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anotherone
12-26-2006, 4:07 PM
My wife and I have finally decided to leave the PRK and have settled on Portland Oregon. Mainly we wanted somewhere slightly more conservative, yet still with a lively metropolitan life where we could live comfortably without having to make $250,000/year.

I've noticed that Class III items are lawful, there seems to be individual protection in the state constitution for firearms ownership, hunting seems plentiful, there is right to carry, and it's actually an open carry state! However, as we all know there are some fringe liberals in Portland, Oregon. How vulnerable is the state governement in Oregon to a California style socialist takeover?

Would it be safe to move there, or is a liberal police state in the making there as well just like in Cali, New York, Hawaii, Illonois, and Mass? How likely/long is Oregon to remain a free state?

Kruzr
12-26-2006, 4:11 PM
Two more weeks!

theseacow
12-26-2006, 4:14 PM
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SemiAutoSam
12-26-2006, 4:19 PM
We visited coos bay a few years ago as I had told the wife that its beautiful up there and at the time I really was thinking about moving there but during that trip the people were real arseholes. we stayed a few days and then bailed but not before we ate at a real nice place in COOS BAY called bennetts or something like that its an Italian restaurant owned by a nice family.

The major reason I wanted to move there is because they are a class 3 state aka NFA weapons are legal. And I do not think there is any additional state permit required.

CALI-gula
12-26-2006, 4:20 PM
Oregon slightly more conservative?

It only seems that way since it is not so congested. People still have room to move and the herding of them like sheep and convincing them of the same has yet to begin. Instilling in them that they NEED more government control of their freedoms to protect their freedoms ( :rolleyes: ) has not yet taken full force like it has in CA.

However, once Portland or a few other bigger OR cities become like Los Angeles or San Francisco, I would be willing to bet that OR will be THE very next state to adopt CA Anti-2nd Amendment laws, if Colorado doesn't beat Oregon to it.


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CALI-gula
12-26-2006, 4:23 PM
We visited coos bay a few years ago as I had told the wife that its beautiful up there and at the time I really was thinking about moving there but during that trip the people were real arseholes.

That's it? You mean the plentiful amount of large fields surrounded by inward facing 14-foot high barbed wire fences didn't scare you off? :cool:


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grammaton76
12-26-2006, 4:28 PM
And then Washington will come next. Blasted hippies.

anotherone
12-26-2006, 4:35 PM
Guys I'm just still kinda mystified how a state with large liberal urban areas such as Portland can have some of the most awesome gun laws on the west coast. Maybe there's just enough folks in the rural areas to offset the big urban votes or the state constitution's provision for individual firearms ownership outside of a militia makes gun control more difficult.

Last time I was in Denver, CO it was pretty conservative... why do you guys think the PRK is comming to Colorado next?

Rumpled
12-26-2006, 4:41 PM
Isn't Oregon pretty socialized already? Just maybe not on gun laws.
Don't they have some kind of socialized medicine?
They don't let you pump your own gas. Socialized employment for gas jockeys.
If I'm not mistaken, Oregon's minimum wage is more than CA.
I always seem to hear of real wacky legislation out of Portland, things I expect from Berkeley, SF, Davis and Marin Co.

SemiAutoSam
12-26-2006, 4:43 PM
IMHO Washington is already there as you can own suppressors from what I understand but not use them on a weapon. and MG and every other kind of NFA weapon is illegal there according to state law.

But the mountains are beautiful :eek:

And then Washington will come next. Blasted hippies.

bwiese
12-26-2006, 4:50 PM
Eastern Oregon's a whole 'nuther world.

I have family in La Grande.

Once you go east of the Cascades, the featherheads disappear. Everyone has CCWs, ARs and AKs in the racks at the gunshops.

Conservative but not terribly bible-thumpin'.

anotherone
12-26-2006, 4:54 PM
Eastern Oregon's a whole 'nuther world.

I have family in La Grande.

Once you go east of the Cascades, the featherheads disappear. Everyone has CCWs, ARs and AKs in the racks at the gunshops.

Conservative but not terribly bible-thumpin'.

Are you still allowed to have CCWs and Class III NFA items in urban areas like Portland and the surrounding metro areas?

Miltiades
12-26-2006, 4:55 PM
If you are going to move out of California, there are probably safer political alternatives than Oregon. My own favorite indicator is the percentage vote for Republican/Democrat in recent national presidential elections. You can find this data on the web pretty easily.

The top three states by this measure all had a Republican/Democrat percentage in the 63%/37% range, and they were Utah, Idaho and Wyoming. It is probably not a coincidence that these states also have very good gun laws, if you are a gun owner. Other western states with a favorable Rep/Dem ratio include Arizona, Montana, Texas and Oklahoma. As you have probably noticed, Oregon and Washington are tending more in the opposite direction politically, based on recent elections.

I am personally more inclined to Utah and northern Arizona, and I also hope to exit California when I can manage it.

anotherone
12-26-2006, 4:57 PM
It sure would be nice if states like Montana and Utah had excellent job opportunities. While Montana and Texas do have excellent hunting, it can be very difficult to break into the job market in either state.

quagmiles
12-26-2006, 6:00 PM
If you don't like it you can just get your family doctor to help you commit suicide.

mike100
12-26-2006, 6:10 PM
I remember hearing about a couple of counties in Norcal and some counties in SE Oregon wanting to break off to form the 51st state so as to get representation that didn't include ideas from LA, SF, Portland etc. I think it was to be called the state of Jefferson or something like that.


There's good money to be made in the Powder River basin in WY right now. They pay $30 an hour (entry level pay) to pump diesel into mining equipment in the mine maintenance operations (How's that for a gas station job?). Coal and coal bed methane is in a boom cycle. God awful country in the wintertime... no trees, lots of wind...Oh..and it does get to 95-100 degrees in the summer as well. Money kind of messed up the real estate market too. hope you have a house to sell, but definitely more money to be made there than say, Northern AZ where there aren't any jobs and the people like it that way.

PLINK
12-26-2006, 11:52 PM
I have two friends that moved to Oregon. One moved 5 years ago and the other just recently. They both live in Salem, OR. The only thing they ever said they miss about Nor-Cal is the Sierras for their favorite fishing spots. They have never found anything like them so far in OR. They dig the guns laws and the DMV fees are $60-65 for two years no mater what you own. One complaint they mentioned is OR has a higher property tax than CA.

I am not ready to call it quits here in CA. I do think about leaving often though. My mind will definately be made up when/ if CA ever bans all guns. I think the NRA and the people in CA that care about the 2nd Ammendment can only hold them off for so long. My wife and I are very lucky we have jobs that are available to us in any state.

CalNRA
12-27-2006, 12:13 AM
I am not ready to call it quits here in CA. I do think about leaving often though. My mind will definately be made up when/ if CA ever bans all guns. I think the NRA and the people in CA that care about the 2nd Ammendment can only hold them off for so long. My wife and I are very lucky we have jobs that are available to us in any state.

and most gun owners in this state(heck even on Calguns) are too uppity to recognize that and join the NRA. Glad to hear some realistic thinking, I wish more of us can wake up and realize that.

eckerph
12-27-2006, 12:24 AM
Living in a "gun friendly" state could mean nothing, When i lived in NM the city had closed down all public/private ranges and the rest of the area besides a god forsaken strip of BLM land full of rattlers and thorns was in private hands. Sucks to be able to own whatever you want but have nowhere to shoot.

xenophobe
12-27-2006, 5:34 AM
Why won't Oregon turn into the next ban state?

Oregon Bill of Rights:

Sec. 27. The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence
(sic) of themselves, and the State, but the military shall
be kept in strict subordination to the civil power [.]

Python2
12-27-2006, 5:56 AM
and most gun owners in this state(heck even on Calguns) are too uppity to recognize that and join the NRA. Glad to hear some realistic thinking, I wish more of us can wake up and realize that.

I did not have to wake up to realize that. Been a member since day one. I myself could not understand why some gun owners hate/dont trust NRA:confused: .

royta
12-27-2006, 6:14 AM
Last time I was in Denver, CO it was pretty conservative... why do you guys think the PRK is comming to Colorado next?
I apologize if this was already taken care of, but Denver is a no-AW city.

royta
12-27-2006, 6:27 AM
I remember hearing about a couple of counties in Norcal and some counties in SE Oregon wanting to break off to form the 51st state so as to get representation that didn't include ideas from LA, SF, Portland etc. I think it was to be called the state of Jefferson or something like that.
I grew up in the State of Jefferson. As I recall, there was something on the ballot regarding the making of a 51st state. I grew up on a 120 acre ranch, that my parents still own and live at, just to the SE of Yreka about 17 miles. Here's a pic taken from one of the fields.
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/royta/images/house/DCP_0359_800-530.jpg

After getting married in '97, I moved to Ashland. I was 24. In the summer we'd ride our bikes down to the snow cone shop at 11 at night. So much fun. Then we moved to Eugene in '99. My wife and I would go to the Saturday Farmer's Market in Eugene to buy our produce. We'd check out the bearded ladies and watch the wackos do their little protests on the courthouse sidewalks. All the while I had either my Sigarms P229 or my Kahr P9 legally concealed on my side. We were in Eugene on 9/11/01. I remember the gas station parking lot I was in when I heard the news on the radio. We'd go down to the candlelight vigils downtown. I just feel like I'm apart of the town when I live in smaller places. Sure, the cities were liberal, but that kept them entertaining. Then, we moved to SoCal in '02. It wasn't so bad at first, but the last year or so has been real tough on me. This is a depressing place to live. It's a total downer to come back from vacation to a neat area. There's really nothing to come home to, except for anti-gunners, anti-hunters, lots of traffic, keep up with the Jones' mentality with everybody's shiny brand new cars, etc. We sold our house this month though, and are now renting a house until we move out CA in July '07. No, we're not choosing OR or CO.

the_lynch_family
12-27-2006, 9:00 AM
Hey anotherone,
Myself and the wife just got back from the Portland area. We are trying to move there also. The housing is great. You can actually purchase some acres with a house just outside of 25 miles of Portland. I did do some research on the class III items. From what I was told by the locals you can pretty much get a sign off in 99% of the counties without any issues. The guys out there do many group buys on suppressors, etc. We just missed one. LOL.
The problem I am having is find a job in the computer field while still living out here. Do you have any job sources.

QUOTE=anotherone]My wife and I have finally decided to leave the PRK and have settled on Portland Oregon. Mainly we wanted somewhere slightly more conservative, yet still with a lively metropolitan life where we could live comfortably without having to make $250,000/year.

I've noticed that Class III items are lawful, there seems to be individual protection in the state constitution for firearms ownership, hunting seems plentiful, there is right to carry, and it's actually an open carry state! However, as we all know there are some fringe liberals in Portland, Oregon. How vulnerable is the state governement in Oregon to a California style socialist takeover?

Would it be safe to move there, or is a liberal police state in the making there as well just like in Cali, New York, Hawaii, Illonois, and Mass? How likely/long is Oregon to remain a free state?[/QUOTE]

bg
12-27-2006, 11:45 AM
Boy what a beautiful picture in post 24*

royta
12-27-2006, 5:00 PM
Hey anotherone,
Myself and the wife just got back from the Portland area. We are trying to move there also. The housing is great. You can actually purchase some acres with a house just outside of 25 miles of Portland. I did do some research on the class III items. From what I was told by the locals you can pretty much get a sign off in 99% of the counties without any issues. The guys out there do many group buys on suppressors, etc. We just missed one. LOL.
The problem I am having is find a job in the computer field while still living out here. Do you have any job sources.

Here's what my FFL did in Lane County (Eugene). He wanted to get into supressors and machine guns. The sherrif of Lane County didn't sign him off. So he just went and got his FFL and everything necessary to sell Class III. Kind or ironic actually. Now he is able to sell Class III items to the agency's boss who originally wouldn't sign him off. He now has a HK MP5SD, a beautiful Colt M16 that he also threads a supressor on to, and several handguns with supressors. His safe is crammed full of fun. So basically, even if you can't get signed off, you could always become licensed. It may be harder to do so now, though. You may need a store front.