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Write Winger
07-11-2011, 7:09 PM
And this thread will remain pictureless :D

I've been coming up with a list of all the things she can do now (buy smokes, porn, lotto tickets, spray paint, dry ice... get piercings and tats, vote, get charged as an adult, go to strip clubs), but the most important thing was I said she MUST get a rifle or a shotgun so we can go shooting together.

Since I've had about 15 more years in the workforce than her, I have a bit more money than her. Now as for why I'm posting in the 2A section...

Two scenarios: 1) What has to happen if I bought her an AR w/ BB, completed rifle? 2) Can I buy her a stripped lower?

I know as much law as I've studied to keep my own guns legal, but not for someone else. I've heard when you're 18 you can buy a rifle, but you can't buy a lower receiver. I could just give her the money to buy a rifle and cut me out if the legal headache, but what if we went with the stripped receiver only?

Thanks in advance.

Bhobbs
07-11-2011, 7:19 PM
Since you are siblings you have to go through a FFL. The exemption applies to lineal transfers. Mother/Father to Child. Grandparent to grandchild.


Edit: You can be charged as an adult even as a minor.

AJAX22
07-11-2011, 7:22 PM
You could always give your dad/grandpa a rifle... and if he didn't like it, he could give it to her...

Bhobbs
07-11-2011, 7:23 PM
You could always give your dad/grandpa a rifle... and if he didn't like it, he could give it to her...

This.

wash
07-11-2011, 7:26 PM
If you want to build up a lower for her, you can buy it because you are over 21, assemble it, test fire, etc. then go to an FFL for a PPT of the complete rifle.

If you don't want to do that, there is the 80% route but she would have to do the manufacturing.

ElvenSoul
07-11-2011, 7:26 PM
Join the Military!

Write Winger
07-11-2011, 7:32 PM
Let's say she wants to assemble all the parts into a stripped lower (not going the 80% route).

What are the legalities of transferring a stripped lower to someone under 21?

jeep7081
07-11-2011, 7:36 PM
Let's say she wants to assemble all the parts into a stripped lower (not going the 80% route).

What are the legalities of transferring a stripped lower to someone under 21?

PPT or intrafamilial transfer?

wash
07-11-2011, 7:52 PM
PPT of a stripped lower is not legal as I understand it. She needs to be 21 for that.

If you build the rifle together, you can lend it to her for 30 days and complete the PPT transfer when she's not going to use it for ten days.

The only way for her to own a stripped lower is interfamilial transfer from a direct line relative (father, mother, grandparents, maybe legal guardian, not siblings).

bld0121
07-11-2011, 11:21 PM
You have 2 options:
1) Give her the money to buy a rifle complete.
or
2) Just buy a lower, build it how she wants, then do a PPT.

It's a PITA to pay the extra fee and the 10 day wait, but completely legal with the least amount of hassles for the both of you (besides just having her buy a complete rifle).

hoffmang
07-11-2011, 11:40 PM
You are a brave brother to post such things on this forum...

-Gene

winxp_man
07-11-2011, 11:51 PM
Stripped lower is only legal to buy if you are 21. Also in your case its still a no go. Do it really simple assemble the whole rifle go do the PPT and call it a day rather than get screwed and even end up in jail.

OutlawDon
07-12-2011, 12:09 AM
:useless:

jk!

That's awesome that you're taking her out shooting. Hopefully she'll enjoy the sport.

Munk
07-12-2011, 12:32 AM
You are a brave brother to post such things on this forum...

-Gene

A brave brother... who actively participates in a firearms forum.

Donny1
07-12-2011, 8:24 AM
A brave brother... who actively participates in a firearms forum.

Sounds like a shotgun wedding might be in order.

J.D.Allen
07-12-2011, 8:26 AM
:useless:



Aw man you beat me to it.

loather
07-12-2011, 8:36 AM
Is she hot?

(sorry, I couldn't resist).

huck
07-12-2011, 9:57 AM
My 20 year old son can't buy a pistol, but (as his father) I can legally give him one. Is a stripped lower different?

Hanniballs
07-12-2011, 10:13 AM
Is she hot?

(sorry, I couldn't resist).

:useless:

hawk1
07-12-2011, 10:42 AM
Is she hot?

(sorry, I couldn't resist).

Too late.

Neil already sent him a PM...:D

ripcurlksm
07-12-2011, 10:51 AM
OP you're a great brother. Question: is she genuinely interested in firearms? Does she show an interest in AR's, or maybe another rifle or shotgun? If you have a skeet/trap range a shotgun would be a lot of fun if she is into it. I know a lot of girls that are.

ubet
07-12-2011, 10:58 AM
Whats her number?

Havoc70
07-12-2011, 11:11 AM
Can we please not let this devolve into an off-topic worthy thread?

OP: I would say that the advice to build out the rifle then do a PPT is probably the best advice but even that's touchy. I'd avoid an AR all together and if you want to be able to use AR mags, get a completely featureless rifle like a KelTec SU-16.

760knox
07-12-2011, 11:14 AM
:useless:

jk!

That's awesome that you're taking her out shooting. Hopefully she'll enjoy the sport.

Aw man you beat me to it.

:useless:

:useless::useless:

OR

:ban:


Haha have to throw that out!!!

Mssr. Eleganté
07-12-2011, 2:15 PM
My 20 year old son can't buy a pistol, but (as his father) I can legally give him one. Is a stripped lower different?

You need to be at least 21 years of age to acquire a pistol or a stripped lower from an FFL.

But if both parties are California residents then you only need to be 18 to receive a pistol from your parent and there is no age restriction at all to receive a stripped lower from your parent.

Write Winger
07-12-2011, 2:27 PM
She grew up around my dad and I always playing with the Bushmaster (which has spent the last 11 years in Wyoming, now in Washington). She thinks having a black rifle would be hot, lol. Her BF is into rifles too, so it's cool. I'd like to still go the AR route. I think I'll buy the stripped lower and let her assemble it in my presence, then PPT to her when she's done. Getting to appreciate your rifle piece by piece is a great gift.

And still no pics :P

huck
07-12-2011, 2:38 PM
So, you could go son to dad, dad to daughter.

Mssr. Eleganté
07-12-2011, 2:47 PM
So, you could go son to dad, dad to daughter.

AJAX22 suggested that in post #3. Son can give it to father as a legitimate gift. If father didn't want it he could then give it to his daughter as a legitimate gift. But giving the lower to your father for the purpose of him giving it to his daughter to avoid a dealer transfer from brother to sister is illegal.

huck
07-12-2011, 2:52 PM
AJAX22 suggested that in post #3. Son can give it to father as a legitimate gift. If father didn't want it he could then give it to his daughter as a legitimate gift. But giving the lower to your father for the purpose of him giving it to his daughter to avoid a dealer transfer from brother to sister is illegal.

Yes, I shouldn't post stuff like that. I'm just speaking hypothetically so I can understand the law.

wash
07-12-2011, 3:30 PM
Yes, I shouldn't post stuff like that. I'm just speaking hypothetically so I can understand the law.
I think it is a punctuation issue, a question mark would have probably been appropriate.

warbird
07-12-2011, 4:07 PM
Find her something she can legally have and let her shoot with it until she is of age and then help her get what she really wants. No point ruining either of your rights with a possible weapons violation in this state. Also thank you for having the courage to ask this question and get some opinions from some of us who think they might be able to help. The last time I looked it was still the land of free speech and there is no such thing as a dumb question. only dumb people who do not ask if they do not know. We learn from each other. Find a good gun shop and see what they say her options are and what they are willing to help you with. Good luck.

aklover_91
07-12-2011, 5:11 PM
>.o 18 is old enough to own a rifle, last time I checked man.

wash
07-12-2011, 5:31 PM
I just had a thought.

Is CGF looking for plaintiffs?

I think there might have been a case about an 18-20 year old wanting to buy a pistol in Texas or something.

stitchnicklas
07-12-2011, 5:51 PM
You have 2 options:
1) Give her the money to buy a rifle complete.
or
2) Just buy a lower, build it how she wants, then do a PPT.

It's a PITA to pay the extra fee and the 10 day wait, but completely legal with the least amount of hassles for the both of you (besides just having her buy a complete rifle).

THIS^

arsilva32
07-12-2011, 7:36 PM
Is she hot?

(sorry, I couldn't resist).


lol took the words out of my mouth





seriously though thats very cool you can shoot with your sis,i just recently found out my sister and her husband are very much into shooting.

pdq_wizzard
07-12-2011, 7:52 PM
didn't see it, but the most improtant thing she can do now is VOTE!

Sin
07-12-2011, 8:00 PM
:clap: What a Great Brother!!! :thumbsup:

rjh4758
07-12-2011, 8:12 PM
So, you could go son to dad, dad to daughter.

Son to dad - $19 + dad to daughter $19= $38

PPT =$35

You save nothing dong it this way other than she can have a stripped lower. What you had said is the best - buy the lower, help her build it and then PPT it. By the way it is nice to see big bro taking care of his little sister.

Dead*Reckoned
07-12-2011, 10:06 PM
Op, I'm 18 too... She can shoot my guns.