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D3lta58
06-29-2011, 7:52 PM
Title says it all. I was thinking about adding some optics to my full length M1A loaded model, and I was looking at an aimpoint. At the moment, I'm just a plinker, don't do competitions, don't hunt, and I don't pretend I'm an operator. Here's my question. If you saw me at the range with an aimpoint on my M1A, would you get so mad at my stupidity and give me the "WTF is wrong with you stare", or would you be like, "Your rifle, your rules".

Before you guys post "LEARN IRONS NOOB", I am proficient with irons on my M1A, I am consistently getting 1 1/2 MOA - 2MOA on a rest with no rear bag. Sometimes better than 1 1/2 MOA, but would not call it consistent. (Don't really like to shoot my M1A when it's drilled into the concrete.)

Would I be better off getting some decent glass or is the aimpoint a decent choice, or option C, I shoot irons and stop using the words "noob" and "WTF" and save up for a R700.

vantage
06-29-2011, 8:04 PM
I've got an Aimpoint on my M1A Scout and love it. I agree that the iron sights are excellent, but I like the ease of view the Aimpoint offers.

On a 22 inch I'd be tempted to put some good glass on and go a little further out. But if you're only plinking under 300 yards it doesn't sound like you need it.

... And I'm not going to make fun of anyone grouping 1.5-2 MOA with an M1A....

D3lta58
06-29-2011, 8:08 PM
I've got an Aimpoint on my M1A Scout and love it. I agree that the iron sights are excellent, but I like the ease of view the Aimpoint offers.

On a 22 inch I'd be tempted to put some good glass on and go a little further out. But if you're only plinking under 300 yards it doesn't sound like you need it.

... And I'm not going to make fun of anyone grouping 1.5-2 MOA with an M1A....

I guess I should have added, that while I mostly shoot for groups at 100yards -200 yards, I do venture out to 200- 600 yards for steel most of the time.

HK Dave
06-29-2011, 8:18 PM
Wow 1.5 moa at 100 yards with an M1A, you must be using match ammo? Didn't know stock M1A loaded could shoot that tight with standard ammo. What ammo do you shoot with?

Anyhow... there's nothing wrong with a red dot on your M1A... despite the 22" barrel. The Mall Ninja in us would say "NO WAY MAN, 16" SOCOM FOR THAT RED DOT!!!" But who cares?

Do whatever the heck you want. It doesn't look stupid to have a red dot on a 22" barreled M1A. Just like it doesn't look stupid to have a big scope on a 16" AR15.

D3lta58
06-29-2011, 8:21 PM
Wow 1.5 moa at 100 yards with an M1A, you must be using match ammo? Didn't know stock M1A loaded could shoot that tight with standard ammo. What ammo do you shoot with?

Anyhow... there's nothing wrong with a red dot on your M1A... despite the 22" barrel. The Mall Ninja in us would say "NO WAY MAN, 16" SOCOM FOR THAT RED DOT!!!" But who cares?

Do whatever the heck you want. It doesn't look stupid to have a red dot on a 22" barreled M1A. Just like it doesn't look stupid to have a big scope on a 16" AR15.

I reload, and it does look stupid to see a big scope on a 16in =( I see what you did there.

tomd1584
06-29-2011, 8:25 PM
I say get an H1 micro

7.62 Charlie
06-29-2011, 8:26 PM
Have you ever watched Blackhawk Down?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5758/m141vj6.jpg

D3lta58
06-29-2011, 8:44 PM
You guys are mean... Sadlock airborne mount w/ some leupold glass? YOU HAPPY?! crushing my dreams of being a secret mall ninja Delta sniper...

ElvenSoul
06-29-2011, 8:54 PM
I used to run a Aimpoint 2X...they stopped making and supporting them. :(

7.62 Charlie
06-29-2011, 8:56 PM
Do whatever you want with your rifle.
I just posted that picture so you could get an idea of what it would look like.

nagorb
06-29-2011, 9:30 PM
Who gives a **** what others think, do what makes you happy.

If it were me I would go with glass, either fixed 10x or lower variable.


p.s. we're all a little mall ninja at heart.

ankyle62
06-29-2011, 9:34 PM
Have you ever watched Blackhawk Down?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5758/m141vj6.jpg
do want, unfortunately the m1a's are out of my price range. Im going to settle with a Saiga with an Aimpoint. I loved my Aimpoint when I had it on my AR15

HK Dave
06-29-2011, 9:34 PM
Actually I don't think a scope on a 16" ar is bad. Why woould it be? Varmint rifles need large magnification and lots of them have 16" barrels.

cfusionpm
06-29-2011, 10:07 PM
On my Scout, I use some Tacpoint (Aimpoint lookalike) that I got for free with a used gun purchase that works well enough. I was originally going to purchase the Aimpoint Micro H1, but this works for range plinking. If it breaks, I'll probably pick up the Micro.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4478/tacticoold.jpg

H2O MAN
06-30-2011, 3:33 AM
Title says it all. I was thinking about adding some optics to my full length M1A loaded model, and I was looking at an aimpoint.

I like the Aimpoint sitting low on the UltiMAK M8. This combo gives lets
you co-witness your iron sights and you do not need to add a cheek riser.

17+1
06-30-2011, 6:56 AM
So you've mastered shooting basics on the bench...time to try some field positions.

Factory M14 sights are very good for a service rifle; with practice you should be able to hit at 600 yards and beyond with them.

I'd spend the cash on reloading components. Or start upgrading to USGI parts...SAI factory stuff is cheap.

Noobie
06-30-2011, 7:45 AM
Your money, your rifle, your choice.

giants_fan24
06-30-2011, 7:50 AM
I would go with glass myself, I have the same M1A but I haven't bought any glass for it yet, still shopping

CK_32
06-30-2011, 7:57 AM
Glass or irons only!!!

renardsubtil
06-30-2011, 9:08 AM
I use an Ultimak rail with an Aimpoint mounted on it...it's okay but the weight feels funny since I'm using a slightly longer M1A Standard model. I'm going to probably start looking this year for a scout scope with IER and use that instead.


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff127/subti7/m1a.jpg

Dhena81
06-30-2011, 9:53 AM
On my Scout, I use some Tacpoint (Aimpoint lookalike) that I got for free with a used gun purchase that works well enough. I was originally going to purchase the Aimpoint Micro H1, but this works for range plinking. If it breaks, I'll probably pick up the Micro.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4478/tacticoold.jpg

It looks like your turrets are canted by the picture.

mif_slim
06-30-2011, 10:45 AM
(SPeaking generally) Why would YOU ask for OTHERS to put something on YOUR gun??

:shrug:

762.DEFENSE
06-30-2011, 10:49 AM
Your money, your rifle, your choice.

:iagree:

762.DEFENSE
06-30-2011, 10:50 AM
For me personally, I'd just keep it original with the factory irons. :pinch:

H2O MAN
06-30-2011, 10:51 AM
So many choices ~ Glass, EOTech, Aimpoint or Irons

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/IMG_5287.jpg

CK_32
06-30-2011, 11:25 AM
Leave the aimpoints for us AR guys! :D

nagorb
06-30-2011, 7:56 PM
So many choices ~ Glass, EOTech, Aimpoint or Irons

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/IMG_5287.jpg


I was wondering when you would show up, how much do those weigh?

Dhena81
06-30-2011, 11:54 PM
I was wondering when you would show up, how much do those weigh?

And where's the range report lol.

H20 do you have like a RSS feed for M1A/M14 discussions.

jcaoloveshine
07-01-2011, 1:10 AM
stick with irons

the M1A has the best irons of any 308 rifle.

actually, i'll wager it has the best irons of any service/battle rifle period.

don't let that go to waste.

andrewj
07-01-2011, 12:30 PM
Have you ever watched Blackhawk Down?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5758/m141vj6.jpg

I went Black Hawk Down style for a bit... just for s***s and giggles

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/Y29udGVudDovL21lZGlhL2V4dGVybmFsL2ltYWdlcy9tZWRpYS 8xNTE-1.jpg

MasterYong
07-01-2011, 3:30 PM
Wow 1.5 moa at 100 yards with an M1A, you must be using match ammo? Didn't know stock M1A loaded could shoot that tight with standard ammo. What ammo do you shoot with?

Anyhow... there's nothing wrong with a red dot on your M1A... despite the 22" barrel. The Mall Ninja in us would say "NO WAY MAN, 16" SOCOM FOR THAT RED DOT!!!" But who cares?

Do whatever the heck you want. It doesn't look stupid to have a red dot on a 22" barreled M1A. Just like it doesn't look stupid to have a big scope on a 16" AR15.

I can consistently get 2MOA, maybe a little bigger with surplus ammo with a 2x leupold ("scout" model? don't remember the name), and 1MOA or less with match (168gr BHG, don't remember if it's a or v max, don't have it nearby), and I'm not a very good shot. I have been told by other shooters at the range that I let shoot the rifle that "I got lucky."

I really like irons, but since the OP is looking for optics I'd suggest either:

1. Variable-power glass, if he's using a typical over-the-action rail

or

2. Scout scope like the leupold I have, if he's got the forward-mounted rail on his rifle.

E__WOK
07-02-2011, 9:42 AM
If you choose the aimpoint, get the lowest mount possible due to the high cheek rise.

Legasat
07-02-2011, 9:59 AM
Gotta go with glass so you can reach out a little further and touch someone.

CrippledPidgeon
07-02-2011, 12:47 PM
If you choose the aimpoint, get the lowest mount possible due to the high cheek rise.

You can't beat the ultimak rail in terms of height, but my thought on forearm rails is that because they're connected to the barrel, you're transferring quite a lot of heat to your optic.

You can't beat the Sage stripper clip guide mount in terms of simplicity and weight, especially if you're mounting an Aimpoint H/T-1, or a Trijicon RMR, but I know that mine doesn't line up with the bore axis, so quite a lot of work went into shaving the dovetail and making a spacer to get it to zero properly.

I'm especially happy with the CASM rail that replaces the rear sight, but you do lose the ability to mount irons.

I'll post pictures of my two rifles later when I get home. I have one with a Sage SGM, and the other has the CASM.

MacOtac
07-02-2011, 12:54 PM
I have a SOCOM II and am looking to do a 1-4X Trijicon scope on it. Give you that close range ability but, at the same time allow you to adjust and reach out and touch someone.

AndrewNotary
07-02-2011, 3:53 PM
I went with glass after researching options. Don't rush into anything. With a Springfield side mount and a scope you can still use irons too. Hope it helps.

RRangel
07-02-2011, 6:52 PM
The shooter should be informed beforehand that with a scoped M1A combination some sort of cheek riser is necessary for proper cheek weld. The design of this rifle is not optimal for optics. If I were the one asking the question I'd try and borrow someone's rifle with this particular set up for a test shoot if possible. It's an expensive mistake to buy stuff and then decide you don't like it.

cfusionpm
07-02-2011, 10:04 PM
It looks like your turrets are canted by the picture.

The caps freely rotate and will hit the on/off switch on top if fully verticle. Otherwise, the optic looks pretty straight on. It was a cheap freebie that was given to me when I purchased another gun, so I never had high expectations for it anyway. Though it seems to do its job well enough!

frankm
07-02-2011, 10:08 PM
If you saw me at the range with an aimpoint on my M1A, would you get so mad at my stupidity and give me the "WTF is wrong with you stare".


Oh u can bet on it! If you don't want irons, get a scope.

H2O MAN
07-03-2011, 5:43 AM
If you saw me at the range with an aimpoint on my M1A, would you say "Your rifle, your rules"?

Yo bet, and you really shouldn't give a crap about what others say when it comes to setting up your rifle the way you want it.

-hanko
07-03-2011, 8:54 AM
(SPeaking generally) Why would YOU ask for OTHERS to put something on YOUR gun??

:shrug:
I'd ask the same question...

I'd recommend learning position shooting before adding glass...but that's my opinion and it's your gun.

-hanko