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Ranger bj
06-28-2011, 9:03 AM
Do any of you have advise on the best scope to purchase for shooting 400yards to 3,000 yards that is also between $250.00 to $400.00? Or am I dreaming??

Are used scopes worth the risk to purchase?

Thanks

qaz5109
06-28-2011, 9:07 AM
i think 3000 yard shot is a dream haha but as far as scopes go you can find some very good deals on burris scopes they are a good middle base i have 2 now and both are very clear hold zero and werenot bad as far as price

-hanko
06-28-2011, 9:08 AM
Do any of you have advise on the best scope to purchase for shooting 400yards to 3,000 yards that is also between $250.00 to $400.00? Or am I dreaming??

Are used scopes worth the risk to purchase?

Thanks
I'm not sure a $400 scope can get you out to 3k yds. and let you see clearly.:rolleyes:

Dreaming? Yes:sleeping:

The risk of a used scope purchase depends upon the scope, the price for the scope, and the reputation of the seller. Impossible to answer with out a few details. :confused:

swfa.com might be a starting point.

OT, but what do you have that can reliably get hits at 3k yds??

OT #2, maybe you want to put this in the optics section.

-hanko

osis32
06-28-2011, 9:18 AM
I'd say the nikon monarch mil dot. I forget which one I think it's 42 mm obj. 4-16 mag.

OutlawDon
06-28-2011, 9:18 AM
3000 yards? 1.7 miles?

Uh yeah, dreaming.

mlevans66
06-28-2011, 9:25 AM
Do any of you have advise on the best scope to purchase for shooting 400yards to 3,000 yards that is also between $250.00 to $400.00? Or am I dreaming??

Are used scopes worth the risk to purchase?

Thanks

Here you go, man. Go here and this should help answer your questions.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=90

Bogart
06-28-2011, 9:27 AM
Here is a list of things you will want in a long range scope:
1. 30MM (instead of 1") tube so you have lots of adjustment room for windage and elevation
2. Something that goes up to a high magnification so you can see what you're shooting at
3. A large objective lens so you can gather enough light at those higher magnifications
4. Easy to adjust turrets for elevation and windage (since you will be changing them a lot if you are shooting between 400 and 3000 yards.)

That being said, the longest sniper shot in the world was about 2700 yards. Which took place in high elevation with some thin air to shoot through. I can't reccomend a scope for that distance, but good luck to you. As far as reccomended gun and caliber, might I suggest a 16" naval gun.

Ranger bj
06-28-2011, 9:37 AM
All-

Thanks for the replies.

Sorry about the 3,000 yards, I want to out to 1,000 yards or about 1/2 mile.

Good info on tube dia.

What do you think distance wise, a .308 is good for using Savage 10FCP-k?

Thanks Again

WDE91
06-28-2011, 9:39 AM
Im thinking someone needs to do more learning before dropping cash

Sicarius
06-28-2011, 9:41 AM
SWFA is coveted as the best bang for the buck or value and typically compete with scopes 2x their price. They just had a group buy on a 5-20x50 but that was over twice your budget after the 500 dollars off... for 400 bucks, I think you are asking a bit much. For a lesser scope that seems to be alright, look into the Falcon optics. They are made in china but those are probably around your budget. Couple of my friends use a Falcon Meanace for their 1k yard shots.
Kevin

21SF
06-28-2011, 9:44 AM
Pretty much a dream...

I know ill be the minority with this recommendation but i recommend the Ziess Conquest line of scopes.

I honestly think they are far better glass than anything else for the money.

chicoredneck
06-28-2011, 10:16 AM
I do a lot of distance shooting and can rate the following scopes as:

Poor: Barska, BSA, Tasko, NCStar, Alpine

Middle oF the pack: Cheaper Bushnell's, Cheaper Leupolds, Burris, Cheaper Nikon's, Sitron

Upper Middle Road: Leupold, Bushnell Elite, high end Burris, Nikon

Top Teir: Swarovski, Zeiss, Night force, USO, Schmidt and Bender

For value vs dollar for long range shooting I would say: the Bushnell Elite, Leupold VX3, and Nikon Monarch. The Nightforces are probbably the best value for the money of the highest end scopes.

Low-Pressure
06-28-2011, 10:29 AM
Sightron SII Rifle Scope 6-24x 42mm Adjustable Objective Mil-Dot Reticle Matte

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=696191

BamBam-31
06-28-2011, 10:33 AM
I just tried 1k yds. for the first time this weekend. Used my RD Precision Rem 700 topped off with a Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50mm. Scope was plenty clear and bright for 1k yds. Coupled with a 20 MOA mount, I still had 11 minutes of up elevation left, too. As I have the SWFA SS 5-20x coming in, however, the Bushnell will now be listed for sale here in the classifieds ($500).

Divernhunter
06-28-2011, 10:38 AM
Just by the question I see someone needs more education on shooting.

Used leupold scopes are always a good bet. They will fix/replace them if bad to anyone. But I have never seen a bad one yet.

For long range shooting a high quality(and high dollar) scope is a must. Consider a Nightforce or Leupold MK IV. The difference between my Nightforce NXS scopes and any other scope(including the lesser than MK IV Leupolds) that I have seen is the difference between night and day.

Sniper3142
06-28-2011, 11:03 AM
Just by the question I see someone needs more education on shooting.


+1

Do a LOT more actual shooting practice and you'll be better prepared to answer your own question.

Bogart
06-28-2011, 12:12 PM
For your choice of cartridge, check this out. http://ballisticscalculator.winchester.com/

.300 win mag
.308 (cheapest ammo choice for long range)
.338 lapua
.510 dtc

SASchnell
06-28-2011, 12:23 PM
Vortex Viper <$500

McCrown
06-28-2011, 12:49 PM
In that price range I'd look at the Vortex Viper.

RugerNo1
06-28-2011, 1:13 PM
Vortex Viper PST, Bushnell Elite 4200 (FFP Model), Nightforce, March etc.

All a good choices, but from what it sounds like you need to get behind some rifles and scopes first. At the distances you are talking about, a low budget should not be part of your thought processes.

r3dn3ck
06-28-2011, 1:20 PM
I do a lot of distance shooting and can rate the following scopes as:

Poor: Barska, BSA, Tasko, NCStar, Alpine

Middle oF the pack: Cheaper Bushnell's, Cheaper Leupolds, Burris, Cheaper Nikon's, Sightron

Upper Middle Road: Leupold, Bushnell Elite, high end Burris, Nikon

Top Teir: Swarovski, Zeiss, Night force, USO, Schmidt and Bender

For value vs dollar for long range shooting I would say: the Bushnell Elite, Leupold VX3, and Nikon Monarch. The Nightforces are probbably the best value for the money of the highest end scopes.

+1. With the exception that I class a MkIV Leupold as a Top Tier scope. Most of their others I put in upper-middle.

I personally just got a scope to do mostly the same thing. I got a Bushnell Elite Tactical 10x mil-dot. It won't quite do to 1000yrds in the current configuration without an additional 30MOA (I have a special mount for that that I only use for 700+ playing). You'll need to make sure your scope has enough up in the turret to match round you'll be using minus any cant in the scope bases and or rings.

21SF
06-28-2011, 1:56 PM
+1. With the exception that I class a MkIV Leupold as a Top Tier scope. Most of their others I put in upper-middle.

I personally just got a scope to do mostly the same thing. I got a Bushnell Elite Tactical 10x mil-dot. It won't quite do to 1000yrds in the current configuration without an additional 30MOA (I have a special mount for that that I only use for 700+ playing). You'll need to make sure your scope has enough up in the turret to match round you'll be using minus any cant in the scope bases and or rings.

I know someone with a Mark 4 LMR/T and the retical is thicker and the glass worse than my Ziess 3-9x40 that was 400 bucks!!!!

I guess optical clearity is in the eye of the beholder.

RugerNo1
06-28-2011, 2:58 PM
Current Leupol Mark IV's have much to be desired in a nice target scope. Most of them, aside from the M5 knobs, do not have knob adjustments that match the reticle (MOA knobs and Mil-based reticle), decent glass, but nowhere near the level of Zeiss, S&B, March, or even Nightforce.

It is $1479.99 for a 6.5-20x50mm Leupold and $1681.99 for a 5.5-22x50mm Nighforce (prices from Midwayusa). For a extra $200 you get Matching Knobs and reticle, Better Glass (subjective yes, but many tend to agree), zero stop on the elevation (not needed, but very nice), and renowned Nightforce durability and tracking. The latter two have been problematic for Leupold in recent years.

Do you know why you rarely hear about Nightforce customer service? Because I have yet to meet someone, personally or someone online with an once of credibility, who has had to use it.

HK Dave
06-28-2011, 3:18 PM
3000 yards?! :smilielol5:

Longest recorded sniper kill is at 2700 yards on a Accuracy International 338 Lapua platform. I'm guessing 408 cheytac might get you out a bit farther...

HK Dave
06-28-2011, 3:20 PM
Oh 1000 yards!

There's a ton of scopes at the $400 range. Check out the Vortex Viper non FFP line... or maybe find something used?

seronian
06-28-2011, 4:37 PM
SS 20x42 for 299

reg290
06-28-2011, 5:17 PM
I'd look into a Millet TRS-1 which is a 4x16x50 scope. I have one on a R700 Sps-tac and effin love it. Best bang for the buck. Imho.

Did I mention there about $300 new?......

flyfishr
06-28-2011, 5:34 PM
At Midway usa, Seems to be a nice scope..though havn't had a chance to take it out and use it yet. If the link doesn't work search for product # 456482


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=456482

Ranger bj
06-28-2011, 5:41 PM
I appreciate all the information.

Now what's the best choice and how much would you pay them?

Tikka Tactical in .308 with a Millett LRS or a Savage 10FCP-k in .308 with Millett LRS.

Thanks

RugerNo1
06-28-2011, 5:44 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=449298&highlight=tikka

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=446818&highlight=tikka

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=445075&highlight=tikka

Ask these guys how they like their .308 Tikka's.

ssaction
06-28-2011, 6:00 PM
Sightron SII Rifle Scope 6-24x 42mm Adjustable Objective Mil-Dot Reticle Matte

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=696191

I have the 6-20x version of that scope. Great scope.

diego-ted
06-28-2011, 6:14 PM
I'd look into a Millet TRS-1 which is a 4x16x50 scope. I have one a R700 Sps-tac and effin love it. Best bang for the back. Imho.

Did I mention there about $300 new?......

I have the LRS 1 about your price range "if you look" I had it up against the best of Nikon and a S&B this weekend, and for my crappy eyes, I could not see an appreciable diffrence. Now others will say it's not in the same class, but $ 4 $, I can't complain.!! JMHO

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/diego-ted/Tikka/DSC01051-1.jpg

Tikka of course!!

Diego

CrossedRifles
06-28-2011, 6:34 PM
+1 On the Vortex Vipers.

They're the best quality for the price range IMO.

Dhena81
06-28-2011, 6:48 PM
I have expensive taste I'd start with Nightforce and move on up to Premier/Schmidt and Bender I hope NF offers a 1.1-8x next year for a MWS I don't have.

If were talking about 1K yard or meter shooting.

xibunkrlilkidsx
06-28-2011, 8:27 PM
nikon buckmaster

send it_hit
06-28-2011, 10:07 PM
tikka tac > savage 10.

not by much though, and i know people with opinions i highly respect that would say its the other way around. shoot both, is my recommendation, if you can find someone with either.

kozumasbullitt
06-28-2011, 10:35 PM
I have expensive taste I'd start with Nightforce and move on up to Premier/Schmidt and Bender I hope NF offers a 1.1-8x next year for a MWS I don't have.

If were talking about 1K yard or meter shooting.

I pray that NF comes out with a 1.1-8!

Z.1
06-29-2011, 10:25 AM
another +1 for Vortex Viper

RugerNo1
06-29-2011, 10:36 AM
I hope NF offers a 1.1-8x next year for a MWS I don't have

I pray that NF comes out with a 1.1-8!

I find that highly doubtful, but anything can happen. I have heard that Nightforce is gearing up for some new high magnification FFP scopes, but not low mag like you are talking about.

Both of you seem to have expensive tastes, I can relate, so check out the March 1-10x24 Tactical (http://www.deon.co.jp/march/1x-10x24_tactical.htm) available through Kelbly's.

P.S.
Is anybody else having a sense of deja vu (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=305753)with this thread?