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eighteenninetytwo
06-30-2011, 3:09 PM
Would love to get an AK style rifle but I don't want the hassle of another caliber. Any recommendations in 223 / 5.56?

Bhobbs
06-30-2011, 3:11 PM
Saiga 5.56.

Abra Philippines
06-30-2011, 3:14 PM
Galil.

Ryan in SD
06-30-2011, 3:26 PM
I've seen non saigas in .223. Dont know much about it though, kinda rare.

venturasurf
06-30-2011, 3:26 PM
Would love to get an AK style rifle ... in 223 / 5.56

This is an abomination and will be looked upon sorely by the rifle gods. It's the equivalent of putting a wild tiger in captivity and feeding it Meow Mix.

CK_32
06-30-2011, 3:37 PM
Waste of a AK IMO. but check out a saiga.

Beatone
06-30-2011, 3:47 PM
AK SAR 3

Josh3239
06-30-2011, 4:23 PM
Saiga 5.56, WASR-3, Sar-3, or if you got deep pockets Arsenal's SAM-5. I think the Chinese made 5.56mm AKs but those are probably on the ban list.

Bug Splat
06-30-2011, 4:24 PM
Saiga with AR mag adapter

cmace22
06-30-2011, 6:11 PM
Build your own....

timdps
06-30-2011, 7:47 PM
;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Draco/crapouttamyAK.jpg

ankyle62
06-30-2011, 8:07 PM
I just picked up a Saiga in 223 today. Cant afford the M1A or it's ammo so Saiga it is.

axhoaxho
06-30-2011, 9:09 PM
I have a Saiga .223 (shoots 5.56 asd well) and I like it a lot. I paid about $400 new for mine just a few months ago. If we search a little, there are Saiga .223 OEM 10-rounds magazines available at some online stores as well (e.g. saigastock.com.)

Regards,

NYY
06-30-2011, 9:20 PM
This is an abomination and will be looked upon sorely by the rifle gods. It's the equivalent of putting a wild tiger in captivity and feeding it Meow Mix.

hahahhahaha

762.DEFENSE
06-30-2011, 9:41 PM
Get a Saiga or a Galili.

Kerplow
06-30-2011, 9:45 PM
This is an abomination and will be looked upon sorely by the rifle gods. It's the equivalent of putting a wild tiger in captivity and feeding it Meow Mix.

What? Tigers like chicken, liver and tuna. :shrug:

tujungatoes
06-30-2011, 9:55 PM
Don't let the 223 haters dissuade you. It's a fine round and fully capable of taking down any size squirrel in north america:p.

The most commonly available .223/5.56 ak pattern rifles are the saiga's, galil's, and the WASR-3.

The galil's have the same high quality craftsmanship you expect from century:rolleyes: but that doesn't mean you cant get a good one. Just make sure you get a test drive, or satisfaction guarantee before you buy. Don't know much about the wasr-3 so I won't comment.

I'm with Bug Splat. If you want an AK in .223/5.56 get a saiga and an AR mag adapter for it.

El Gato
06-30-2011, 9:58 PM
This is an abomination and will be looked upon sorely by the rifle gods. It's the equivalent of putting a wild tiger in captivity and feeding it Meow Mix.

or a wild tiger in Africa....

not that I watch Mony Python movies....:cool2:

for me... with two AK's... featureless....

the 5.45 is probably the bee's knees or whatever...
way like the 5.45 esp. the price of the ammo...

from Ammoman... and the price is SHIPPED!

5.45X39 FMJ 53 GRAIN - FULL METAL JACKET

1080 RDS. PER CAN - 2160 RDS. PER CASE

CAN OPENERS ARE INCLUDED WITH ANY FULL CASE

Part Number #545X39-FMJ-1080, -2160

$189- 1,080 rounds.
DELIVERED

$299- 2,160 rounds.
ONE FULL WOOD CRATE
DELIVERED

NYY
06-30-2011, 11:12 PM
or a wild tiger in Africa....

not that I watch Mony Python movies....:cool2:

for me... with two AK's... featureless....

the 5.45 is probably the bee's knees or whatever...
way like the 5.45 esp. the price of the ammo...

from Ammoman... and the price is SHIPPED!

5.45X39 FMJ 53 GRAIN - FULL METAL JACKET

1080 RDS. PER CAN - 2160 RDS. PER CASE

CAN OPENERS ARE INCLUDED WITH ANY FULL CASE

Part Number #545X39-FMJ-1080, -2160

$189- 1,080 rounds.
DELIVERED

$299- 2,160 rounds.
ONE FULL WOOD CRATE
DELIVERED

now that would be pretty bad azz having a wood crate of ammo delivered to your door haha :cool:

zfields
07-01-2011, 12:10 AM
;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Draco/crapouttamyAK.jpg

+1.

pyro3k2
07-01-2011, 12:19 AM
Get a Saiga or a Galili.

Saiga with AR mag adapter

Saiga 5.56, WASR-3, Sar-3, or if you got deep pockets Arsenal's SAM-5. I think the Chinese made 5.56mm AKs but those are probably on the ban list.

AK SAR 3

Galil.

Saiga 5.56.

Saiga in .223 will be easier to find, but if you are willing to put the time and effort in (not a whole lot btw) a Golani would be prefered. Simply put a Galil/Golani are the Kings of .223 AK patterns.


Also listen to these guys and disreguard the haters

venturasurf
07-01-2011, 7:41 AM
or a wild tiger in Africa....

not that I watch Mony Python movies....:cool2:

Yes, the genu felis horribilis :)



5.45X39 FMJ 53 GRAIN - FULL METAL JACKET

1080 RDS. PER CAN - 2160 RDS. PER CASE

$189- 1,080 rounds.
DELIVERED


Well, since we're looking for 50 grain small caliber munitions on the cheap he might as well go all the way:

http://www.weaponsandgear.com/pictures/_R/_Remington/REM1622C_1.jpg

:D

Wolf 7.62x39 runs about $220/1000 and you get 3x the amount of lead. ;)

WW2Buff
07-01-2011, 10:34 AM
+1 for Galil.

bbguns44
07-01-2011, 7:06 PM
Yugo M95 in folder or fixed stock. Gorgeous.

SJgunguy24
07-01-2011, 7:59 PM
Saiga with AR mag adapter

This is what my next build will be. The magwell is ordered, the gun is at the shop. For SHTF you can't get any better.

Don't let the 223 haters dissuade you. It's a fine round and fully capable of taking down any size squirrel in north america:p.

The most commonly available .223/5.56 ak pattern rifles are the saiga's, galil's, and the WASR-3.

The galil's have the same high quality craftsmanship you expect from century:rolleyes: but that doesn't mean you cant get a good one. Just make sure you get a test drive, or satisfaction guarantee before you buy. Don't know much about the wasr-3 so I won't comment.

I'm with Bug Splat. If you want an AK in .223/5.56 get a saiga and an AR mag adapter for it.

This is first hand knowledge, the century built galil's have...issues.

now that would be pretty bad azz having a wood crate of ammo delivered to your door haha :cool:

Been there done that, the best was 11K+ rounds of 7.62 in wooden crates I picked up from a place many moons ago.

SJgunguy24
07-01-2011, 8:01 PM
Yugo M95 in folder or fixed stock. Gorgeous.

$$$$$$:eek: but man are those nice.

ankyle62
07-01-2011, 8:25 PM
This is what my next build will be. The magwell is ordered, the gun is at the shop. For SHTF you can't get any better.


What is needed to convert the magwell? How involved is the install?

SJgunguy24
07-01-2011, 10:07 PM
What is needed to convert the magwell? How involved is the install?

I use a mill to hog out the trunnion. You can use a dremal just don't let the trunnion get too hot. The mag well gets opened up towards the front and the trunnion gets opened up also. Not too bad, I did one before and the mags drop free, GI's and P mags

Josh3239
07-01-2011, 10:21 PM
MSA is coming out with their B.A.S.T.A.R.D. magwell which will bolt right in, doesn't require milling the receiver or trunnion.

SJgunguy24
07-01-2011, 10:23 PM
MSA is coming out with their B.A.S.T.A.R.D. magwell which will bolt right in, doesn't require milling the receiver or trunnion.

223 ak mags suck so much I'd just weld the damn AR adapter in place if they made it from steel.

ZX-10R
07-02-2011, 6:06 PM
Galil.

ghost
07-02-2011, 6:52 PM
223 ak mags suck so much I'd just weld the damn AR adapter in place if they made it from steel.




my 30rd 5.56/.223 bulgarian ak mags work great,never had any problems with them.

bigbob76
07-02-2011, 7:31 PM
This is what my next build will be. The magwell is ordered, the gun is at the shop. For SHTF you can't get any better.

SJ why did you have to say that? I've been trying to sell my Saiga .223 now I will probably have to keep it and sell something else. Where did you order your magwell from? Does that eliminate the need for a bullet guide?

Josh3239
07-02-2011, 8:10 PM
Magnolia State Armory (http://magnoliastatearmory.com/products-page/magnoliastatearmory/b-a-s-t-a-r-d/) sells mag adapters.

ankyle62
07-02-2011, 8:56 PM
MSA is coming out with their B.A.S.T.A.R.D. magwell which will bolt right in, doesn't require milling the receiver or trunnion.

you got me excited, but those are only for converted Saigas. I have no desire to convert mine.

Ergo the Qualmed
07-02-2011, 9:02 PM
I handled a .223 Chinese AK at River City that seemed new. So, they *do* exist, I suppose.

beretta929mm
07-02-2011, 9:29 PM
.223 AK? Why...isn't like having a 9mm 1911? Again, why? No disrespect to owners of either.

Josh3239
07-02-2011, 9:30 PM
you got me excited, but those are only for converted Saigas. I have no desire to convert mine.

What do you mean? If you do need to modify the Saiga for it, of anything it would be a bullet guide.

Josh3239
07-02-2011, 9:33 PM
.223 AK? Why...isn't like having a 9mm 1911? Again, why? No disrespect to owners of either.

Because I like the .223 round and am invested in it. Not to mention I won't have any problems with outdoor ranges. And if you use a mag adapter you don't have to invest in another more expensive magazine. I have a 7.62 AK and don't particularly care for the round. I owned a 5.45 and am building another, don't care for the round either but Krink cool factor outweights the crappy 5.45 round.

I think the better question is why not a .223 AK?

By the way, I want a 9mm 1911. :D

Javi
07-02-2011, 9:37 PM
These are outdoor range safe, I believe:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/images/fiocchi762x39.jpg

tujungatoes
07-03-2011, 5:45 AM
By the way, I want a 9mm 1911. :D


Eff that. Go 38 super.:D

SJgunguy24
07-03-2011, 6:37 AM
you got me excited, but those are only for converted Saigas. I have no desire to convert mine.

No need to convert the Saiga. I'm doing mine by choice, I can't stand an AK with the trigger in the wrong place and the extra 4" of overall length.


What do you mean? If you do need to modify the Saiga for it, of anything it would be a bullet guide.

No bullet guide, the trunnion must be milled to allow the proper feed angle. If I can I'll make one from steel and weld the sumabich in place and just be done with it. AK reliability with mags that everybody has, what's not to love.

Latigo
07-03-2011, 6:56 AM
Sometime in the mid-80's when my Dad was actively dealing for Stoeger, he imported some 70 Valmet 71S' in .223. Along with that shipment came 45 AK's in .223. He can't remember the make but he suspects they were Norinco's. Once in a blue moon I do see them at gun shows. He says they were essentially identical to the early import Russian AKs and the odd thing is that it was the exact same diameter barrel. It looked like they used the same blanks and bored them to the smaller caliber. One other thing he said about those rifles is that they were incredibly tough and of the 4 or 5 he kept, they never once failed to feed or fire. If you could find one of those you'd probably be pretty satisfied.

Finding a Valmet 71S is probably near impossible. That's one rifle that the owners never seemed inclined to sell. The early 71s .223's had a wood stock and foregrip. Later imports had a wood buttstock and the standard black foregrip. Ours is super quick and super light. A real pleasure to handle.
I would definitely do a search for a 71s.

ankyle62
07-03-2011, 9:36 AM
No need to convert the Saiga. I'm doing mine by choice, I can't stand an AK with the trigger in the wrong place and the extra 4" of overall length.



http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/64596-msa-adaptor-or-bastard-for-ar-mags/

MSA is saying it wont work on an unconverted rifle.

I keep hearing the trigger sucks, but bullet buttons suck more.

eagleAR
07-03-2011, 11:29 AM
Galil golani!

bigbob76
07-03-2011, 12:29 PM
Eff that. Go 38 super.:D

But 9mm ammo is cheaper than 38 super everywhere I buy ammo. If I didn't care about the price of ammo I would only shoot my .45acp 1911s.

GunSafari
07-03-2011, 3:00 PM
an AK in .223 = Galil

Israeli ingenuity

bigbob76
07-03-2011, 3:06 PM
an AK in .223 = Galil

Israeli ingenuity

Did the Israelis ever get around to using it?

smle-man
07-03-2011, 5:05 PM
Sometime in the mid-80's when my Dad was actively dealing for Stoeger, he imported some 70 Valmet 71S' in .223. Along with that shipment came 45 AK's in .223. He can't remember the make but he suspects they were Norinco's. Once in a blue moon I do see them at gun shows. He says they were essentially identical to the early import Russian AKs and the odd thing is that it was the exact same diameter barrel. It looked like they used the same blanks and bored them to the smaller caliber. One other thing he said about those rifles is that they were incredibly tough and of the 4 or 5 he kept, they never once failed to feed or fire. If you could find one of those you'd probably be pretty satisfied.

Finding a Valmet 71S is probably near impossible. That's one rifle that the owners never seemed inclined to sell. The early 71s .223's had a wood stock and foregrip. Later imports had a wood buttstock and the standard black foregrip. Ours is super quick and super light. A real pleasure to handle.
I would definitely do a search for a 71s.

I had a Valmet 76 in ..223 with the wood buttstock. Essentially a Galil but interestingly Galil magazines would not feed in it.

SJgunguy24
07-03-2011, 6:34 PM
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/64596-msa-adaptor-or-bastard-for-ar-mags/

MSA is saying it wont work on an unconverted rifle.

I keep hearing the trigger sucks, but bullet buttons suck more.

Who says i'm using a mag lock with my conversion?

GunSafari
07-03-2011, 6:46 PM
the israelis used it extensively. it was used throughout the first war in lebanon.

Today you won't see them in the hands of current generation soldiers but many reservists carry them or have them in their homes, many private security or border patrol units have them and some special units use the micro galils as well as the 762x39 and 762x51.

A galil was used in the cave of the patriarchs massacre by an american turned israeli if im not mistaken

Inquirer
07-03-2011, 8:36 PM
SJ why did you have to say that? I've been trying to sell my Saiga .223 now I will probably have to keep it and sell something else. Where did you order your magwell from? Does that eliminate the need for a bullet guide?

How much you trying to get rid of it for? PM me with details if you get the chance.

ankyle62
07-03-2011, 9:48 PM
Who says i'm using a mag lock with my conversion?

Well converted equals pistol grip and moving the trigger forward doesnt it? Having the pistol grip and it being converted makes it necessary to have a 'tool' to detach the magazine correct?

Inquirer
07-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Well converted equals pistol grip and moving the trigger forward doesnt it? Having the pistol grip and it being converted makes it necessary to have a 'tool' to detach the magazine correct?

Grip wraps. (http://www.solartactical.com/AK47-STANDARD-KYDEX-SLIP-ON-GRIP-325.htm) They're used to render the Pistol Grip null and void after which you're free to drop your magazines as Eugene and Mikhail intended.

SJgunguy24
07-03-2011, 11:15 PM
Well converted equals pistol grip and moving the trigger forward doesnt it? Having the pistol grip and it being converted makes it necessary to have a 'tool' to detach the magazine correct?

Since you have your mind set on a "conversion" meaning a pistol grip. Let me show you what I do to comply and still have a badarse easy handling carbine.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/AIMR.jpg
On the right is Svetlana. A converted Saiga that I've been tinkering with for a couple of years.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/052-1.jpg

A close up of the brake and the front end work.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/012-9.jpg
Unconverted fire control group, look at all that crap in there. Failure points all over the place, add in the extra linkage and pins and there's plenty of room for improvement.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/014.jpg
Converted FCG, No BS, just business baby.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/010-6.jpg
The grip, easy to manipulate and I'm able to drop my mags all day.
My 223 will get the same treatment, except for the AR mags.

bigbob76
07-04-2011, 5:42 AM
Since you have your mind set on a "conversion" meaning a pistol grip. Let me show you what I do to comply and still have a badarse easy handling carbine.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/010-6.jpg

The grip, easy to manipulate and I'm able to drop my mags all day.
My 223 will get the same treatment, except for the AR mags.

Hey SJ I can't find my x ray glasses, what is under the hand in this pic?:43:

nic
07-04-2011, 5:50 AM
This is an abomination and will be looked upon sorely by the rifle gods. It's the equivalent of putting a wild tiger in captivity and feeding it Meow Mix.

OP, I'm sorry to derail the thread at all, and I don't know enough about AKs to be helpful, but I gotta say that this is probably one of the funniest responses I've EVER read.

Bryansix
07-04-2011, 8:46 AM
Just throwing it out there that the AK-74 is already in a caliber which is very similar to 5.56

+1 on the Galil. Does anybody own one and want to post pics?

SJgunguy24
07-04-2011, 12:42 PM
Hey SJ I can't find my x ray glasses, what is under the hand in this pic?:43:


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/AIMR.jpg

.

The rifle on the right Bob.

ih8ca
07-04-2011, 8:59 PM
A vepr if you can get one. I have a real IMI Galil and Valmet, I would take the Vepr hands down. They are the best AKs you can get.

bigbob76
07-04-2011, 9:36 PM
The rifle on the right Bob.

Is it your own design of something similar to the monsterman Mike?

Inquirer
07-04-2011, 11:23 PM
Bob, think it's an MMG just mashed onto the AK block.

SJgunguy24
07-04-2011, 11:58 PM
Bob, think it's an MMG just mashed onto the AK block.

This.
I have a couple of the AR-AK grip adapters. The grip angle really works with the AK, it'll be even better with the lighter weight 223.

ankyle62
07-05-2011, 7:32 AM
Is that the ultimak m1-b rail?

Inquirer
07-05-2011, 10:30 PM
Is that the ultimak m1-b rail?

UTG Rail.

venturasurf
07-06-2011, 7:35 AM
OP, I'm sorry to derail the thread at all, and I don't know enough about AKs to be helpful, but I gotta say that this is probably one of the funniest responses I've EVER read.

YOU think it's funny but I've spent the last several days meditating and praying for OP's soul and the souls of all those who have gone astray.

REPENT!