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doubletaptd
01-06-2007, 9:35 AM
What do you guys think is the better dedicated upper? DPMS or VZ-22 or maybe something else under $500.

Thanks.

maxicon
01-06-2007, 9:46 AM
I've got a DPMS upper that has worked well for me. Here's a review I wrote up on it some time back:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=28553

Some folks have had problems with them firing out of battery and destroying the mag, but mine's been OK so far.

You can also go to the AR15 rimfire and pistol caliber forum to read up a bit:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=15

Tyler
01-06-2007, 9:54 AM
I am thinking about getting the bushmaster upper. Both are under what you want to pay.

16in
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/uppers/post-ban/az15846k.asp

20in
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/uppers/az15847k.asp

doubletaptd
01-06-2007, 9:59 AM
will they ship to California?

Scarecrow Repair
01-06-2007, 12:25 PM
It's carbon fiber and the rear sight is part of the upper, not a rail mount. You'd need a hack saw to get it off. I had not noticed that when I ordered it.

The way the recoil is handled is a bit funky. The recoil spring is half in the bolt carrier and half in the buffer tube. To break the rifle open for cleaning, you HAVE to remove it completely, and you HAVE to remove the front pin first, or at least at the same time as the rear pin. If you forget and think for a sec it is a standard break, and remove the rear pin first or only and pivot it on the front pin, you will mangle the recoil spring.

The magazines are stiff as heck. They need sanding to make them drop out and slide in easily. See the following paragraph on why this is more a pain than it should be.

Last, it gets dirty very easily and the recoil is enough to chamber a new round but once in a while it does not cock the hammer. You have to drop the mag half an inch and manually cock it, then push the mag back in. Otherwise your manual cocking will try to chamber a second round Combine this with oversized magazines which don't drop out or slide in easily and you double the grumbling.

I would guess that out of a hundred rounds, 3 or 4 will require manual recocking. This gets old after the second one.

All in all, I am not excited by it. .22 is still a lot of fun, and way cheaper than 5.56, but the experience is not the best.

EDIT:

I have the 16". The 20" is $80 more but at least has a real carry handle, although I can't tell from the picture if the handle is detachable and has rails underneath. It is also a chrome lined barrel, which the 16" isn't. Still has the weird recoil spring which requires you to remove both pins to clean. I don't think I'd like it much better.

Scarecrow Repair
01-06-2007, 3:35 PM
i have a 16" bushy upper but havent shot it yet. i believe the sight rail can be removed with an allen wrench, and you could buy a flat rail from bushmaster to replace it, dont think you need to hacksaw it off unless your real cheap.
I don't have mine with me right now or I'd check that. Are there screws somewhere holding it on? It looked to me like it was part of the mold, but I was pretty surprised and went on to other things, didn't spend a lot of time poking and prying.

gose
01-06-2007, 4:53 PM
I am thinking about getting the bushmaster upper. Both are under what you want to pay.
16in
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/uppers/post-ban/az15846k.asp
20in
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/uppers/az15847k.asp

I wanted a non-carbon 16" upper, so I called Bushmaster and had them put one together for me. Flat top aluminum upper with 16" barrel :)

I agree with a previous poster, the mags kinda suck. However, my rifle functions fine when I use CCI minimags, Federal American Eagle is so so and CCI standard the worst. Blazer didn't work either, if I remember correctly.

I think I paid $500 for mine, so I guess that would be borderline for you...

Mine will be for sale as soon as the JP .22 upper is available again ;)

MotoGuy
01-06-2007, 5:31 PM
I like the full auto Tactical Inovations 22lr upper with the 275rd drum. :D

http://www.tacticalinc.com/am15s-upper-receiverbrsemi-auto-capable-ar15-only-p-555.html

jumbopanda
01-06-2007, 5:52 PM
I like the full auto Tactical Inovations 22lr upper with the 275rd drum. :D

http://www.tacticalinc.com/am15s-upper-receiverbrsemi-auto-capable-ar15-only-p-555.html

On a scale of 1 to awesome, that's pretty damn sweet. But anything above kinda cool is not allowed in Kalifornistan.

doubletaptd
01-07-2007, 6:38 PM
Does anyone think the cz uppers are descent enough to buy one?
I would like something with a flat top and bull barrel if possible for a dedicated .22lr lower

ocabj
01-07-2007, 6:39 PM
The best .22LR upper for the AR?

http://www.compasslake.com/22uppers.htm

jumbopanda
01-07-2007, 7:02 PM
The best .22LR upper for the AR?

http://www.compasslake.com/22uppers.htm

I got one of those!


...and ringed the barrel! :(

rssslvr
01-07-2007, 7:16 PM
Does anyone think the cz uppers are descent enough to buy one?
I would like something with a flat top and bull barrel if possible for a dedicated .22lr lower
Grammaton has one of the cz uppers and it shotts pretty nice.I plan on picking one up sooner or later.

maxicon
01-08-2007, 9:49 AM
I got one of those!


...and ringed the barrel! :(


So, what happened?

maxicon
01-08-2007, 11:01 AM
Here's a CZ V22 upper for sale at arfcom - 4 mags and cheap scope included for $300.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=406584

SC-Texas
01-15-2007, 5:08 PM
I have the VZ-22, but they screwed the designer out of his royalties so that one is out on principal.

Have you looked at the Kuehl?

gose
01-22-2007, 2:56 PM
A 16" barrel in an aluminum upper is $500. It's not a stock item so you will have to wait a few weeks, but I decided that waiting a few weeks was better than getting a carbon upper...

rjb
01-23-2007, 9:50 PM
A friend and I have both bought CZ V22 uppers and have had absolutly no problems with them. Both have been put with standard OLL's one with a inexpensive red dot sight and one with a 3-12 power scope and bipod. they booth shoot great and have gotten a lot of postive response from other shooters and friends.
Cheap accurate and fun!

thmpr
01-23-2007, 10:33 PM
Waiting on the JP upper....

grywlfbg
02-13-2007, 10:34 PM
Anyone tried a .22 conversion instead of a dedicated upper? I found this site:

http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm

Nice and cheap. But does it work? I'll also do some searches over on ar15.com.

They also have one for Hi-powers - I could jump on the whole .22LR bandwagon :)

Chris

gose
02-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Anyone tried a .22 conversion instead of a dedicated upper? I found this site:
http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm
Nice and cheap. But does it work? I'll also do some searches over on ar15.com.
They also have one for Hi-powers - I could jump on the whole .22LR bandwagon :)
Chris

I think people are somewhat nervous about this since you basically have a fully functional evil rifle with just a .22 insert. Taking out the insert doesn't take long and requires no tool.

Too close for comfort to me. YMMV.

.22 Conversion kits for handguns are usually not worth it. Most that I have seen or owned have had reliability issues or other problems making them inferior to "real" .22s.

guimus
02-14-2007, 12:19 AM
twist rate is also way off (probably) if using a .223 barrel to shoot .22lr. Most commercial 22's out there have a 1:16 to 1:14 twist rate. Newer .223 barrels are most likely 1:9 to 1:7.

Spdjunkie
02-14-2007, 12:28 AM
Agree w/ above Also:

- The wax on most .22lr rounds makes for crap in the gas tube, they say to just shoot some .223/5.56 after yoru done to heat things up and blow the crap out, I'm so NOT for that, YMMV.

I actually have a NIB CZ V22 Upper w/ 3 New Mags that will be up for sale here in a bit, as soon as I get off my _____, :D Bought it, forgot I had it :confused: then now dont need it......

Forgot reason for above rant, For a dedicated .22lr rifle that is made for that round its excellant, Another interesting thing it will take most of your reg. AR rails so you can still make it look "tacticool" w/ a quad rail.

Have a good one,
F.T.K.

mltrading
02-14-2007, 10:27 AM
Last time I checked with DPMS about their .22LR upper. They said they pulled it out of their catalog and working on that. Any update?

Clodbuster
02-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Little pricey, but a definite head turner:

http://www.lakesideguns.com/title1/upper.html

Clod

gose
02-14-2007, 3:25 PM
Last time I checked with DPMS about their .22LR upper. They said they pulled it out of their catalog and working on that. Any update?

Im also waiting, havent heard a thing. Rumors say new design and high caps...

thomye
02-14-2007, 4:32 PM
i just ordrered the olympic arms 22/17HM2 conversion.
http://www.thomye.com/applications/mig/albums/Shooting/2007-01/partner.jpg

they are made to order so it will be a while before i even get it but once i do, i'll post a range report.

the only thing i didn't like about it was the built in handle. but without the sleeves, the upper is useless so it's a dedicated 22/17 (rimfire). even better, it uses an adapter you incert into a standard magazine. i figure for plinking and light scoping, this should be lots of fun.

Librarian
02-14-2007, 10:17 PM
On a scale of 1 to awesome, that's pretty damn sweet. But anything above kinda cool is not allowed in Kalifornistan.Outstanding! I'm going to steal that, it says so much in a short quote.

45R
09-16-2008, 4:44 AM
Does BM still make a dedicated .22LR upper?

offrdmania
09-16-2008, 7:31 AM
Nothing like opening an old can of worms. For $70 more you can get yourself a Spikes upper and feel confident that you made the right decision. Seems to be the benchmark right now

Black Majik
09-16-2008, 9:55 AM
LOL what an old thread. The things that were available back in the day...

sheesh... :D



Hey Nelson,

How's that ceiner kit running? Or are you looking into a dedicated .22 upper now?

ironpete
09-16-2008, 10:48 AM
Anybody use Tactical Solutions uppers?

http://tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=27&idproduct=878

-pete

dd03
09-16-2008, 8:41 PM
Waiting on the JP upper....

Do you have anymore info on this?

45R
09-16-2008, 9:09 PM
LOL what an old thread. The things that were available back in the day...

sheesh... :D



Hey Nelson,

How's that ceiner kit running? Or are you looking into a dedicated .22 upper now?


Kit is running great! Just checking out what the options are for dedicated uppers. :D