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JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 11:53 AM
Limited edition PRK AOW

IVAN-12

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r189/SiksPak88/photobucket-19506-1307862856484.jpg

PANTyRAiD
06-13-2011, 12:26 PM
So if thats AOW then all you need is a 200 dollar tax stamp correct?

How is it that this is not considered a SBS?

PANTyRAiD
06-13-2011, 12:27 PM
If I am not mistaken, since it is an AOW you can legally take of the BB, correct?

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 12:47 PM
It's not considered an SBS because it never had a buttstock.
Form 1 = $200, form 4 = $5
You ARE mistaken. An AOW is registered to the end user as a handgun, therefore it needs a maglock.

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 1:21 PM
sweet.

sucks that a Saiga-12 has to be sacrificed to make the AOW.

AJAX22
06-13-2011, 1:35 PM
I got a little hard looking at that.....

Got any pics with a 10 rounder?

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 2:04 PM
sweet.

sucks that a Saiga-12 has to be sacrificed to make the AOW.

How does the saying go? Something about an omelette and breaking eggs? :D

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 2:45 PM
I got a little hard looking at that.....

Got any pics with a 10 rounder?

That's sooo typical of you. What?! 5 isn't good enough? I'll just put in 5 twice :D

It's not the length of the mag that counts, it's how well you place your shots.

Cali-Shooter
06-13-2011, 2:54 PM
Limited edition PRK AOW

IVAN-12

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r189/SiksPak88/photobucket-19506-1307862856484.jpg

Lucky sonnuva.... ;)

jumbopanda
06-13-2011, 2:58 PM
Isn't this still considered a SBS according to CA law?

Killawhale415
06-13-2011, 3:08 PM
Its an AOW

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 3:08 PM
Isn't this still considered a SBS according to CA law?
yes, CA considers this to be an SBS. However, as a federally-registered AOW, it is exempt from CA's SBS laws, but not exempt from CA's AW laws.

CSACANNONEER
06-13-2011, 3:11 PM
I got a little hard looking at that.....

Got any pics with a 10 rounder?

Hell, it would be legal with 20 round drums and a mag lock. Of course, that's providing the OP has access to legally owned +10 round mags.

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 3:13 PM
Hell, it would be legal with 20 round drums and a mag lock. Of course, that's providing the OP has access to legally owned +10 round mags.

nope. CA still considers it to be a pistol, so a fixed 11+ round mag creates an AW.

Now, if you wanted that AOW with >16.1" barrel, but <26" OAL, you might be able to run it without a mag-lock and with 11+ round mags :D But that is one of those super-evil combinations that we aren't suppposed to talk about:43:

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 3:23 PM
nope. CA still considers it to be a pistol, so a fixed 11+ round mag creates an AW.

Now, if you wanted that AOW with >16.1" barrel, but <26" OAL, you might be able to run it without a mag-lock and with 11+ round mags :D But that is one of those super-evil combinations that we aren't suppposed to talk about:43:

Eh. Just go 18" bbl and no stock. You still need a maglock, but can run >10rd mags. No pesky 90+ day wait for the tax stamp. Not to mention, you can forego the rebuild onto a virgin receiver.

PANTyRAiD
06-13-2011, 3:26 PM
How is it that it never had a butt stock? Arent they all imported with butt stocks?

Or is it that the FFL just sold it to you without one?

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 3:29 PM
Eh. Just go 18" bbl and no stock. You still need a maglock, but can run >10rd mags. No pesky 90+ day wait for the tax stamp. Not to mention, you can forego the rebuild onto a virgin receiver.it has been opined that if you rebuilt it on a virgin receiver and built it with an 18" barrel and >26" OAL, but never installed a buttstock (and the receiver had a pistol trunnion) in a Cruiser config, that you wouldn't even need that maglock:D

But I do see what you mean that getting a tax stamp to lose just 1.9" of barrel length isn't that smart an idea.



How is it that it never had a butt stock? Arent they all imported with butt stocks?

Or is it that the FFL just sold it to you without one?
PRK took a brand new Saiga 12 and cut it up. they then created a new receiver and attached the parts from the S-12 that they previously demilled.

CSACANNONEER
06-13-2011, 3:36 PM
nope. CA still considers it to be a pistol, so a fixed 11+ round mag creates an AW.

Now, if you wanted that AOW with >16.1" barrel, but <26" OAL, you might be able to run it without a mag-lock and with 11+ round mags :D But that is one of those super-evil combinations that we aren't suppposed to talk about:43:

I stand corrected. I was distracted with work and typed without thinking things through. I was thinking of shotguns and not AOWs not being AWs with +10 fixed mags on them.

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 3:56 PM
I stand corrected. I was distracted with work and typed without thinking things through. I was thinking of shotguns and not AOWs not being AWs with +10 fixed mags on them.
no problem. I've done the same thing and started thinking up a evil design that would be CA legal, and then realize that its an AW:kest:

PANTyRAiD
06-13-2011, 6:16 PM
it has been opined that if you rebuilt it on a virgin receiver and built it with an 18" barrel and >26" OAL, but never installed a buttstock (and the receiver had a pistol trunnion) in a Cruiser config, that you wouldn't even need that maglock:D



I knew I was right about loosing the BB...

So how much do AOW S12's run??

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 6:39 PM
I knew I was right about loosing the BB...

So how much do AOW S12's run??

That would not be in a pistol configuration. The 18" barrel/26" overall length/built on virgin receiver is a title 1 firearm. It would be the same length as a standard Saiga12 without a butstock. A far cry from this 16" beauty.

ETA* you're looking at a pricetag in the neighborhood of $2500

Tweak338
06-13-2011, 7:16 PM
IVAN-12 huh?
Is this Ivanimals?

PANTyRAiD
06-13-2011, 7:26 PM
That would not be in a pistol configuration. The 18" barrel/26" overall length/built on virgin receiver is a title 1 firearm. It would be the same length as a standard Saiga12 without a butstock. A far cry from this 16" beauty.

ETA* you're looking at a pricetag in the neighborhood of $2500

Ohh ok I see...

So can you legally put a forgrip on that puppy?

Thanks for all the info too...

ke6guj
06-13-2011, 7:36 PM
Ohh ok I see...

So can you legally put a forgrip on that puppy?

Thanks for all the info too...

for the item pictured above, it would not be a violation of federal or state law to put a VFG on that.

JagerTroop
06-13-2011, 7:39 PM
IVAN-12 huh?
Is this Ivanimals?ETA* sorry. I should've clarified. It's MINE! (well... in a few short weeks. Damn tax stamp!)

Nope. Ivan is a stereotypical name for a Russian. Similar to "Ruskie"
Ivan was also occasionally used by Americans during the Cold War as a general name for the Soviets (Compare "Jerry" for the Germans or "Charlie" for the Vietnamese during World War II and the Vietnam War, respectively.).



Ohh ok I see...

So can you legally put a forgrip on that puppy?

Thanks for all the info too...

Yep. A foregrip is absolutely an option.

jumbopanda
06-14-2011, 1:35 PM
yes, CA considers this to be an SBS. However, as a federally-registered AOW, it is exempt from CA's SBS laws, but not exempt from CA's AW laws.

Reading...it's a wonderful thing.

Yeah..it is. I just didn't know that being a federally registered AOW exempts it from CA SBS laws (which are not the same as federal SBS laws). But thanks for the sarcasm.

jumbopanda
06-14-2011, 1:40 PM
So Jager, how much did this thing cost you overall?

JagerTroop
06-14-2011, 2:06 PM
So Jager, how much did this thing cost you overall?

PRK is doing a limited amount, built to order, for about $2500

What did I pay? You asking about things that are above your paygrade :cool2:

Classified.

jumbopanda
06-14-2011, 2:11 PM
PRK is doing a limited amount, built to order, for about $2500

What did I pay? You asking about things that are above your paygrade :cool2:

Classified.

Hmm...how exactly did they get their hands on a Saiga 12 receiver that never had a buttstock on it? Is it U.S. made?

CSACANNONEER
06-14-2011, 2:44 PM
Hmm...how exactly did they get their hands on a Saiga 12 receiver that never had a buttstock on it? Is it U.S. made?

They bought a piece of sheet metal and made it.

JagerTroop
06-14-2011, 2:53 PM
They bought a piece of sheet metal and made it.

:eek: that's not possible! :D

Now, making it work... that's the hard part.

JeffM
06-14-2011, 9:05 PM
^ VERY Jealous.

mcat707
06-25-2011, 6:55 AM
I'm really diggin that! I want one now! This would be the ultimate mall ninja home defense weapon equipped with a drum mag, vertical grip, tactical light, red dot sight and topped off with a laser.

247Nino
06-27-2011, 1:09 AM
Price?

ke6guj
06-27-2011, 7:25 AM
PRK is doing a limited amount, built to order, for about $2500

What did I pay? You asking about things that are above your paygrade :cool2:

Classified.
++++

Price?

winnre
06-27-2011, 12:26 PM
I was going to get one too until I found out I can buy THREE Serbu Super Shortys for the same price..

JagerTroop
06-28-2011, 9:33 AM
PRK is doing a limited amount, built to order, for about $2500
What did I pay? You asking about things that are above your paygrade :cool2:

Classified.

That would not be in a pistol configuration. The 18" barrel/26" overall length/built on virgin receiver is a title 1 firearm. It would be the same length as a standard Saiga12 without a butstock. A far cry from this 16" beauty.

ETA* you're looking at a pricetag in the neighborhood of $2500



++++

Retail =$2500

762.DEFENSE
07-01-2011, 3:57 PM
Very jealous of you and your sweet purchase! :thumbsup:

timdps
07-06-2011, 2:45 PM
Now, if you wanted that AOW with >16.1" barrel, but <26" OAL, you might be able to run it without a mag-lock and with 11+ round mags :D But that is one of those super-evil combinations that we aren't suppposed to talk about:43:

So a shorter version of this without the butt stock built on a virgin receiver?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=451345

Tim

Vanilla Gorilla
08-01-2011, 10:56 AM
very cool!