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mp74
06-09-2011, 10:05 AM
I am a Federa LEO in SD, looking to catch a ball game next month in LA. Anyone know the status of Dodger stadium, metal detectors, policies etc.? Current events dictate some uneasiness with taking my family to a day game! If this is the wrong forum I apologize and moderators feel free to move.

Bigtime1
06-09-2011, 10:13 AM
http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=security

Mentions "weapons" inside the stadium. I would expect heightened security in light of recent events.

Be careful.

Who ever would have thought "Escape From L.A." would have been so prophetic?

boxbro
06-09-2011, 10:16 AM
I am a Federa LEO in SD, looking to catch a ball game next month in LA. Anyone know the status of Dodger stadium, metal detectors, policies etc.? Current events dictate some uneasiness with taking my family to a day game! If this is the wrong forum I apologize and moderators feel free to move.

If you're a Federal LEO, why not contact Dodger stadium security and ask them ?

mp74
06-09-2011, 10:27 AM
Checking with them would be my next step, just looking to see if anyone had first hand experience.

thrasherfox
06-09-2011, 11:57 AM
Yes, I would check with the Stadium directly. Talk to the highest level supervisor you can, and if they say you are good make sure you get their name and possibly get them to send you an email so you have it in writing.


What am I missing? what are the current events being talked about?

Sorry for the question but with my daily exposure when someone mentions threat and current events in the same sentance I am trying to determine if they are referring to terrorist threats, home grown gang threats, just the standard drunk idiot that seems to be more and more prevelant at major events.

CnCFunFactory
06-09-2011, 12:04 PM
I'm sure they are referring to the poor guy who was nearly beat to death in the parking lot by gang bangers a while back. LAPD has been stepping up security since.

axel4488
06-09-2011, 1:20 PM
What am I missing? what are the current events being talked about?

Sorry for the question but with my daily exposure when someone mentions threat and current events in the same sentance I am trying to determine if they are referring to terrorist threats, home grown gang threats, just the standard drunk idiot that seems to be more and more prevelant at major events.

a couple of Giants fans were brutally attacked by the some punks at Dodgers Stadium recently

Excelsior
06-09-2011, 1:22 PM
I am a Federa LEO in SD, looking to catch a ball game next month in LA. Anyone know the status of Dodger stadium, metal detectors, policies etc.? Current events dictate some uneasiness with taking my family to a day game! If this is the wrong forum I apologize and moderators feel free to move.
What current events? The singular (albeit tragic) case of a Giants fan getting beaten half to death by two scumbags? Please consider the following along with your uneasiness:

Dodger Stadium has massive security -- private, LAPD and LA Sheriff. Always has. It's almost ridiculous. When I asked one of the Dodgers operating managers why they had so many uniformed LEOs on the grounds, he said it was an easy gig for them and very high profile -- very Metro Division.

While I park on the street and walk in to save the $15-20.00, Dodger Stadium has a massive, well lit parking structure with a palpable security feel to it.

I have no idea how Bryan Stow was comporting himself before he was attacked and there is no way to excuse the cowardly scumbags who attacked Mr. Stow. However on several occasions at Dodger Stadium I have seen small handfuls of drunks outfitted in Giants gear who have acted like real jerks after a Giants win. The sort of behavior that would have routinely resulted in a beating or being thrown over a railing in places like the Bronx, Detroit or down the street at the LA Coliseum. Mouth-off enough and it could even happen in San Diego.

To be honest though, if this single situation makes you feel uneasy then I suspect the best thing for you and your family would be to avoid Dodger Stadium.

Excelsior
06-09-2011, 1:24 PM
Yes, I would check with the Stadium directly. Talk to the highest level supervisor you can, and if they say you are good make sure you get their name and possibly get them to send you an email so you have it in writing.


What am I missing? what are the current events being talked about?

Sorry for the question but with my daily exposure when someone mentions threat and current events in the same sentance I am trying to determine if they are referring to terrorist threats, home grown gang threats, just the standard drunk idiot that seems to be more and more prevelant at major events.
Your answer will be NO.

Heiko
06-09-2011, 1:25 PM
If it's anything like Staples, then no-go no matter who you are. Staples doesn't care if you are off-duty LEO. It's private property and they set the rules. That's for Staples and can't say for Dodger's but I wanted to add that tidbit.

MikeH1
06-09-2011, 1:28 PM
Probably not, the City of Los Angeles upholds the rights of it's gangsters to freely conduct their business without harassment.

Ever since the ever-in-court McCourts took over ownership, it's cheaper and safer to see the games at home on TV. Since they bought the team, food prices and parking costs have skyrocketed, and security has all but abandoned. $20 for peanuts, a beer and a coke. Stay Away.

Meplat
06-09-2011, 1:33 PM
I have no faith in ANY private security anymore and only very little faith in the police helping.


What current events? The singular (albeit tragic) case of a Giants fan getting beaten half to death by two scumbags? Please consider the following along with your uneasiness:

Dodger Stadium has massive security -- private, LAPD and LA Sheriff. Always has. It's almost ridiculous. When I asked one of the Dodgers operating managers why they had so many uniformed LEOs on the grounds, he said it was an easy gig for them and very high profile -- very Metro Division.

While I park on the street and walk in to save the $15-20.00, Dodger Stadium has a massive, well lit parking structure with a palpable security feel to it.

I have no idea how Bryan Stow was comporting himself before he was attacked and there is no way to excuse the cowardly scumbags who attacked Mr. Stow. However on several occasions at Dodger Stadium I have seen small handfuls of drunks outfitted in Giants gear who have acted like real jerks after a Giants win. The sort of behavior that would have routinely resulted in a beating or being thrown over a railing in places like the Bronx, Detroit or down the street at the LA Coliseum. Mouth-off enough and it could even happen in San Diego.

To be honest though, if this single situation makes you feel uneasy then I suspect the best thing for you and your family would be to avoid Dodger Stadium.

nhanson
06-09-2011, 1:37 PM
Last time I went, no metal detectors. About like Disneyland. Concealed is concealed! Your breaking no laws being civilian/federal leo civialian. Make your own judgement on your safety. Dodger Stadium is not in a "safe" location anymore. If you do carry......don't have that ball game beer. Other than that, enjoy the game!

M. D. Van Norman
06-09-2011, 1:48 PM
Wouldn’t this be covered by the brass pass?

Librarian
06-09-2011, 2:02 PM
Wouldn’t this be covered by the brass pass?

LAPD/LASD don't (primarily) provide security there, so no. As noted above, private companies are very reluctant to allow weapons into their facilities.

As a second data point, I do 'security' for a Large Concert Venue Operator, and the company policy is 'take it back to your car or do not come in'. We do have on-duty, uniformed and armed PD on site during events.

harbinger007
06-09-2011, 2:11 PM
Dodger Stadium has massive security -- private, LAPD and LA Sheriff. Always has. It's almost ridiculous. When I asked one of the Dodgers operating managers why they had so many uniformed LEOs on the grounds, he said it was an easy gig for them and very high profile -- very Metro Division.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/05/stow-family-sues-dodgers-beating-giants-fan#ixzz1OorOeOxC

Thomas Girardi, an attorney for the Stow family, said McCourt’s lavish lifestyle and well-documented financial wrangling with his ex-wife contributed to a two-thirds reduction in security at the stadium since 2009, despite full knowledge of violent incidents and a gang presence.

willm952
06-09-2011, 2:44 PM
Wow no baseball hats at a baseball game. Had no idea it was that bad. Not a Dodger fan anyway but wow.

BigDogatPlay
06-09-2011, 2:59 PM
Wouldn’t this be covered by the brass pass?

No... on duty LEO only is what I've been told for several years. Dodger Stadium is owned by the team, all rights and rules of private property pretty much apply.

The assertion that there has long been a strong police and security presence at Dodger Stadium is somewhat suspect, IMO. The venue has become well known for lax security both inside and outside the bowl over a period of years and that has been widely reported. Last time I was there a couple of years ago I saw maybe a half dozen LAPD uniforms at various places around the bowl during the game and that was it. There were a few more in the parking lots but I was actually stunned by how small their presence was.

The Brian Stow beat down earlier this year was so bad that the media and people in LA finally started taking notice. The city was so embarrassed by it that LAPD has consumed an abnormally massive amount of resources trying to put someone into custody behind it.

RomanDad
06-09-2011, 4:34 PM
Yeah... They dont let off-duty LEOs carry.

M. D. Van Norman
06-09-2011, 6:12 PM
Really? Stopped at the door and asked to leave? Color me surprised.

paul0660
06-09-2011, 6:17 PM
I have no idea how Bryan Stow was comporting himself before he was attacked and there is no way to excuse the cowardly scumbags who attacked Mr. Stow. However on several occasions at Dodger Stadium I have seen small handfuls of drunks outfitted in Giants gear who have acted like real jerks after a Giants win. The sort of behavior that would have routinely resulted in a beating or being thrown over a railing in places like the Bronx, Detroit or down the street at the LA Coliseum. Mouth-off enough and it could even happen in San Diego.

No way to excuse it, and you make an excuse for it.........keep it classy El Ay.

Meplat
06-09-2011, 7:32 PM
Really? Stopped at the door and asked to leave? Color me surprised.

How stupid is that. Off duty LE and private CCW can only help.:confused:

Ron-Solo
06-09-2011, 11:14 PM
When they have their annual nite to honor the LASD Medal of Valor recipients, all LASD personnel attending off duty are not allowed to carry.

Librarian
06-09-2011, 11:22 PM
How stupid is that. Off duty LE and private CCW can only help.:confused:

We are, of course, in the Age of Liability. The Age of Responsibility passed out of sight some time ago.

haole_50
06-10-2011, 7:38 AM
Avoid the "DOGGERS" and enjoy a family outing at Angel's stadium; plenty of family things to do there and better security - no need for a weapon.

M. D. Van Norman
06-10-2011, 8:06 AM
A lot of criminals are sports fans, so off-duty cops (and private citizens) do have a need for weapons.

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 12:51 PM
Probably not, the City of Los Angeles upholds the rights of it's gangsters to freely conduct their business without harassment.

Ever since the ever-in-court McCourts took over ownership, it's cheaper and safer to see the games at home on TV. Since they bought the team, food prices and parking costs have skyrocketed, and security has all but abandoned. $20 for peanuts, a beer and a coke. Stay Away.
Poppycock.

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 12:55 PM
No way to excuse it, and you make an excuse for it.........keep it classy El Ay.

OK, "Ukiah" :rolleyes:

The simple fact is that if people act like horse's backsides at games while wearing the out of town team's gear, they're going to run into problems in a great many places -- from large cities like LA to cesspits like excuse me, Ukiah.

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 12:56 PM
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/05/stow-family-sues-dodgers-beating-giants-fan#ixzz1OorOeOxC

SF Examiner? Say no more... :rolleyes:

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 12:59 PM
Last time I went, no metal detectors. About like Disneyland. Concealed is concealed! Your breaking no laws being civilian/federal leo civialian. Make your own judgement on your safety. Dodger Stadium is not in a "safe" location anymore. If you do carry......don't have that ball game beer. Other than that, enjoy the game!

Cathedral High School is directly adjacent to Dodger Stadium. You'd be breaking that rule too.

Smokeybehr
06-10-2011, 1:02 PM
MLB just sucks. Everything is overpriced from the tickets to the concessions to the players. If you want to see a real game, take in a AAA Minor League game. Lots more fun, cheaper all the way around, and you get to say I saw (X player) in the minor leagues.

I love taking in a Grizzlies game, and I've seen Buster Posey, Tim Lincecum and others as they were just starting out.

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 1:03 PM
No... on duty LEO only is what I've been told for several years. Dodger Stadium is owned by the team, all rights and rules of private property pretty much apply.

The assertion that there has long been a strong police and security presence at Dodger Stadium is somewhat suspect, IMO. The venue has become well known for lax security both inside and outside the bowl over a period of years and that has been widely reported. Last time I was there a couple of years ago I saw maybe a half dozen LAPD uniforms at various places around the bowl during the game and that was it. There were a few more in the parking lots but I was actually stunned by how small their presence was.

The Brian Stow beat down earlier this year was so bad that the media and people in LA finally started taking notice. The city was so embarrassed by it that LAPD has consumed an abnormally massive amount of resources trying to put someone into custody behind it.
I find that to be more than suspect...

Before the singular Stow beating I never heard or saw any security concerns at Dodger Stadium -- except from bigots who do not like the fact that it is located in Echo Park.

Excelsior
06-10-2011, 1:05 PM
Avoid the "DOGGERS" and enjoy a family outing at Angel's stadium; plenty of family things to do there and better security - no need for a weapon.
No need for a weapon at Dodger Stadium either -- at lest no more than in OC.

And no, the OC Angels don't have better security -- but they probably should.

harbinger007
06-10-2011, 1:29 PM
Excelsior, the SF Examiner states facts of a suit which charges security has security has been cut two-thirds since 2009. Do you have facts that indicate otherwise or are you just tossing out your personal opinion? It seems unlikely that the Stowe's family attorney would be using personal opinion as the basis for their suit.

Regarding the adjacent Catholic high school, what "rule" are you implying would be broken? If you're referring to a GFSZ, do you realize that doesn't apply to LEOs and CCW holders?

harbinger007
06-10-2011, 1:30 PM
Excelsior, the SF Examiner states facts of a suit which charges security has security has been cut two-thirds since 2009. Do you have facts that indicate otherwise or are you just tossing out your personal opinion? It seems unlikely that the Stowe's family attorney would be using personal opinion as the basis for their suit.

Regarding the adjacent Catholic high school, what "rule" are you implying would be broken? If you're referring to a GFSZ, do you realize that doesn't apply to LEOs and CCW holders?

BigDogatPlay
06-10-2011, 4:07 PM
I find that to be more than suspect...

Before the singular Stow beating I never heard or saw any security concerns at Dodger Stadium -- except from bigots who do not like the fact that it is located in Echo Park.

I live in NorCal and have been to stadiums for games all over the country, including Dodger Stadium on more than a few occasions, Anaheim and San Diego. The fact that the stadium is in Echo Park means nothing.

I have seen, over the years, an increase in the number of thuggish and boorish types in the stands at Dodger Stadium. The beat down of Mr. Stow may be singular in your mind, but the fact that drunks being idiots were allowed to act out largely unabated by security for years is fairly well known and reported.

But let's see what others have reported. (http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/04/08/11/Dodgers-and-LAPD-release-new-security-me/landing_dodgers.html?blockID=500428)

Seems drunken outbursts are not exactly a new thing there. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/dodger-stadium-safety-review-will-examine-alcohol-sales-security-staffing-lighting-bratton-says.html)

And the problems were indeed well known according to some. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/04/is-dodger-stadium-truly-dangerous/)

t may be a dirty little secret, nationally, where the perception is that Dodgers fans are ultra-mellow. You know, “they come late and leave early!” thing. Too cool for school. In point of fact, Dodger Stadium has been filled with dozens, maybe even hundreds of thugs almost every game for years now. Obscenity-spewing, tatted-up gangsters, often-drunk, who can ruin a game for anyone in their vicinity.

Look, every ballpark has it's share of idiots. To say otherwise would be a lie. I see them at AT&T and in Oakland, although I also see them dealt with very quickly. Last Giants Dodgers game I went to in San Francisco I saw some drunken Giants fan trying to pick a fight with a couple of Dodger fans. SFPD did the right thing and hooked up the Giants fan. End of problem.

I appreciate you sticking up for your team. But the facts are pretty apparent that parts of Dodger Stadium have been uncontrolled zoos for quite a while. As far back as 2005 there were reports in the press of issues with drunkeness and fights that the Dodgers weren't really doing anything as an organization about.

Compound that with not even LEO's, which I was, can protect themselves there off duty and the problem becomes all the more clear.

ojisan
06-10-2011, 4:25 PM
Hand held metal detectors are used as needed.
The mood there is somewhat somber these days.
There is now lots of security and no bangers to be seen anywhere.
Go enjoy the game, don't worry about it.

MrClamperSir
06-10-2011, 4:58 PM
Some coliseums have a designated gate which escort permitted people through to a security office and you check you're weapons there. They will store your unloaded pistol for you, like a coat check, during the game and then you pick it up after the game. They even have a room where you can charge your firearm before you're escorted out.

It's worth calling to ask and you may have to call a few times 'cause you don't always get "the right person" with the first call. ;)

paul0660
06-10-2011, 5:09 PM
OK, "Ukiah" :rolleyes:

The simple fact is that if people act like horse's backsides at games while wearing the out of town team's gear, they're going to run into problems in a great many places -- from large cities like LA to cesspits like excuse me, Ukiah.


Geez, never occurred to me that moving to LA from Ukiah would improve my life.............unless I need a ****azz job.

My original statement stands. You excused the assailants of Brian Stow. Which, by the way, happened after a Giants LOSS.

You post like you probably watch games..........drunk and angry. I have more evidence of that than you do of "why" Stow got stomped.

paul0660
06-10-2011, 5:12 PM
No need for a weapon at Dodger Stadium either -- at lest no more than in OC.

Ah the truth comes out. Jealousy is a terrible master. Can't get a CCW, team sucks, traffic is terrible. LOL. Dang those deer are in my backyard again! Sic em dogs!

Excelsior
06-11-2011, 12:55 AM
Ah the truth comes out. Jealousy is a terrible master. Can't get a CCW, team sucks, traffic is terrible. LOL. Dang those deer are in my backyard again! Sic em dogs!

One word...
"Ukiah" :p

Excelsior
06-11-2011, 12:56 AM
Hand held metal detectors are used as needed.
The mood there is somewhat somber these days.
There is now lots of security and no bangers to be seen anywhere.
Go enjoy the game, don't worry about it.
The games are deserted these days.

Not because of the attack but because of Frank McCourt & Co.

Excelsior
06-11-2011, 1:03 AM
Geez, never occurred to me that moving to LA from Ukiah would improve my life.............unless I need a ****azz job.

My original statement stands. You excused the assailants of Brian Stow. Which, by the way, happened after a Giants LOSS.

You post like you probably watch games..........drunk and angry. I have more evidence of that than you do of "why" Stow got stomped.
Liar.

There is no excusing what they did. I also have no idea how Stow was acting.

What I did say is that it's stupid to act like a horse's backside at a stadium while wearing the visiting team's colors. That will get you in trouble (and no, that's not OK either) in a great many places and not simply LA.

Excelsior
06-11-2011, 1:12 AM
I live in NorCal and have been to stadiums for games all over the country, including Dodger Stadium on more than a few occasions, Anaheim and San Diego. The fact that the stadium is in Echo Park means nothing.

I have seen, over the years, an increase in the number of thuggish and boorish types in the stands at Dodger Stadium. The beat down of Mr. Stow may be singular in your mind, but the fact that drunks being idiots were allowed to act out largely unabated by security for years is fairly well known and reported.

But let's see what others have reported. (http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/04/08/11/Dodgers-and-LAPD-release-new-security-me/landing_dodgers.html?blockID=500428)

Seems drunken outbursts are not exactly a new thing there. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/dodger-stadium-safety-review-will-examine-alcohol-sales-security-staffing-lighting-bratton-says.html)

And the problems were indeed well known according to some. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/04/is-dodger-stadium-truly-dangerous/)



Look, every ballpark has it's share of idiots. To say otherwise would be a lie. I see them at AT&T and in Oakland, although I also see them dealt with very quickly. Last Giants Dodgers game I went to in San Francisco I saw some drunken Giants fan trying to pick a fight with a couple of Dodger fans. SFPD did the right thing and hooked up the Giants fan. End of problem.

I appreciate you sticking up for your team. But the facts are pretty apparent that parts of Dodger Stadium have been uncontrolled zoos for quite a while. As far back as 2005 there were reports in the press of issues with drunkeness and fights that the Dodgers weren't really doing anything as an organization about.

Compound that with not even LEO's, which I was, can protect themselves there off duty and the problem becomes all the more clear.
I didn't notice what you claim to have noticed. People LOVE to bag on LA. It's been that way for 50 years.

I flatly reject your notion that "parts of Dodger Stadium have been uncontrolled zoos for quite a while." That's just malarkey. There is a syndrome where the guy living in Oildale or Ukiah bases his opinion on LA by watching 10 year old reruns of "COPS in South LA!" It can be seen from a long distance and it can be quite amusing.

I feel far less safe attending a 49er game at Candlestick. Hunters Point **IS** a rough place, yet me hear little about it. The biggest difference is that they didn't have the Stow attack and the continuing saga of Frank McCourt and Co. OR the envy that surround Chavez Ravine...