

glockk9mm
01-07-2007, 7:30 PM
Well it's going to be a hard choice. I like the green stock Howa I seen at turners. I mentioned above that it's a McMillan look alike stock, I was wrong it's not even close to a McMillan, it's the houge overmold with the scope in the bottom picture. But at 700.00 I dont know if its worth getting the howa. keep giving me suggestions. I would like to stay in the 308 or 223 calibers.

http://www.legacysports.com/promotions/howahogue/index.htm

sigs229
01-07-2007, 7:55 PM
another vote for 308. very versatile round. it does have a kick to it. i had to get a limbsaver for my 700p.:o

shonc99
01-08-2007, 12:05 AM
another vote for 308. very versatile round. it does have a kick to it. i had to get a limbsaver for my 700p.

I broke my collarbone a year ago and have had problems in my shoulder ever since- go figure.

I can shoot AR's all day no problem but a few rounds from a .308 or larger and I'm done for. I bought a recoil pad from PAST(?) and it works wonders.

From the other posts, it boils done to how much you want to shoot and what you plan to shoot at.

.223= shoot paper all day no problem:) , may not be good for other targets:( .

.308= seriously more stopping power:D , but less shots before tenderizing your shoulder.:eek:

Fjold
01-08-2007, 7:05 AM
I thought that I posted this last night but I don't know where it went.

For 300 yards either round will work well. The 223 will be cheaper to shoot by far and probably easier to become a better shot with earlier, due to the less recoil and more practice that you'll get.

It's not till you get well past 300 yards before you will realize the benefits of the 308 for target shooting.

glockk9mm
01-08-2007, 5:41 PM
How is the 308 recoil compared to the 30-06? I bought a 30-06 about 2months ago and it started to kill my shoulder at about 20rnds, thats why I thought downgrading to smaller calibers it would help, and it would be cheaper to shoot also.

madjack956
01-08-2007, 5:49 PM
The earlier posters are right about the recoil, but I still would go with .308

I bought a Tikka Tactical a couple years ago and it comes with a threaded muzzle. So, I machined up a break for it and it made a world of difference. I actually copied the Ca. compliant muzzlebreak on my M1A.

You may want to consider having a gunsmith thread your barrel and make a break for you. Your shoulder will love you for it...


MY .02

Jack

glockk9mm
01-08-2007, 5:57 PM
The earlier posters are right about the recoil, but I still would go with .308

I bought a Tikka Tactical a couple years ago and it comes with a threaded muzzle. So, I machined up a break for it and it made a world of difference. I actually copied the Ca. compliant muzzlebreak on my M1A.

You may want to consider having a gunsmith thread your barrel and make a break for you. Your shoulder will love you for it...


MY .02

Jack

kind of like this one
http://savagearms.com/16fhsak.htm

Thanks to you letting me know about the muzzle brake, now I'm leaning towards this rifle. Now the only thing is to decide if I really want a 308 vs the more affoardable 223

Fjold
01-08-2007, 6:11 PM
How is the 308 recoil compared to the 30-06? I bought a 30-06 about 2months ago and it started to kill my shoulder at about 20rnds, thats why I thought downgrading to smaller calibers it would help, and it would be cheaper to shoot also.

With similar loads and similar rifles the 308 should have about almost the same as the 30.06 there is only about a 3-5% difference in performance so recoil should be similar.