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jdberger
07-06-2011, 10:09 AM
The Brady Campaign is firing Paul Helmke. It's a bit of a shame. The guy was such an incompetent wreck. I don't know if we can hope to get anyone as helpful to our cause to succeed him...though there's always hope.

Anyway, Ole Sad Panda (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke) has been doing lots of interviews lately, discussing his "accomplishments" (Heller, McDonald) and hopes for the future.

Here's one of them (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110703/LOCAL/307039928):

Is Giffords a new version of Brady?

“It’s way too early to tell in terms of her recovery,” Helmke said. “Right now, everyone is optimistic and positive, but it’s a tough recovery. Brain injuries are tough to recover from.

“My dream would be she recovers well enough to get back to the House, and maybe walking with friends on the side gets down to the well of the House, turns around and thanks everyone to applause and says, ‘Why haven’t you done anything about gun violence in this country?’ That alone would transform this debate.

“That’s painting a movie scenario, but I think that is something that could happen.”



Honestly - what the F is wrong with this guy?

Dancing in the blood of innocents. What a sick and twisted Machiavellian individual.

nick
07-06-2011, 10:16 AM
Well, what else do they have? Facts?

cdtx2001
07-06-2011, 10:21 AM
So long, farewell, don't let the door hit you in the arse!!!

The real problem is who are they gonna replace him with? Best case is they find another moron, worse case is someone with a brain.

paul0660
07-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Is Giffords a new version of Brady?

Absofrigginlutely.

I am waiting for the other side to realize that if Loughner's gun had been loaded with hollow points, she would have died as well. Every state could end up like New Jersey.

Briancnelson
07-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Funny, my dream is that she returns to Congress, turns around and says "Why aren't we making it easier for people to have guns so they can defend themselves against whackjobs like the guy who shot me?" to massive applause.

And then she flips off Paul Heimke.

Ok, it's a movie scenario, but it could happen....

Stonewalker
07-06-2011, 10:25 AM
What a bastard. I am so grateful that I joined the fight at this time and not in the early 90's. I was too young back then, but it must have been so hard to watch the rights of people in this country be zapped one after the other. I'm so glad I can contribute on the upswing, with the law on our side and most of the country as well.

Sutcliffe
07-06-2011, 10:37 AM
I bet, in his little dreamworld, that he made a difference. He did. He's responsible for disarming the victims of how many crimes? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? I shudder to think what kind of six figure job he will land with nothing more than name recognition.

wash
07-06-2011, 10:53 AM
To an anti-gun civil rights abuser, Jared Loughner is a hero, turning healthy people in to one of them. A little brain damage is a small price for them to pay.

Stonewalker
07-06-2011, 11:00 AM
To an anti-gun civil rights abuser, Jared Loughner is a hero, turning healthy people in to one of them. A little brain damage is a small price for them to pay.

Paul Helmke: "...The greater good..."

SoCal Bob
07-06-2011, 12:04 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Felipe Calderón may have the inside track for Helmke's old job. After all, when he blames the USA for all the gun issues in his country the media laps it up and our Congress applauds him, what more could the Brady Campaign want?

spgripside
07-06-2011, 12:19 PM
Honestly - what the F is wrong with this guy?

Dancing in the blood of innocents. What a sick and twisted Machiavellian individual.

So true. As happy as I am he's kicked out, I'm concerned his replacement might not be the incompetent, delusional, sad panda whack job we've come to know and hate.

radioman
07-06-2011, 12:59 PM
Would someone put my name in the hat, as I need a job and would do the best I could do with all the facts we have to work with.

Dhena81
07-06-2011, 1:48 PM
I really don't think anyone can do a better job with what they have to work with their whole agenda is based off of factually wrong illogical non sense I'm more worried about the U.N. Obama and Hilary. For example with their Brady YouTube account the ability of adding comments are removed probably because they want to shelter their own followers from their own inconsistencies.

CHS
07-06-2011, 1:54 PM
The Brady Campaign is firing Paul Helmke. It's a bit of a shame. The guy was such an incompetent wreck. I don't know if we can hope to get anyone as helpful to our cause to succeed him...though there's always hope.


Are you sure he's actually being fired?

The way I had read it, they initially hired him on a 4 or 5 year contract, and his contract is up. Now, whether or not he just wants to leave because his contract is up, or they're choosing not to renew the contract is something else but I haven't heard of anything either way.

Bruce
07-06-2011, 2:04 PM
So what he is saying is that to "believe" in gun control civil disarmament, a person has to have brain damage?

Bigtime1
07-06-2011, 2:11 PM
Got to keep a few key points in mind here:

1) Its not about guns.
2) Never let a good crisis got to waste.
3) The end justifies the means.

All three apply to the bRaDy bunch.

CHS
07-06-2011, 2:18 PM
1) Its not about guns.
2) Never let a good crisis got to waste.
3) The end justifies the means.

^^This. Times a million billion hojillion.

taperxz
07-06-2011, 2:44 PM
Who is Paul Helmke? Isn't he just some person in charge of.....????????? Nothing.

G60
07-06-2011, 3:29 PM
Dennis Henigan is to be the interim president.

hoffmang
07-06-2011, 4:16 PM
Are you sure he's actually being fired?

I'm suspicious that Brady can no longer afford him.

Pause to think about that.

They're going to downgrade!

-Gene

taperxz
07-06-2011, 4:26 PM
Cough Cough, There are some things money just can NOT buy.

Sutcliffe
07-06-2011, 4:38 PM
I'm suspicious that Brady can no longer afford him.

Pause to think about that.

They're going to downgrade!

-Gene

She would love a sweet gig like that.

Uriah02
07-06-2011, 4:41 PM
Dennis Henigan is to be the interim president.

He (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-a-henigan) Doesn't tow the line nearly enough to be made President for a long run. Seems too much like a run of the mile anti.

Curtis
07-06-2011, 7:42 PM
It really bothers me that they (or anyone for that matter) uses Giffords' situation as a marketing/PR/media ploy. If Giffords wants to join one side other the other, I will respect her (if she doesn't use false information).

After my accident, I was faced with MANY people asking, commenting, or opining about guns, my hobby, the status of my gun ownership, and/or the assumption I would give up guns.

oni.dori
07-07-2011, 12:37 AM
The Brady Campaign is firing Paul Helmke. It's a bit of a shame. The guy was such an incompetent wreck. I don't know if we can hope to get anyone as helpful to our cause to succeed him...though there's always hope.

Anyway, Ole Sad Panda (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke) has been doing lots of interviews lately, discussing his "accomplishments" (Heller, McDonald) and hopes for the future.

Here's one of them (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110703/LOCAL/307039928):



Honestly - what the F is wrong with this guy?

Dancing in the blood of innocents. What a sick and twisted Machiavellian individual.

That's just it, that IS all they have.

Absofrigginlutely.

I am waiting for the other side to realize that if Loughner's gun had been loaded with hollow points, she would have died as well. Every state could end up like New Jersey.

Oh ya great, just GIVE them their next target.

Got to keep a few key points in mind here:

1) Its not about guns.
2) Never let a good crisis got to waste.
3) The end justifies the means.

All three apply to the bRaDy bunch.

Few truer words have been stated here. It is not at all about guns, its about power and control. When they say they do it for "safety", the only thing that they are really concerned about maintaning is their stranglehold on power.

Mulay El Raisuli
07-07-2011, 5:09 AM
Funny, my dream is that she returns to Congress, turns around and says "Why aren't we making it easier for people to have guns so they can defend themselves against whackjobs like the guy who shot me?" to massive applause.

And then she flips off Paul Heimke.

Ok, it's a movie scenario, but it could happen....


Fingers crossed!


The Raisuli

SupportGeek
07-07-2011, 10:43 AM
Im inclined to agree with Hoffmang, they probably cannot afford him anymore.

Id rather hear about the Brady campaign going under than Helmke leaving, because ultimately, the thorn is still in our side.

trashman
07-07-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm suspicious that Brady can no longer afford him.

Pause to think about that.

They're going to downgrade!

My guess is that he didn't meet his fundraising metrics for the board - he's too soft-spoken and spends too much time trying to appear "reasonable" in person and in print.

Problem (for Brady) is that folks most likely to be grass-roots financial supporters of their organization are the "true believers" --- and so Helmke's lukewarm style didn't fire up any passionate believers with checkbooks.

So while they might "downgrade" to someone with less polish, it's entirely likely they'll pick someone who is obstinate, passionate, and loud (and can argue while appearing telegenic).

That would be, in small terms, a setback for us.

--Neill

taperxz
07-07-2011, 5:44 PM
My guess is that he didn't meet his fundraising metrics for the board - he's too soft-spoken and spends too much time trying to appear "reasonable" in person and in print.

Problem (for Brady) is that folks most likely to be grass-roots financial supporters of their organization are the "true believers" --- and so Helmke's lukewarm style didn't fire up any passionate believers with checkbooks.

So while they might "downgrade" to someone with less polish, it's entirely likely they'll pick someone who is obstinate, passionate, and loud (and can argue while appearing telegenic).

That would be, in small terms, a setback for us.

--Neill

I don't disagree with this at all, but my take on the Bradys is more like this:

How can a group really stay on track with the 2A when you have people out there that don't own guns but still approve of lets say, HUNTING. Perhaps there are others who don't own guns that understand that target shooting is a sport and to eliminate guns the way the Bradys want would ruin that for a relative who shoots.

The Bradys only target can be those people who don't own guns. You really can't target that group the way the Bradys do because its nonsensical to target a group of non gun owners whose views on guns vary. Their grass roots group (if you can even call them that) are only people who think all guns should vanish.

There are way to many people out there that don't own a gun but know someone who does and sees how responsible they are with their guns. Whether it be hunting, target shooting or just for SD. This is proof that the average law abiding citizen does not commit crimes with their legally owned guns. The Bradys just can't appeal to the average American citizen. IMHO

HowardW56
07-07-2011, 5:52 PM
....So while they might "downgrade" to someone with less polish, it's entirely likely they'll pick someone who is obstinate, passionate, FAT, and loud (and can argue while appearing telegenic).

That would be, in small terms, a setback for us.

--Neill


Michael Moore found a new job?

trashman
07-07-2011, 6:52 PM
How can a group really stay on track with the 2A when you have people out there that don't own guns but still approve of lets say, HUNTING.

[snip]

The Bradys only target can be those people who don't own guns. You really can't target that group the way the Bradys do because its nonsensical to target a group of non gun owners whose views on guns vary. Their grass roots group (if you can even call them that) are only people who think all guns should vanish.


Your sentiment is right, but it's worth noting that in previous decades the Bradys have been successful at peeling away "hunters" (actual gun-owning, hunters) from supporting "black rifles" - making defense of same appear in extremis.. From my vantage point it wasn't until after the Clinton AWB that the current core group of gun-rights folks coalesced into the organized powerhouse it is today.

The point is that there are schisms within our own group that are not apparent at the moment -- so remember what NRA Rep H Paul Payne has said about California's politics before the California AWB: that hunters and other nominally pro-gun folks would angrily assert to him that 'if you'd just give 'em the damn black rifles they'd leave us alone!".

And of course we know that is very much not the case!*...

--Neill

*and by the way, I LIKE MY @#$@#DAMN BLACK RIFLES!

trashman
07-07-2011, 6:54 PM
Michael Moore found a new job?

He's sort of the kind of guy I had in mind (minus the telegenic part).

He's a lot more persuasive to non-gun-owning folks than Paul Helmke (who appears to be what he is -- just a Washington insider with a cushy job)

--Neill

gunsandrockets
07-07-2011, 7:05 PM
I'm suspicious that Brady can no longer afford him.

Pause to think about that.

They're going to downgrade!

-Gene

You know I was thinking the same thing. But then I remembered... didn't the Joyce Foundation give a fresh infusion of cash to the Brady org just a few months ago?

If it weren't for the artificial life support provided by those damned big-money liberal foundations, I think the gun-control movement would have dried up and blown away years earlier.

hoffmang
07-07-2011, 9:36 PM
You know I was thinking the same thing. But then I remembered... didn't the Joyce Foundation give a fresh infusion of cash to the Brady org just a few months ago?

If it weren't for the artificial life support provided by those damned big-money liberal foundations, I think the gun-control movement would have dried up and blown away years earlier.

Founders don't like to be the only funds and they don't like their money only going to staff salary...

-Gene

InGrAM
07-07-2011, 11:05 PM
Funny, my dream is that she returns to Congress, turns around and says "Why aren't we making it easier for people to have guns so they can defend themselves against whackjobs like the guy who shot me?" to massive applause.

And then she flips off Paul Heimke.

Ok, it's a movie scenario, but it could happen....

HAHAAHAH omg, yes +1! to this. Never going to happen. But one can dream.

Anchors
07-08-2011, 3:23 AM
I love that his only concern in her recovery is hoping she will speak out in favor of gun control. He could not possibly care less about Giffords as a human being.

I want to say that is unlikely since she is actually a gun-owner and from one of the most gun friendly states in the country, but I'm sure getting shot in the head can illicit some very emotional feelings toward...well, everything, including firearms.

Full Clip
07-08-2011, 7:46 AM
So while they might "downgrade" to someone with less polish, it's entirely likely they'll pick someone who is obstinate, passionate, and loud (and can argue while appearing telegenic).

There are plenty of attention-desperate Lefty rabble rousers who would love to fit that bill.
Michael Moore? The millionaire Socialist "documentary" filmmaker? Nah, he likes to get paid (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-08/entertainment/28550570_1_weinsteins-fellowship-adventure-group-michael-moore) for his whining.

jdberger
07-08-2011, 10:32 AM
Looks like the new Chairman (to replace Sarah Brady?) is going to be William Harwood. (http://www.maineahead.com/william-harwood-elected-chair-of-brady-campaigncenter-to-end-gun-violence/)

http://www.verrilldana.com/files/Professional/a291b755-86c4-4992-b29e-ac24b5260bad/Presentation/Photo/Harwood_Bill_01.jpg

Harwood is a big-time Energy Practice lawyer with Verrill Dana (http://www.verrilldana.com/wharwood/) from Portland, Maine. Perhaps, since he makes his money representing the utilities against the regulators, he seeks to balance his karma with do-gooder pro-bono stuff. He's pretty experienced in the whole gun-control movement.

Public Service
Board of Trustees, The Jackson Laboratory, Bar Harbor, Maine (2002-present); Board of Trustees, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (2004-present), Board Chair (2011 - present); Adjunct Professor of Law, University of Maine School of Law (2000-2001; 2006-2007); Chair, American Bar Association's Special Committee on Gun Violence (2002-2004); President, Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence (1999-2003); Board of Trustees, Maine Bar Foundation (1986-1993), President (1991); Chair, Annual Edmund S. Muskie Access to Justice Award Dinner Committee (1996-1999); Legal Services for the Elderly: Board (1983-1988), Chair (1985-1987); Attorney General Appointee, Committee to Examine the Office of Administrative Hearings at the Maine Department of Human Services (1994-1995); Gubernatorial Appointee, Interim Advisory Committee on Alternative Dispute Resolution (1993-1995); Presentations at more than 25 utility conferences sponsored by NARUC, ABA, NECPUC, MSBA, NAWC, MWUA and MRWA; Board of Trustees, Yarmouth Historical Society


Fortunately, as we've seen with other high-caliber lawyers (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=337600), expertise in one field doesn't necessarily translate into expertise in gun law.

You know I was thinking the same thing. But then I remembered... didn't the Joyce Foundation give a fresh infusion of cash to the Brady org just a few months ago?

If it weren't for the artificial life support provided by those damned big-money liberal foundations, I think the gun-control movement would have dried up and blown away years earlier.

The Joyce Foundation doesn't fund the Brady Campaign. They get most of their money from the David Bohnett Foundation (http://www.bohnettfoundation.org/grants/index/11), The California Wellness Foundation and a few others. (http://brady-center-to-prevent-gun-violence.idilogic.aidpage.com/brady-center-to-prevent-gun-violence/index.b124.u139.htm)

mdimeo
07-08-2011, 10:57 AM
The Brady Campaign is firing Paul Helmke. It's a bit of a shame. The guy was such an incompetent wreck. I don't know if we can hope to get anyone as helpful to our cause to succeed him...though there's always hope.

Oh, I don't know if I'd call him incompetent. His job was selling poo to people with noses. It's not a great market to work with.

gadjeep
07-08-2011, 11:46 AM
I literally lol'ed when I read the resume of Harwood and read about his leadership of the maine citizens against gun violence. I lived in Maine for 21 years and it has historically had a murder total in the single digits forever! That would be like me saying I was the chairman of the council against snowball related violence of San Francisco county.

He seems like he has a related chilling effect on gun owners and the legislation in Maine ... sarcasmsmiley)

http://www.pressherald.com/news/LePage-signs-concealed-weapons-bills-.html

I'll send him flowers on his first day and hope he can have as much impact on the nation as he did in my home state to keep scary guns out of the hands of scary, law abiding, liberty loving citizens. ****ing flatlander.

hornswaggled
07-08-2011, 12:03 PM
Actually every victim of an assault should walk into the halls of Congress and ask, "Why was I not allowed the means to defend myself? Where was your police force when I was being attacked?" I think there would be a lot.

oni.dori
07-08-2011, 6:53 PM
The Joyce Foundation doesn't fund the Brady Campaign. They get most of their money from the David Bohnett Foundation (http://www.bohnettfoundation.org/grants/index/11), The California Wellness Foundation and a few others. (http://brady-center-to-prevent-gun-violence.idilogic.aidpage.com/brady-center-to-prevent-gun-violence/index.b124.u139.htm)

That could be why they are only "solidly" active in just a FEW states. Also, and company that has been around as long as they have, and claims to be "nation wide" in activity, that raked in less than $500k in a year would not very likely be in existance the next year. It's absolutely mind boggling they still are.

hoffmang
07-08-2011, 8:38 PM
We could pitch in and preemptively give him some shirts: http://lolmart.com/product/sad-panda/

-Gene