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gunpacker
07-11-2011, 6:42 PM
Just a quick question.
I cannot get a straight answer from any of the security training centers about how to carry my firearm after work. I'm an armed guard & have a ccw but the weapon that I carry at work is not on my ccw at this time. I know that the weapon must be placed in a locked box unloaded. My question is, can I legally have my loaded magazines in my mag. pouch on my dult belt in the locked box with my unloaded firearm? My lock box is big enough that I can just take my duty belt off after unloaded my firearm, then re-holstering it then put the whole duty belt along with the mags in the mag pouch in the safe box & lock it down. Is it illegal to transport the loaded magazines in their pouch enough if the weapon is unloaded? Do I have to remove the mags from the belt and store them in a different locked box?

Thank you in advance,
I know that I'm just a "security guard"
But I want you guys to know that I have the utmost respect for you !!
If I was not 50+ years old, I'd be right by your side... Be safe !!

Gunpacker

MaHoTex
07-11-2011, 7:20 PM
... can I legally have my loaded magazines in my mag. pouch on my dult belt in the locked box with my unloaded firearm?

Yes. You are good to go.

Jonathan Doe
07-11-2011, 8:18 PM
Back in 80's when I was trained, it was legal to carry to and from work while still in uniform. You could not stop somewhere on the way. That was about 30 years ago, and I don't know if it changed now.

Librarian
07-11-2011, 9:17 PM
Back in 80's when I was trained, it was legal to carry to and from work while still in uniform. You could not stop somewhere on the way. That was about 30 years ago, and I don't know if it changed now.

Still an exception to 12031 - (d)(5) (d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to any of the following who
have been issued a certificate pursuant to Section 12033.

(5) Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated
in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and
uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator, while
actually engaged in protecting and preserving the property of their
employers or on duty or en route to or from their residences or their
places of employment, and security guards and alarm agents en route
to or from their residences or employer-required range training.

And yes, the loaded mags may be transported in the same locked container as the unloaded handgun.

PositiveInfluence
07-11-2011, 10:28 PM
To and from work you are good to go sir!

Notorious
07-12-2011, 6:23 PM
If I recall, security guards in uniform may have their whole belt with them including a loaded firearm, to and from work directly and no stops along the way... but then again, I see tons of security guards in full uniform going to 7-11 or other stores in full uniform in their POV... oh well, who cares.

nine mil thrill
07-12-2011, 6:45 PM
you must be -in uniform
you must be -on duty.........period.
(to carry an exposed firearm)

Librarian
07-12-2011, 7:35 PM
you must be -in uniform
you must be -on duty.........period.
(to carry an exposed firearm)

I quoted the PC above, that allows in-uniform open carry to or from residences or places of employment.

gunpacker
07-13-2011, 7:43 AM
Thanks guys,
I know that I can wear my duty belt on me while in uniform to & from work. But, what I want to know is can I carry the loaded mags in the pouch on my duty belt and have my weapon unloaded and carry them in the same box together locked. Does the carrying of loaded magazines on my duty belt w/ unloaded weapon in the holster and put them in the lock box constitute being a "loaded concealed weapon without a permit" ???

PositiveInfluence
07-13-2011, 9:45 AM
Thanks guys,
I know that I can wear my duty belt on me while in uniform to & from work. But, what I want to know is can I carry the loaded mags in the pouch on my duty belt and have my weapon unloaded and carry them in the same box together locked. Does the carrying of loaded magazines on my duty belt w/ unloaded weapon in the holster and put them in the lock box constitute being a "loaded concealed weapon without a permit" ???

I am not quite following what you are asking. You can carry your loaded mags in your pouches all you want as well as a loaded or unloaded firearm in your holster. But what lock box? If you mean a gun case then you need to carry your ammo and firearm separate if I remember correctly.

Librarian
07-13-2011, 11:37 AM
Thanks guys,
I know that I can wear my duty belt on me while in uniform to & from work. But, what I want to know is can I carry the loaded mags in the pouch on my duty belt and have my weapon unloaded and carry them in the same box together locked. Does the carrying of loaded magazines on my duty belt w/ unloaded weapon in the holster and put them in the lock box constitute being a "loaded concealed weapon without a permit" ???

You MAY carry magazines with unexpended ammunition (aka "loaded magazines") in the same locked container as the unloaded gun. You got the right answer in the first reply, by MaHoTex.

See the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Defining_loaded_in_California

Notorious
07-14-2011, 6:41 PM
My post says loaded gun and all. Yes. Everything. Guess they aren't too worried.

ironcross
07-14-2011, 7:23 PM
If I recall, security guards in uniform may have their whole belt with them including a loaded firearm, to and from work directly and no stops along the way... but then again, I see tons of security guards in full uniform going to 7-11 or other stores in full uniform in their POV... oh well, who cares.

I assume they don't go to 7-11 with their gun right? I could not imagine carrying my gun into a store while Armed security for fear of losing my license/job. I will wait till the day I'm LE and go to 7-11 for free coffee with my gun :D

Down here in SD County. We have a notorious (no pun intended :p) security company that thrives on looking like and sounding like the big leagues.

Called National Public Safety. I've heard them on their radio's and they mimic the SD Sheriff's here to a T. I went to a 7-11 and he was near the cashier on the phone. "This is Officer Bla bla, if you can give me a call back ASAP". He was armed, I just busted up laughing and left. They drive P-71s decked out with clear arjent bars etc.

A few years ago the PD here had a FTY which gained him VC 23153, 20003
Pkg81Ed68OU

Anyways to the OP as Librarian stated you're good to go. As long it's to/from point A to B.

Tacit Blue
07-14-2011, 7:44 PM
Down here in SD County. We have a notorious (no pun intended :p) security company that thrives on looking like and sounding like the big leagues.

Called National Public Safety. I've heard them on their radio's and they mimic the SD Sheriff's here to a T. I went to a 7-11 and he was near the cashier on the phone. "This is Officer Bla bla, if you can give me a call back ASAP". He was armed, I just busted up laughing and left. They drive P-71s decked out with clear arjent bars etc.

A few years ago the PD here had a FTY which gained him VC 23153, 20003
Pkg81Ed68OU

Anyways to the OP as Librarian stated you're good to go. As long it's to/from point A to B.

I know some of the Security Officers who work for this company. The CHP was on their *** a couple of years back, they were doing traffic stops on motorist. So the CHP started to cite them for any little cite they could get on them. These guys really do think they're Police.

Notorious
07-14-2011, 8:16 PM
Can't you get those jokers for impersonating and even false imprisonment if they are illegally detaining people?

ironcross
07-14-2011, 8:22 PM
Can't you get those jokers for impersonating and even false imprisonment if they are illegally detaining people?

One would think. I'm just surprised they are still in business. They got almost 1:1 on the patrol cars except the paint, trunk emblem, and light bar LED's.

It's just funny that on the radio their dispatcher is some pubescent boy and the 'Patrol' is a bunch of older fellows acting like San Diego Sheriff's Deputies.

50 Paul 2 I'm 10-8
Screech Voice: 10-4

I'll get you a recording one night if you need a laugh.

ironcross
07-14-2011, 8:33 PM
Ha ha...that car looks like a sheriff's car. In light of reading about this gecko45 person I have even started to make a habit of taking off my uniform shirt when going into stores on the way to work...there is no way I will keep my gun in my holster. Stopping for gas is the exception, I usually don't have time to take it off and tuck it back in before arriving.

A Deputy friend of mine while living at my apartment complex. Never wore his tops only a white shirt and green bottoms, no duty belt (Working Jails at that time). I can see why.

Tacit Blue
07-14-2011, 9:26 PM
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/05/12/private.jpg

http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/001.jpg

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?125756-National-Public-Safety



The Officers on O.com already got on their asses. I even heard the owner has been held at gun point, he was walking around in a black t shirt with his gun and acting like a detective. ( Like this picture below): http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/111.jpg


So someone in the complex who disliked the company, called into dispatch and SDPD showed up. :eek: They also copied the Dallas Forth Worth PD's patch.. Its like a sick hybrid of Border Patrol/FWPD Meets Security.

ironcross
07-14-2011, 9:30 PM
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/05/12/private.jpg

http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/001.jpg

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?125756-National-Public-Safety


The Officers on O.com already got on their asses. I even heard the owner has been held at gun point, he was walking around in a black t shirt with his gun and a gun like a detective. So someone in the complex who disliked the company called into dispatch, and SDPD showed up. :eek:

That's the pictures I was looking for but their site was down...:p

Nothing but posers. Sorry. As I'm not LE yet. But still. I rather have WIC then work for them. :D

Tacit Blue
07-14-2011, 9:35 PM
http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/015.jpg


http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/016.jpg


:rofl2:

fullrearview
07-15-2011, 12:51 AM
http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/015.jpg


http://www.nationalpublicsafety.com/photogallery/016.jpg


:rofl2:

We really need a smiley face indicating one trying to hold back the laughter... Or a face palm smiley.

PositiveInfluence
07-15-2011, 8:36 AM
Hmmm all green uniforms reminds me of a local company here full of wannabe's. I'm sure some Sac area LEO's know who I'm talking about. But the company i work for uses radio codes and drive p71's. And if you were to listen to us on the radio I'm sure we sound similar to some local LEA's.

Notorious
07-15-2011, 11:30 AM
They even got the fat guy on motors. Man, they really went all our on the disguises.