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Agent Akin
06-28-2011, 5:16 AM
Greetings all!

So, I recently realized that while I've a whole helluva lot of rifle ammo and a decent pile for my sidearms, I'm woefully understocked when it comes to fodder for my various 12g shotguns.

I almost bought a couple of cases of that olive drab Winchester military buckshot, but when I looked for reviews, they varied wildly, from "God's gift to shotgunners" to "pure crap that should be given free to one's enemies".

Sooo... what are peoples thought's on good buckshot loads? Not the tactical, reduced recoil loads, either... until I do something about my Benelli situation, I want to stay with full-powered loads.

Thanks!

plumbum
06-28-2011, 6:28 AM
15 round Winchester value packs of 2 3/4", '00' buck at Wal-Mart for $10 - hard to beat. I have the 'Mil-Spec' green hulled ones too, looks exactly the same save for the color. I wish there was a cheap source for #4 buck or #1 buck, but I'm not into ordering online yet.

xxINKxx
06-28-2011, 6:38 AM
I have those green Winchester military buck shot too. Mostly got them because they looked pretty sweet. Functioned perfect in my mossberg 590, destroyed stuff pretty good but recoil was harsh. But I'm sure recoil is bad in all 12g buckshot (was my first 12g that I owned and shot 00 buck)

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=857119

Agent Akin
06-28-2011, 6:40 AM
15 round Winchester value packs of 2 3/4", '00' buck at Wal-Mart for $10 - hard to beat. I have the 'Mil-Spec' green hulled ones too, looks exactly the same save for the color. I wish there was a cheap source for #4 buck or #1 buck, but I'm not into ordering online yet.

There's no Walmart close to Burbank, and when I do happen to find myself at one, the ammo shelf is almost always virtually empty...

But aside from that, is it good ammo? Could I expect more than half the pellets to hit a target at ten yards, which is something a lot of folks have *****ed about the military buckshot not being able to do?

heh... some threads I've read claim that the military loads are designed to spread out wildly so that you can hit more than one bad guy per shot, which sounds like a load of crap to me...

xxINKxx
06-28-2011, 6:55 AM
My buddy used to buy the winchester buckshot from walmart. I think it was called Winchester Super X with a silver box and red writing. Pretty low priced and also worked just fine. The walmart in orange always has it. They also have the hollow point slugs too that are same brand.

aippi
06-28-2011, 8:12 AM
I buy Wolf 00 buy the case. My 11-87P loves it and of course my 870's are like Mikey and eat anthing so they love it. It is a little hotter then most others and you will notice this when shooting it. Do not confuse it with Wolf Russian pistol or rifle ammo. The shotgun stuff is German made. It is good ammo at a good price and I would not hesitate to go into a fight with it.

Also, I don't know for sure but have read that the Wolf Slugs use Brenneke slugs. Since Wolf manufactures nothing and is simply a distributor, I suspect they are made by Brenneke with a Wolf lable. Anyone knowing more about this can post in and comfirm it.

So stocking up with this ammo is a good bet due to the price and the fact it works.

Reductio
06-28-2011, 9:34 AM
I prefer Federal 00 with FliteControl wads, or Hornady with Versiwads (same thing). Very nice tight groups.

Nothing wrong with the mil stuff for practicing though.

Agent Akin
06-28-2011, 2:34 PM
Hmmm... I see that MidwayUSA sells the Wolf buckshot, does anyone know of anywhere that sells the Federal with flightcontrol wads?

r870noob
06-28-2011, 2:38 PM
you can try www.ammunitiontogo.com for the federal flight control, pfc15400, these are the full power 00 buck.

r870noob
06-28-2011, 2:41 PM
enjoy!

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=91127

hcbr
06-28-2011, 3:22 PM
Federal, Winchester and Remington have some good stuff for SHTF HD

huggybear
06-28-2011, 3:25 PM
I use Winchester Ranger 00 buck and i like it but its low recoil so i don't know if it would work with your benelli even though truthfully i dont feel the difference when shooting it.

aippi
06-28-2011, 3:53 PM
www.sportsmansguide.com has Wolf 00 for $169.97 for a case of 250 rounds. that is about 68 cents a round before shipping. It is $161.97 if you are a member.

prc77
06-28-2011, 4:48 PM
For $10 more you can get a case of Fed with Flight Control

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/250rds-12-gauge-federal-le13300-8-pellet-buckshot-ammo

Rio 00 Buck for training $100/ case

http://www.sgammo.com/product/rio/250rd-12-gauge-rio-high-power-00-buckshot-9-pellet-1

The Fed with FLIGHT CONTROL is the tightest patterning 00 out there.

aippi
06-28-2011, 5:48 PM
I have never used the flight control stuff as my primary need for this weapon is HD. At those distances none of this matters. I want a decent spread at outdoor distances and to tight a pattern can result in a miss as I would be in movement when shooting. I can not think of a situation where I would be outside standing still while being shot at and returning fire. This is why I select a shotgun. So for me, regular *** buck shot is going to work fine.

SixPointEight
06-28-2011, 5:59 PM
The walmart Winchester Super X stuff IS the same as the military buck. Some construction. Same patterning, buffering, shot cards etc. It's nearly identical

BLC
06-28-2011, 6:22 PM
I bought the Super X stuff too, grabbed a few boxes when I ordered the gun from Buds.

Dhena81
06-28-2011, 6:36 PM
Whatever groups the tightest in your 12 gauge it really doesn't matter beyond that and if manufactures say it does its probably mostly marketing.

hitman13
06-28-2011, 6:38 PM
The federal flitecontrol wad gets my vote. Just patterned some of it last week, it's my depts current issue ammo, along with the federal classic rifled slugs.

hitman13
06-28-2011, 6:39 PM
Whatever groups the tightest in your 12 gauge it really doesn't matter beyond that and if manufactures say it does its probably mostly marketing.

That's what I thought too until I tired the FC wads!

r870noob
06-28-2011, 6:53 PM
i also use the federal flight control wad ammo, low recoil though.

dw1784
06-28-2011, 6:53 PM
Also, I don't know for sure but have read that the Wolf Slugs use Brenneke slugs. Since Wolf manufactures nothing and is simply a distributor, I suspect they are made by Brenneke with a Wolf lable. Anyone knowing more about this can post in and comfirm it.

So stocking up with this ammo is a good bet due to the price and the fact it works.

Wolf slugs are made by SK Schonebeck, now owned by Lapua GmbH, part of the giant Nammo Lapua conglomerate.

Breneke's a wholely independent manufacturer.

prc77
06-28-2011, 7:02 PM
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/prc77509th/DSC01869.jpg

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/prc77509th/DSC01870.jpg

dw1784
06-28-2011, 7:07 PM
Whatever groups the tightest in your 12 gauge it really doesn't matter beyond that and if manufactures say it does its probably mostly marketing.

xactly. Whichever works for your gun. Try them all and see how they pattern. Some swear by high brass, some like the green soft Remington plastic. Myself, I don't like unbuffered euro type 70mm hulls. POA and POI will be different from load to load. Find the one you like and stick with it.

BigDogatPlay
06-28-2011, 7:44 PM
I buy Wolf 00 buy the case. My 11-87P loves it and of course my 870's are like Mikey and eat anthing so they love it. It is a little hotter then most others and you will notice this when shooting it. Do not confuse it with Wolf Russian pistol or rifle ammo. The shotgun stuff is German made. It is good ammo at a good price and I would not hesitate to go into a fight with it.

Also, I don't know for sure but have read that the Wolf Slugs use Brenneke slugs. Since Wolf manufactures nothing and is simply a distributor, I suspect they are made by Brenneke with a Wolf lable. Anyone knowing more about this can post in and comfirm it.

So stocking up with this ammo is a good bet due to the price and the fact it works.

+1 on the Wolf shotgun ammo. Excellent value and always goes bang for me.

I bought a case of 00B and a case of 1 oz. slugs (and they do appear to be Brenneke slugs, or a close facsimile thereof) before the 2008 election panic as practice / training ammo. Still have a few boxes of each in my stash. Both run and shoot just fine, thanks, through my 870P and 500 with riot barrel. No experience with either in a semi-auto yet, but no reason to doubt that they'd work just fine. Based on performance I would echo aippi and I'd trust either in a fight.

The Winchester Mil-Spec... internally it appears to be no different than their regular Super-X buck rounds. I bought a bunch on sale figuring why not as the price was generous. My 500 wouldn't pattern it well at all, I wouldn't trust it past 10 or maybe 15 yards but it would almost certainly get the job done at HD distances. What little I have left is strictly practice ammo, once it's used up I won't buy it again.

Nerfherder
06-28-2011, 8:42 PM
Whichever 00 load patterns the best out of your shotgun.

SixPointEight
06-28-2011, 8:51 PM
I have some targets i did patterning on. I'll take some pics and post em

ilikeguns
06-28-2011, 8:58 PM
For 00 I buy whatever is on sale. No need to get fancy with the 12 gauge in my opinion. Leave the fancy ammo for the precision rifles and finer firearms.

twotap
06-28-2011, 9:36 PM
I have had good results with Rio buckshot. Nice pattern, good control with follow up shots. No feed problems

Silverbullett
06-28-2011, 10:06 PM
I have had good results with Rio buckshot. Nice pattern, good control with follow up shots. No feed problems

Same here. I'm using their #1 buck.

greyhd
06-28-2011, 11:17 PM
Winchester 12g PDX1, single round with a 1oz slug, 00 combo.

SixPointEight
06-29-2011, 9:25 PM
Dots measure 3 inches, numbers measure 1.25 inches:

Mil Buckshot 5 yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0260-1.jpg
Mil Buckshot 15 yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0259.jpg
Win Super-X 5 yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0261.jpg
Win Super-X 15 yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0258.jpg
Flitecontrol 5 Yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0262-1.jpg
Flitecontrol 15 Yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0263.jpg

SixPointEight
06-29-2011, 9:25 PM
Flitecontrol 25 Yard:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z106/jmtyndall/IMAG0264.jpg

1998 m4a1
06-29-2011, 10:29 PM
winchester magnum 00buck is great, nothing like 15 pellets compared to only 9 from the smaller loads.

patterns great too. nice even plate platter at 25 yards.