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badduggy
07-08-2011, 1:35 PM
i ask because of the cadiz aow shotpistol advertised in the commercial sales. i have never heard of such a trust. can i own suppressors, do i not have to go featurless on an my ARs or saigas? any clarification from those who know would be great.

Uriah02
07-08-2011, 1:47 PM
From what I have gathered of NFA trusts in CA it only makes AOW attainable. SBR, Supressors, Machine guns, and SBS are still banned.

gozuki
07-08-2011, 2:22 PM
From what I have gathered of NFA trusts in CA it only makes AOW attainable. SBR, Supressors, Machine guns, and SBS are still banned.

Correct in essence. There is a mythical "dangerous Weapons Permit" that the DOJ COULD issue to a commoner, but won't.

Connor P Price
07-08-2011, 2:47 PM
Correct in essence. There is a mythical "dangerous Weapons Permit" that the DOJ COULD issueto a commoner, but won't.

My pet unicorn has a DWP for his select fire mp5 chambered in 10mm mag.

RobG
07-08-2011, 2:51 PM
Check this out...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82693&highlight=want+to+own+a+sbr+in+ca

Quiet
07-08-2011, 5:54 PM
i ask because of the cadiz aow shotpistol advertised in the commercial sales. i have never heard of such a trust. can i own suppressors, do i not have to go featurless on an my ARs or saigas? any clarification from those who know would be great.

Technically, under Federal & CA state laws...
AOWs, DDs, MGs, SBRs and SBSs.
Noise Suppressors are the only Title 2 firearm that are prohibited fpr everyone in CA that is not a FFL/SOT or Gov/Mil/LE agency.

Realistically, due to CA DOJ BOF Dangerous Weapons Permit requirements...
AOWs, C&R SBRs and C&R SBSs.

CSACANNONEER
07-08-2011, 6:02 PM
From what I have gathered of NFA trusts in CA it only makes AOW attainable. SBR, Supressors, Machine guns, and SBS are still banned.

What about C&R SBSs and C&R SBRs?

AJAX22
07-08-2011, 6:22 PM
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/full-metal-jacket_stanley-kubrick_084-1.jpg

Any thing jou want ;)

EBR Works
07-08-2011, 6:32 PM
Yep as posted above, due to Cali restrictions, AOWs, C&R SBRs and C&R SBSs....

...BUT

If you have a multi-state trust, you can own almost anything as long as the item stays in a free State. Stuff like this, you just gotta pay the NFA tax:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS25AdulnWyyCXuuTM-wF9A-E7z_1WlEWjMlXtMlE7YSg3TkX_OTA

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiKxwqr-VMqNMipYyslV6PvdXFQKu__UqLGya2g3he8SsI-VHU

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKKh0oqiQYRD6_dbOOcaSyJId6lhx7A juMMAo96eN4_f4qXePlOA

http://www.artillery.net/new/images/membrantford1c.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3EZv-YsQ4SfMcQIBC34LAKEVkAfd8vKwZGn1xuQHlnvxmihzs
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Dreaded Claymore
07-08-2011, 9:17 PM
Talk to Oaklander about it. He's the guy who does this kind of thing.

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
07-08-2011, 9:27 PM
If you have a multi-state trust, you can own almost anything as long as the item stays in a free State.

Multi-state trust? I have never heard of a multi-state trust... Explain please!

Quiet
07-08-2011, 10:06 PM
Multi-state trust? I have never heard of a multi-state trust... Explain please!

The trust is set up in another state.
The Title 2 firearms transfered to the trust are stored/used in that state.

morrcarr67
07-09-2011, 4:54 AM
I understand what an AOW is but does anyone know if there is a list of weapons being made that are classified as AOW's?

SDS-Ruger
07-09-2011, 8:01 AM
is this trust different than a regular family trust? or can you modify the trust to allow gun?

gozuki
07-09-2011, 9:24 AM
AOW means Any Other Weapon, so there's no list. Common examples are smoothbore pistols, and pistols equipped with a VFG, but that is just a start. If its not a pistol, rifle, shotgun, SBS, SBR, mg, dd, zipgun or long gun, chances are its an AOW.

gozuki
07-09-2011, 9:26 AM
Your family trust will not work for NFA items.

ke6guj
07-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Your family trust will not work for NFA items.

in many cases it will. It may not be optimal, but if it is a valid trust, it will work. Yes, an NFA-specifc trust is recommended due to the NFA-specific "safeguards" that are added to the trust. And having a separate NFA trust away from your family trust could be a good idea to keep a separation between the two trusts.

6172crew
07-09-2011, 11:20 AM
The trust is used to by-pass LEO sign-off of your Form 1 or 4 among other things.

So when you purchase or make a title 2 item you need finger prints, LEO signoff or Trust, $200 and a FFL that will transfer the item. The only exception to the FFL is if you are a C&R FFL and the C&R item is transferred within the same state.

Form 1 is when you make the title 2 item yourself, these cant be used for making machine guns.

Im not an expert but I have 6 stamps and I did not use a Trust, but I wish I had. Id like to be able to add my sons to it that way they can shoot them without me having to be there when they get old enough.

EDIT: These were purchased in NV when I was living there and they are still in NV, hopefully one day the law will change and I will be able to bring them to this state.