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saber
06-20-2011, 8:26 PM
So I've decided that I want to pick up a shotgun for skeet shooting and maybe a little hunting if I get the chance.

I already have a Benelli Supernova tactical and an Ithaca pump, both in 12 gauge.

To mix things up, I'd like to get either a semi, an over under, or side by side.

My budget is up to $700 otd.

Anyone have any suggestions.

johnmoney
06-20-2011, 10:15 PM
I'm in the same boat as you and will most likely purchase a used Remington 1100 when the time and price is right. I look forward to hearing other suggestions though.

Thefeeder
06-21-2011, 12:06 AM
Here is how you pick a shotgun....just skip the HD part

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=425953

bjl333
06-21-2011, 12:11 AM
http://www.kolararms.com/skeetmaxskt.html

Your ultimate destination for your skeet gun!! :D

BigDogatPlay
06-21-2011, 12:20 PM
If you are considering an over / under, trot down to Big 5. They often have Stoeger Condors, sometimes Mossberg Silver Reserves or other brands, that you can throw up on your shoulder to get a feel.

Some potentials in the entry level category of over / unders......

Stoeger (http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_condor.php)... made in Brazil, IIRC.

CZ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/by-category/shotguns/)... scroll to the bottom of the page. Turkish made.

Tri-Star (http://www.tristarsportingarms.com/product_hunter.html), also Turkish made.

USSG (http://ussginc.com/longguns.html), which is importing Baikal guns from Russia. The over / unders are in the link MP310/ SPR310/ IZH27. I own a Baikal made / Remington imported o/u and it's been a solid shooter for the past few years for me.

Or you can do what I do and incessantly prowl gunshop consignment racks looking for discarded jewels.

Sicarius
06-21-2011, 12:24 PM
1100 is a good staple to go with in that budget. Plenty of parts and proven platform.
Kevin

richardk1911
06-21-2011, 1:09 PM
One more remington guy here~ go with 1100 You just can't go wrong. I f ever go wrong it's easy and cheap to fix it. It's whole lot of fun. :79:

saber
06-21-2011, 2:36 PM
Can anyone school me on the different options for the 1100?

I was doing some online searching and pricing and noticed that there is an 1100 and 1187 with different models of each.

RedFord150
06-21-2011, 2:56 PM
Take a drive up to Azusa and visit Pacific Sporting Arms. Let John fit a few guns to your shoulder and advise you what the best choice is.
http://www.pacificsportingarms.com/
Good luck.

BigDogatPlay
06-21-2011, 4:48 PM
Can anyone school me on the different options for the 1100?

You can use an 1100 for anything, just change out barrels, furniture or choke to suit your needs. Your imagination is pretty much no limitation with the 1100. I just bought another one, lightly used, from a Calgunner that is going to be a dedicated trap gun. I know other guys who've built HD and 3 gun pieces from 1100s and 11-87s.

I was doing some online searching and pricing and noticed that there is an 1100 and 11-87 with different models of each.

There are many offerings tailored to different needs but at their cores they are all the same gun. Both very robust and unfailingly reliable.

A new 1100 or 11-87 may be above your price target, so you may want to shop around a bit. There are good deals out there on quality units.

mdhpper
06-21-2011, 5:04 PM
Look for a used Ruger Red Label or a Beretta. If you want something that is going to last, stay away from Turkish shotguns. Finding replacement parts for those can be problematic.

JagerDog
06-21-2011, 5:37 PM
If you want an O/U or SxS, better increase your wallet. The choices in that price range leave a LOT to be desired.

I'm not an 1100 fan myself. I've always felt they were heavy and not particularly nimble. I much prefer the Browning and Beretta (includes Benelli) autos. $700 OTD will get a lightly used field grade of either mfg. The "WalMart Beretta" (black plastic stock, dull/plain receiver) can be had new for that. It's the same guts as the higher $ B's.

JagerDog
06-21-2011, 5:37 PM
If you want an O/U or SxS, better increase your wallet. The choices in that price range leave a LOT to be desired.

I'm not an 1100 fan myself. I've always felt they were heavy and not particularly nimble. I much prefer the Browning and Beretta (includes Benelli) autos. $700 OTD will get a lightly used field grade of either mfg. The "WalMart Beretta" (black plastic stock, dull/plain receiver) can be had new for that. It's the same guts as the higher $ B's.

CH-47
06-22-2011, 3:31 AM
Just picked up a Winchester SX3 12 gauge 28inch barrel.
Light with low recoil.......composite stock.....perfect gun.
Check out the dovenator videos on youtube....

verapakill
06-22-2011, 3:32 AM
http://www.kolararms.com/skeetmaxskt.html

Your ultimate destination for your skeet gun!! :D

I would take his suggestion

He knows his stuff when it comes to skeet

Newshooter
06-22-2011, 7:11 AM
Beretta 3901 Citizen. Wood Stock, Beretta innards...great firearm.

Khanan
06-22-2011, 8:01 AM
http://www.kolararms.com/skeetmaxskt.html

Your ultimate destination for your skeet gun!!

I would take his suggestion

He knows his stuff when it comes to skeet

Uh huh. Let me sell my car or maybe two to buy one of those.

Holy #$@ that is expensive.

redrex
06-22-2011, 5:19 PM
OK, I was in the same boat. I went to that damn skeet clinic with Lou up here in SF about two weeks ago and yeah, I got bit! I swear that I've been online, researching skeet guns 2 to 8 hours a day since.

My budget was around $600. I wanted preferably an O/U but if not a semi. I like the feel of the O/U, and I hate picking up those damn shells :)

Just yesterday I bought a CZ Redhead for just under $900. Yes, it was over my budget. I had decided to get a CZ Canvasback but then "found" an extra $300! so I went with the Redhead... Ohhh, Shiny!


Anyway, here is what I found in my research. Skeet will beat your gun faster then almost any other use. One round is 25 shots! If you shot only 4 rounds, every other weekend for two years that's close to 5000 rounds. Not including any practice. Not good, as from what I have read almost all of these intro O/U start to "fade" around 5k rounds.



All of these are around or under $500.

- Stoeger Condor - Nice guns for the price. I have heard both good and horrible accounts of these guns. Here is a nice long term report: http://typicalshooter.com/2011/03/review-stoeger-condor-over-and-under-shotgun/

BTW - Someone on the board is selling the competition model for a pretty decent price.


- Mossberg Silver Reserve - From what I have read, back in the day they had issues but that has cleared up. The are pretty much on par with the Stoeger but I have not heard anything as to a long term report.


- Spartan - I think I saw as many pro as against. Nothing that got my attention though.

Now here is where things get interesting. Time and time again I have seen people comment that the $500 price point is a throwaway gun. You'll get some good years out of it but don't expect it to last. Then I ran across CZ's line of O/U's.

Do your own research, but see if you can find an honest negative review that was done in the last 5 years. No matter how I sliced it, the data kept coming back...

The CZ Canvasback !!!

Everyone at every shop that I have talked to always forgets to mention CZ. They try to sell me on a Browning or some other $1,500 or on the Mossberg silver Reserve. But when I ask about the CZ they all were like, OH YEAH, that's a great gun but you are talking $1,000 and that is above your price point. Sure the Redhead and Woodcock are but it's like they can't admit that the Canvasback is out there.

Don't take my word for it. This guy has logged every single shot from his! He is closing in on 15,000 rounds!

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=189338&sid=70be08ffab4ab9888d6d01fed515e3a2

Buds has the Canvasback on sale with free shipping for just over $500.

JagerDog
06-22-2011, 9:54 PM
Just for clarity...quality O/U's are measured in the 100's of thousands of rounds.

Myself, I'd opt for a lightly used O/U if I had to have an O/U. Plenty of Browning Citori's in the $1K range. I've seen some go just over your budget (800-900). And if you ever feel the need to sell it...guess what...still $1K.

A plain Jane Beretta goes for a couple hun more.

The trend now is to 30" and longer barrels. Hence there's some competitive pricing on shorter barrels.

I fully understand the desire to get a "bargain" sleeper brand. In my experience there really isn't such a thing. At best you get a gun which meets your immediate needs and actually performs well....until you try to sell it to get what you shoulda bought the first time. At worst, you end up with a pile of parts.

I'm a member on ShotgunWorld. Lots more shotgun info there.

Edit:

Heck, there's a Beretta essential with 26" barrels, LNIB for $825 on gunbroker. As well a Citori (28") LNIB for $900 (was $1k buy it now). In the long haul a couple extra hun spent now will be long forgotten. Personally, I don't think you're handicapped with 28" barrels. 26" was the rage in skeet not long ago.

saber
06-23-2011, 8:42 AM
Hi everyone,

Based on the input that I received, here are some of the shotguns that generally fit into my price range:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_65_985/products_id/64188

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/588_989/products_id/12332

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/992/products_id/99879

There is a CZ over-under, a Beretta 3901 and a Remington 11-87. Can anyone find any fatal flaws with any of these?

Thanks