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jdberger
07-17-2011, 12:15 PM
Apparently freed from the necessity to follow the Brady Campaign's self-defeating philosophy of "guns are bad...don't have guns", former Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke wished that the NRA still taught gun safety to grade school children like they did when he was a kid (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110716/NEWS02/307160055/Hoosier-Paul-Helmke-finishing-presidency-gun-control-group?odyssey=mod_sectionstories).

When I was in sixth grade, I got my NRA marksmanship badges. They taught me as a grade-schooler that guns are serious and dangerous and need to be looked at with heavy responsibility. I wish that's the message they still conveyed today.


Of course, Mr. Helmke neglects to mention that gun safety has been pushed out of grade schools primarily due to the efforts of groups like the Brady Campaign (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/nras-eddie-eagle-doesnt-f_b_572285.html) and Violence Policy Center (http://www.vpc.org/eddie.htm).

Hundreds of thousands of children get the benefit of Sex Ed, Health and drug & alcohol awareness education every year. They're offered training in how to safely drive a car. They're taught about common hazards like houshold poisons and electricity. But even though there are more than 200 million guns in the US, they're denied basic gun safety training.

I'm glad that Paul Helmke (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sad+panda)seems to have come to his senses - it's a shame that he couldn't have done it earlier. So many lives could have been saved.

wc12
07-17-2011, 12:24 PM
In my opinion, he did what he got paid for even if it's contrary to his belief. No difference with a whore. Oh wait, a whore sometimes likes doing what she gets paid for.

MP301
07-17-2011, 12:29 PM
The next paragraph. He just takes a jab at the NRA. He has not "come to his senses"


"But since I was in sixth grade, they've become a lot more political and are pushing guns out there just to push guns out there. While I know they still do some of these gun safety and gun training type things, I think so much of that message of the risks of gun ownership and the responsibilities of gun ownership has been lost in the shuffle."

FullMetalJacket
07-17-2011, 12:41 PM
I have little doubt that Mr. Helmke's version of early gun safety training would amount to nothing more than anti-gun propaganda posing as education.

pointedstick
07-17-2011, 1:39 PM
Yet another reason for public education to be abolished—it makes every group fight for the political power to twist the curriculum in their own favor. This whole school curriculum battle is ridiculous. If the government only got out of the business of centralized control of schools and let them teach what their communities and customers wanted, people could be free to patronize the schools that best reflected their own values, rather than being forced into a one-size-fits-all school and reduced to begging politicians to change the curriculum if they didn't like it.

Wernher von Browning
07-17-2011, 1:47 PM
Apparently freed from the necessity to follow the Brady Campaign's self-defeating philosophy of "guns are bad...don't have guns", former Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke wished that the NRA still taught gun safety to grade school children like they did when he was a kid (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110716/NEWS02/307160055/Hoosier-Paul-Helmke-finishing-presidency-gun-control-group?odyssey=mod_sectionstories).



Three things.

1. Methinks my hypocrisy bucket runneth over.

2. How ya gonna teach gun safety in a GFSZ? With styrofoam cutouts?

3. What would it cost the NRA to have this guy go around stumping for their side of the argument? (Cost tempered by the fact that he's not a terribly good, or persuasive, speaker).

Wouldn't that be an in-your-face to the Bradys?

G60
07-17-2011, 2:01 PM
Operative clause in that quote: "I wish that's the message they still conveyed today."

He just wishes they were not involved in litigation and protection of the right.

Well, Paul, we wish that's a message they were still allowed to convey today, but groups like you-know-who throw a ****-fit anytime we suggest gun safety be taught in schools.

Lex Arma
07-17-2011, 4:02 PM
I thought the Brady Bunch, LCAV and Violence Policy Center pushed the idea that the NRA's Eddie Eagle program was to the gun industry, what Joe Camel was to the cigarette industry. Of course both ideas were absurd, but it showed that these nose-pickers and bed-wetters were less interested in gun safety than they were obsessed with keeping - even the idea of - guns away from children.

Maybe Helmke is sincere, but he need to do more than have some kind of self-serving, dis-jointed moment of clarity.

Bet someone on this forum could dig up some snide remark made by an anti-gun organization about NRA's Eddie Eagle while Helmke was in charge of that organization.

The Shadow
07-17-2011, 4:07 PM
I thought the Brady Bunch, LCAV and Violence Policy Center pushed the idea that the NRA's Eddie Eagle program was to the gun industry, what Joe Camel was to the cigarette industry. Of course both ideas were absurd, but it showed that these nose-pickers and bed-wetters were less interested in gun safety than they were obsessed with keeping - even the idea of - guns away from children.

Maybe Helmke is sincere, but he need to do more than have some kind of self-serving, dis-jointed moment of clarity.

Bet someone on this forum could dig up some snide remark made by an anti-gun organization about NRA's Eddie Eagle while Helmke was in charge of that organization.


Paul Helmke needs to do penance, by doing at least 3 months in an Eddie Eagle costume at schools around the U.S.

G60
07-17-2011, 4:32 PM
Bet someone on this forum could dig up some snide remark made by an anti-gun organization about NRA's Eddie Eagle while Helmke was in charge of that organization.

Too easy. Not just a snide remark or two, but an entire blog post penned by none other than, you guessed it, Paul Helmke.

http://blog.bradycampaign.org/?p=2224&s=1

" it would be wise to stop this misguided excuse for gun safety education in its tracks. The NRA dresses up its gun safety course in the guise of a colorful cartoon character named Eddie Eagle."

HowardW56
07-17-2011, 4:42 PM
In my opinion, he did what he got paid for even if it's contrary to his belief. No difference with a whore. Oh wait, a whore sometimes likes doing what she gets paid for.


:rofl2:


So true..........

Kid Stanislaus
07-17-2011, 4:44 PM
I'm glad that Paul Helmke seems to have come to his senses - it's a shame that he couldn't have done it earlier. So many lives could have been saved.

And undoubtedly many of them would have been children!:rolleyes:

The Shadow
07-17-2011, 5:23 PM
Anyone wanna guess when Dennis Henigan walks ?

Dead*Reckoned
07-17-2011, 5:24 PM
I'd like to see a Helmke + NRA team working together to start pushing the proper safety training of firearms at a young age, unless helmke was pushing for the "if you see an evil gun, run away and tell an adult before it jumps up and attacks you."

dantodd
07-17-2011, 5:50 PM
May not be as horrible an idea as it first sounds. Heck, this might even be the first salvo in just such a cooperative endeavor.

1) Helmke is a darling of the anti-gun media.

2) Helmke comes out talking about the importance of gun safety now that 2A is an individual right.

3) Helmke says that the NRA *used* to have a good education program but is now broken.

4) Helmke declares he's going to put together an "appropriate" gun safety program for kids.

5) Media and schools eat it up and commit $ and curriculum space to the project.

6) Helmke announces that after thousands of hours of research and working with the NRA he has helped re-vamp the Eddie the Eagle program so that it is now appropriate for kids in school.

7) Although he is still very much against many of the NRA positions on guns and violence the safety of our kids is too important to permit such differences interfere. NRA already has instructors etc. So he urges all schools to adopt the Eddie the Eagle program.....

You just never know.

Burbur
07-17-2011, 6:42 PM
If the NRA offered him the salary The Brady's did, he'd put on the eagle suit and read anything pro-gun that was put in front of him. wc12 said it best, he is a whore.

Maestro Pistolero
07-17-2011, 8:04 PM
If the NRA offered him the salary The Brady's did, he'd put on the eagle suit and read anything pro-gun that was put in front of him. wc12 said it best, he is a whore.

I don't know. He was an advocate for something we all disagree with vehemently, but wouldn't it be a great PR move for him to switch teams?

yakmon
07-17-2011, 8:09 PM
hannigan will quit at the same time helmke did, when the paychecks stopped coming.

Swiss
07-17-2011, 9:18 PM
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you researched just a little about how women are coerced into sexual bondage, too afraid to escape, and herded through cities on circuits, you'd never make a statement like this.

LEO's, back me up and squash this kind of talk.


In my opinion, he did what he got paid for even if it's contrary to his belief. No difference with a whore. Oh wait, a whore sometimes likes doing what she gets paid for.

ddestruel
07-17-2011, 10:39 PM
hannigan will quit at the same time helmke did, when the paychecks stopped coming.



^^^^ This is my belief

CalNRA
07-18-2011, 7:40 AM
Coming up tomorrow, former Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke endorses breathing oxygen and consuming sufficient amount of liquid each day for humans, in an effort to demonstrate he is still relevant.

JagerTroop
07-18-2011, 8:19 AM
I don't know. He was an advocate for something we all disagree with vehemently, but wouldn't it be a great PR move for him to switch teams?

Kinda makes me think of this
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/25358-25891.gif

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you researched just a little about how women are coerced into sexual bondage, too afraid to escape, and herded through cities on circuits, you'd never make a statement like this.

LEO's, back me up and squash this kind of talk.

Really? I believe wc12 stated, "sometimes".

I think this falls under that catagory

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/bunny2(2).jpg

There is also, the porn industry. Some are forced/coerced, but some(if not most) are willful participants that love the lifestyle and the money (aka: whores)

Mulay El Raisuli
07-18-2011, 8:24 AM
May not be as horrible an idea as it first sounds. Heck, this might even be the first salvo in just such a cooperative endeavor.

1) Helmke is a darling of the anti-gun media.

2) Helmke comes out talking about the importance of gun safety now that 2A is an individual right.

3) Helmke says that the NRA *used* to have a good education program but is now broken.

4) Helmke declares he's going to put together an "appropriate" gun safety program for kids.

5) Media and schools eat it up and commit $ and curriculum space to the project.

6) Helmke announces that after thousands of hours of research and working with the NRA he has helped re-vamp the Eddie the Eagle program so that it is now appropriate for kids in school.

7) Although he is still very much against many of the NRA positions on guns and violence the safety of our kids is too important to permit such differences interfere. NRA already has instructors etc. So he urges all schools to adopt the Eddie the Eagle program.....

You just never know.


I want some of what you smoke. :)


The Raisuli

P.S. But yeah, it would be great.

socal2310
07-18-2011, 8:34 AM
I don't think Helmke has changed his position in any significant manner. He wants the NRA to return to the political margins, or perhaps to become a bolt-action rifle only organization. How many sportsmen support handgun bans? Quite a lot I would guess.

Ryan

Off topic:

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you researched just a little about how women are coerced into sexual bondage, too afraid to escape, and herded through cities on circuits, you'd never make a statement like this.

LEO's, back me up and squash this kind of talk.

That is actually a function of the black market, not inherent in the world's oldest profession. Don't get me wrong, I think there are few activities as degrading as selling your body on a per-diem basis (we find it much more socially acceptable when a long term contract is negotiated a la Anna Nicole Smith), but what do you think the porn industry is? Men pay good money to watch people having sex. Many, possibly most, would prefer to pay as direct participants in the act (that would certainly describe me as a young man) if it were not proscribed by law.

As exhibit A, I call your attention to the legal brothels operating in Nevada. Whatever else you can say about them, those prostitutes are not living in fear.