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EvolutionGSR
06-29-2011, 12:06 PM
Im itching to build something in 5.56 to hit the 500 or 600 yard plates at ASR. I like the recce and spr concept styles, but I dont want to make both as i feel that they are close enough to do the same job. I want to top it with a lower powered compact scope like this: http://swfa.com:80/Leupold-125-4x20-VX-R-Patrol-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P49444.aspx.

My definition of the recce would be 16 in middy chrome lined barrel with full length railed 12 in handguard. Spr would be 18 in. Stainless barrel rifle gas with full length, not neccesarily full railed like trx handguard.
So what would you build and why?

jumbopanda
06-29-2011, 12:09 PM
Get a 16" stainless/match grade barrel. Chrome lined ones generally offer inferior accuracy. Velocity wise, 16" vs. 18" does not change much.

EvolutionGSR
06-29-2011, 12:20 PM
So ... I should build a reccspr. Thats another idea.

jumbopanda
06-29-2011, 12:27 PM
I recently got a 16" upper from superiorbarrels.com. They offer a Douglas (chrome moly) barrel with a proprietary coating that they dubbed "Hard Blue". I'm guessing that it's some variation of a nitrocarburizing treatment, but I'm not sure. It's supposed to greatly extend the life of a barrel and improve corrosion resistance (like chrome lining) without sacrificing accuracy. The test targets showed 10 round groups just under 1 MOA at 100yd, and they also included a golf ball that they shot at 300yd. Unfortunately, I have not gotten to shoot it much yet because I had to send the handguard (Troy TRX Extreme 13") back to the manufacturer to figure out if it was defective.

Droppin Deuces
06-29-2011, 1:29 PM
I have more or less what you're talking about(16"/1:8/Wylde) except with a 3-9x40 scope instead of the 1-4x. I used to have a 1-4x and wasn't satisfied with it for the type of shooting I do, which is..well...shooting 500-600 yard steel.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/doghair/IMG_2875.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/doghair/IMG_2835.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/doghair/IMG_2820.jpg

EvolutionGSR
06-29-2011, 6:23 PM
That looks nice. Hmmm gives me some ideas. I'm also thinking of putting on a 1 o'clock micro reflex sight.

louscamaro91
06-29-2011, 6:26 PM
What does Recce mean?

EvolutionGSR
06-29-2011, 6:43 PM
What does Recce mean?

Not exactly sure, seems pretty open to interpretation. I go by anything set up similarly to what Bravo Company and Noveske label as their Recce builds. The only common themes they have are 16" chrome lined barrels with handguard rails.

Droppin Deuces
06-29-2011, 6:56 PM
That looks nice. Hmmm gives me some ideas. I'm also thinking of putting on a 1 o'clock micro reflex sight.

That was something that I had originally planned to do, but I couldn't justify it. This is really just a bench gun for me(and a very good one). That VFG hardly ever gets touched. I might change the stock eventually for something a little onger, but I really like the M4 stocks - especially the LMT version that I have on there. They are rock solid.

Scott Connors
06-29-2011, 7:00 PM
What does Recce mean?

"Recce" is the British equivalent of "recon," as in "Take two men and recce the bridge."

FMJBT
06-29-2011, 8:03 PM
I ended up building one of each. They're set up slightly different, but in terms of performance they are almost identical. The "SPR" was built up using a DPMS 18" Mark 12 barrel, which considering the price is an outstanding barrel. Accuracy at 100 yards with Black Hills 75 grain loads is right at 3/4 to 1" and the overall weight is just under 11 pounds with an empty mag.

The "RECCE" is built around a Sabre Defense 16" fluted stainless barrel with mid length gas system. Accuracy is pretty much identical the the DPMS Mark 12 barrel. Overall weight is also just under 11 pounds. I owe this mostly to the Troy 13.8" MRF railed forend. If I were going to do it over, I'd opt for a Midwest SS forend, either 12" or 15" length for a substantial weight savings over the Troy.

In the long range department, both rifles will easily hit a 11" X 18" steel plate at 650 yards out. Once you get the wind figured out, it's actually kind of boring after a while.

I would say build whichever one you want, but I would suggest going with a stainless barrel over a chrome lined if you are wanting to maximize accuracy.

16" "RECCE"
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2576/5851854826_26884ec181_z.jpg

18" "SPR"
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4924200625_b81d08ef0f_z.jpg

OutlawDon
06-29-2011, 8:04 PM
I've done them all....go with the 16". Compact yet just as fun and deadly. But you can't go wrong either way. Purely preference.

As mentioned, go with a STAINLESS barrel either choice...realize the barrel is the heart of the rifle, and is what makes a Reece or SPR what it is...an accurized AR15. Choosing a chrome lined barrel will not be true to the origins of them.

16" flavors...
http://healthbydon.com/ar15hrd.jpg

http://healthbydon.com/ar15recon.jpg

http://healthbydon.com/ar15ctr.jpg

18" SPR...
http://healthbydon.com/ar15sopmodhdr.jpg

EvolutionGSR
06-29-2011, 9:21 PM
I've done them all....go with the 16". Compact yet just as fun and deadly. But you can't go wrong either way. Purely preference.

http://healthbydon.com/ar15recon.jpg





16" "RECCE"
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2576/5851854826_26884ec181_z.jpg

18" "SPR"
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4924200625_b81d08ef0f_z.jpg

Can you guys tell me what kind of scopes you have on these rifles? I'm going for these shorter compact scopes.

OutlawDon
06-29-2011, 9:55 PM
Mine is a Burris TAC30 1-4x.

Google it...highly rated for its price.

arsilva32
06-29-2011, 9:55 PM
Recce = re·con·noi·ter ( reconnoiter )

FMJBT
06-29-2011, 10:23 PM
Can you guys tell me what kind of scopes you have on these rifles? I'm going for these shorter compact scopes.


The 16" is using a Vector Optics 1-6X28 FFP scope. The jury is still out on this one. It has some features that I really like (1-6X), but has some flaws that are hard to get over (reticle sized incorrectly for ranging and holdovers).

The 18" has a Leatherwood CMR 1-4X mounted via an ADM Recon mount. For the money, I think this is one of the best 1-4X scopes on the market. Very clear glass, and a nice BDC reticle.

One thing I've noticed about low power variable optics though, is that on the 1X setting, none that I have tried are as easy or fast to use as a dedicated red dot sight. The eye seems to take longer to focus through a scope than a red dot, at least for me. The dual optic setup definitely has some advantages. My next build will probably use a 2.5-10X scope or similar coupled with a mini red dot sight mounted either above it or canted to the side.

Heiko
06-29-2011, 10:35 PM
To me, it depends on what else you've got in the safe, especially in the AR department. I already have 16" M4 style ARs and while not done as RECCE style, they sort of fit the more compact AR role. That is why I decided to build a SPR with its 18" barrel. I just wanted something different and accurate beyond typical ARs.
LaRue Stealth complete upper (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=100) with Leupold Mark 4 3-9x36 MR scope. 18" barrel with 13.2" rail.


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/PNG_x5world/LaRue%20SPR/SPR-10.jpg

Omega13device
06-29-2011, 11:24 PM
What does Recce mean?

This is the by far the best explanation of Recce that I've seen: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=recce

Doctawho
06-29-2011, 11:33 PM
What does Recce mean?

I believe Reece is a 16" mid-length barrel.

RONIN.
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
recce would be referring to the SEAL RECON RIFLE which is a 16" heavy barreled carbine, normally topped with a scope anywhere from fixed 4x acog, al the way to a 2.5-10 nightforce, depending on the operators preference..

as for OPs question, i would go for a SPR build personally, with a nice heavy 1/7 or 1/8 twist stainless barrel.. and send 77grain projectiles down range.. and i do think that you will want more magnification then 4x....

i run a 2.5-10 nightforce on my 18" spr

Dhena81
06-30-2011, 12:33 AM
^+1

Optics choice is what makes a rifle a DMR.

I've heard that the Recce comes with a CL barrel and a SPR wears a SS barrel I don't know if that's true. But I really don't care nor should you unless your trying to replicate a military arm. But military or not since this is a personal rifle and the last time I checked this is a free country so do what you want and if you want accuracy go SS.

I think the Recce is the best overall choice you don't get much more range with an extra 2" of barrel. Ammo choice will make the most difference if you want really long range you need to go with a boat tail bullet so you can more reliably hit target beyond the bullets transonic range. What transonic means in this case and in the most basic form I can think of is when the bullet is transitioning from the speed of sound to not. For example like a M855 bullet might not be accurate at that range because there are parts of the bullet that air is moving at the speed of sound and parts that are not making it unstable.

keson
06-30-2011, 1:45 AM
I've had both but I ended up keeping my SPR's.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/endlessrainx/3.jpg

EvolutionGSR
06-30-2011, 6:33 AM
Looks like most peiple are recommending I go with more than 4x. But i really want the scope to be a bit compact like those i inquired about above, esp that vector 1-6x. Is there a 9x around that size? Also, i dont have a problem hitting 3-400 yard plates with a non magnified compm4 out of a 14.5 in barrel on a bipod., which is why i dont think i needed more than 4x.

I also want to point out that im not planning on spending the $ on a NF scope. The most expensive glass i will go with would be the leupy i linked earlier in the thread.

Droppin Deuces
06-30-2011, 10:45 AM
Looks like most peiple are recommending I go with more than 4x. But i really want the scope to be a bit compact like those i inquired about above, esp that vector 1-6x. Is there a 9x around that size? Also, i dont have a problem hitting 3-400 yard plates with a non magnified compm4 out of a 14.5 in barrel on a bipod., which is why i dont think i needed more than 4x.

I also want to point out that im not planning on spending the $ on a NF scope. The most expensive glass i will go with would be the leupy i linked earlier in the thread.

I have always said that the 1-4x optic is the best all around scope for an AR, but if you plan to mount a mini/micro red dot of some sort along side your scope - and especially on a gun like these - I would suggest at least going with a 3-9x. That way you aren't being redundant with two 1x optics and instead have two optics that compliment and extend eachother's capabilities. The VX-R's are very nice, but if I were getting one for an SPR or RECCE rifle, I'd go with the 3-9x version. Maybe get out and try the type of shooting you're going to do with the types of scopes you're considering first.

Also, at 9x-10x you have the advantage of being able to make finer holdover adjustments and seeing your hits at that 500-600 yard target range instead of maybe just hearing them.

762.DEFENSE
06-30-2011, 10:52 AM
You could easily go with a "RECCE" build, over a SPR for your specifications and demands.

Calgunner217
06-30-2011, 11:27 AM
Here's my latest bulid, a Recon, Recce rifle. I used a Wilson Match Grade Barrel, 5.56 NATO, 16", 1-7 Twist, Stainless Barrel. I paired it up with an Acog. I think the limit for the Acog would be around the 600 meters, being only a 4x fixed scope. I have not had the chance to shoot it yet. My next build will be a 18" SPR type build paired with a Leupold 2.5-8x-36 MR/T.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/qnguyen714/IMAG0227-1.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/qnguyen714/IMAG0228.jpg

EvolutionGSR
06-30-2011, 11:51 AM
This is still a tough call. Im leaning toward a recce with no micro, still using a 4x.

How hard is it to assemble your own upper group?

FMJBT
06-30-2011, 8:23 PM
This is still a tough call. Im leaning toward a recce with no micro, still using a 4x.

How hard is it to assemble your own upper group?

It's hard to go wrong either way. Both are great designs for an all around rifle that will do literally everything. The only bad part about that though, is that afterwards it's really hard to justify building another AR-15 for CQB, Long Range, Home Defense, etc. because the RECCE or SPR will do all those functions reasonably well. Really the only direction to go after building one of these is either pistol, or 24" bull barrel :D

Uppers are easy to put together. If you can change a car tire, you can put together an upper. Just make sure to get the right tools for the job :)