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Decoligny
06-08-2011, 11:48 AM
Just had a co-worker hand me an article from this mornings Antelope Valley Press.

If possible I will be attending.

I am a little concerned that Rep Knight is suggesting that individual cities should be able to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment (see bold below)

Town hall focus: Firearms, safety, budget

By ALISHA SEMCHUCK
Valley Press Staff Writer

PALMDALE - A state Assembly fill that would restrict how Californians can carry firearms is among the topics expected to highlight a town hall meeting Thursday night arranged by Assembly Steve Knight, R-Palmdale.
In addition to the discussion of Assembly Bill 144, the legislation that would ban the open carry of unloaded firearms, Knight will talk about public safety concerns in the Antelope Valley and budgetary woes plagueing the state.
Antelope Valley residents will have an opportunity to express their concerns during the informal question-and-answer session from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday at the Holiday Inn, 38630 Fifth St. West.
Knight intends to focus on what the budgetary crisis and possible passage of that firearms legislation means to California's future in general and, more specifically, how those issues impact this Valley.
The assemblyman will likely touch on the proposed release of 30,000 prisoners state-wide, resulting from an order in May by the U.S> Supreme Court intended to reduce California's overcrowded prisons, but seen as "a hughe public safety issue," according to Sarah Tyndall, a spokeswoman for Knight.
"Meeting with citizens of the high desert helps me to understand their concerns and to discuss issues important to our community and California," Knight stated in a news release.
"It is a mutually beneficial event that I enjoy holding throughout my district," the assemblyman noted.
The firearms bill is opposed by Knight.
Knight contends that AB 144 "would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution."
The assemblyman said Los Angeles officials should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation such as this bill, introduced by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Los Angeles.
Knight estimated that 99% of the open carry of weapons occurs among people in rural communities, not in Los Angeles.
"There's never been an issue with open-carry, law-abiding citizens. I've talked to the police chiefs. No police report. No crime," the assemblyman said.
Knight is also expected to discuss three Assembly bills he drafted, one which prevents properties of registered sex offenders that are single-family dwellings from being used as polling places; another which allows a member of the U.S. military to obtain a refund of tuition paid to a California university or community college if deployment forces that individual to drop classes; and the third would enable a criminal complaint to be filed within one year of the date that a hidden recording device is discovered, regardless of when a crime occurred.
At the two-hour town hall meeting, Tyndall said, the discussion will "just be hitting the tip of the iceberg with the budget and public safety topics.
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ddestruel
06-08-2011, 11:55 AM
interesting.

So in reading of his comments he's saying that local communities should be left to regulate to a certain extent how their citizens exercise their constitutional right?. In a sense saying he approves of a format where it is OC or CC, or both as the community sees fit but the system can not remove all options. Interesting that he notes/illudes to something has to be allowed to meet the constitutional benchmark but that a blanket rule accross the state does not fit

safewaysecurity
06-08-2011, 12:00 PM
I don't think that EXACTLY what he is saying. I think he saying some thing like if you're going to violate the constitution than do it in your town and don't let people in my district fall under your stupid plans. Knight drafted a shall issue CCW bill if I remember correctly so don't bash on him for that point. If Portantino thinks it effects law enforcement in his area than that should be an issue for his area not for all of California.

Decoligny
06-08-2011, 12:06 PM
I am thinking of attempting to get an opportunity to ask two questions. Not so much to point an accusing finger at Knight, but to illustrate the point that unconstitutional laws should not be acceptable at any level.

Representative Knight

In the Antelope Valley Press article about this meeting, you were reported to have stated that AB 144 would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution.

It was then reported that you stated that Los Angeles should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation.

I have two quick questions in regards to these reports.

1. In the Supreme court case Heller v. DC, the Court stated that we have the right to have a functional firearm in case of confrontation. How can an unloaded firearm be considered a functional firearm in regards to exercising the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms?

2. If making exercising a Constitutional right illegal at the State level is wrong, as in unconstitutional, how would making a law that does the exact same thing at the city level be any less unconstitutional?

Any suggestions?

Jason P
06-08-2011, 12:17 PM
I'll be there:)

Jason P
06-08-2011, 12:27 PM
I'd like to meet any Calgunners that will be attending. I don't really know many people up here after moving from Lost Angeles, it'd be nice to meet some people who aren't completely out of it:)

I'll be the redneck in the mall ninja gear and tin-foil hat...

J/K

Wherryj
06-08-2011, 1:22 PM
Just had a co-worker hand me an article from this mornings Antelope Valley Press.

If possible I will be attending.

I am a little concerned that Rep Knight is suggesting that individual cities should be able to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment (see bold below)

Town hall focus: Firearms, safety, budget

By ALISHA SEMCHUCK
Valley Press Staff Writer

PALMDALE - A state Assembly fill that would restrict how Californians can carry firearms is among the topics expected to highlight a town hall meeting Thursday night arranged by Assembly Steve Knight, R-Palmdale.
In addition to the discussion of Assembly Bill 144, the legislation that would ban the open carry of unloaded firearms, Knight will talk about public safety concerns in the Antelope Valley and budgetary woes plagueing the state.
Antelope Valley residents will have an opportunity to express their concerns during the informal question-and-answer session from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday at the Holiday Inn, 38630 Fifth St. West.
Knight intends to focus on what the budgetary crisis and possible passage of that firearms legislation means to California's future in general and, more specifically, how those issues impact this Valley.
The assemblyman will likely touch on the proposed release of 30,000 prisoners state-wide, resulting from an order in May by the U.S> Supreme Court intended to reduce California's overcrowded prisons, but seen as "a hughe public safety issue," according to Sarah Tyndall, a spokeswoman for Knight.
"Meeting with citizens of the high desert helps me to understand their concerns and to discuss issues important to our community and California," Knight stated in a news release.
"It is a mutually beneficial event that I enjoy holding throughout my district," the assemblyman noted.
The firearms bill is opposed by Knight.
Knight contends that AB 144 "would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution."
The assemblyman said Los Angeles officials should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation such as this bill, introduced by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Los Angeles.
Knight estimated that 99% of the open carry of weapons occurs among people in rural communities, not in Los Angeles.
"There's never been an issue with open-carry, law-abiding citizens. I've talked to the police chiefs. No police report. No crime," the assemblyman said.
Knight is also expected to discuss three Assembly bills he drafted, one which prevents properties of registered sex offenders that are single-family dwellings from being used as polling places; another which allows a member of the U.S. military to obtain a refund of tuition paid to a California university or community college if deployment forces that individual to drop classes; and the third would enable a criminal complaint to be filed within one year of the date that a hidden recording device is discovered, regardless of when a crime occurred.
At the two-hour town hall meeting, Tyndall said, the discussion will "just be hitting the tip of the iceberg with the budget and public safety topics.
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Knight is obviously forgetting that no one who lives outside of the major cities is worthy of any sort of consideration. You can just ask any LA/Chicago/New York/DC/SF, etc. politician.

It's an excusable lapse.

Glock22Fan
06-08-2011, 1:57 PM
A couple of questions, as I might try to attend this meeting.

First, does one typically have to register in advance in order to speak, or is it more a question of waving your hand in the air if you have a question?

Second, at these meetings, is there some sort of moderately discrete way for us to all identify each other? I'm kinda thinking a small badge that we would recognize but which would be unnoticed by the uninitiated.

I have to say, I have mixed views on what he is proposing. I like the idea that the cities should not be able to push their views on the suburbs, but don't like the idea that they could preempt state law.

Jason P
06-08-2011, 2:15 PM
IANAL, but I would think a local ordinance that is supported by Federal law could/would supercede a state law that regulates federal rights. But not vice versa.

IOW, so I don't confuse myself otherwise; If a local/county ordinance followed the spirit of the 2nd Amendment as it was intended, that would be OKAY. Even if it interpreted the state law favorably for those of us here in the AV. However, if the local/county ordinance further restricted that right, it would not be OK.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I wish I'd gone to law school, lord knows I'd have more cash than I do now:) At least on Calguns there are BS interpreters who can explain this stuff to people like me...

As to whether or not you have to register to speak, I can't imagine that is the case. Doesn't feel very town hall to me.

In regards to discrete uniforms, I'm down for Hawaiian shirts, or collegiate sports baseball caps, or neckties with cartoon characters on them. I've got a few Mickey Mouse ties I haven't worn since I started considering my career a priority:)

Jason P
06-08-2011, 2:17 PM
I don't have a badge, if I did I would have hi-caps and a gun in my IWB all the time:)

Jason P
06-09-2011, 7:53 AM
BTT. Anybody still going to this? I'll be there for sure...

Decoligny
06-09-2011, 8:12 AM
I am pretty sure that I will be attending.

mej16489
06-09-2011, 9:17 AM
I want to be there - but unfortunately a work meeting is likely going to interfere.

hill billy
06-09-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm planning on it for now.

rogervzv
06-09-2011, 12:35 PM
I don't think that EXACTLY what he is saying. I think he saying some thing like if you're going to violate the constitution than do it in your town and don't let people in my district fall under your stupid plans. Knight drafted a shall issue CCW bill if I remember correctly so don't bash on him for that point. If Portantino thinks it effects law enforcement in his area than that should be an issue for his area not for all of California.

+1. Well articulated.

Glock22Fan
06-09-2011, 2:15 PM
I should be there. Senior citizen, just over 6 ft, 280 lbs, short white hair, green t-shirt and black leather jacket should be recognizable if anyone wants to say "Hi."

Should be there about 5:45.

Jason P
06-09-2011, 2:51 PM
Blue button down short sleeve shirt, blue cargo shorts, early 30's, 5'9", brown hair/beard, weight unlisted:)

See you guys there...

Decoligny
06-09-2011, 6:09 PM
Blew out a sidewall on a tire on the 14.
Had to get a flatbed to tow it to the dealer. Pontiac Solstice, doesn't come with a spare. Have to order a new tire, 20" dueces. Gonna run me about $150.00 for just 1 new tire.
Sucks, wanted to be there.

Meplat
06-09-2011, 7:56 PM
I am thinking of attempting to get an opportunity to ask two questions. Not so much to point an accusing finger at Knight, but to illustrate the point that unconstitutional laws should not be acceptable at any level.

Representative Knight

In the Antelope Valley Press article about this meeting, you were reported to have stated that AB 144 would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution.

It was then reported that you stated that Los Angeles should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation.

I have two quick questions in regards to these reports.

1. In the Supreme court case Heller v. DC, the Court stated that we have the right to have a functional firearm in case of confrontation. How can an unloaded firearm be considered a functional firearm in regards to exercising the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms?

2. If making exercising a Constitutional right illegal at the State level is wrong, as in unconstitutional, how would making a law that does the exact same thing at the city level be any less unconstitutional?

Any suggestions?

STFU

Decoligny
06-09-2011, 9:11 PM
STFU

Wow! How many years of college did it take to learn to be so articulate?

Crawl back under your rock, troll.

Glock22Fan
06-09-2011, 9:21 PM
Well there were two of us there, Calipornya and me. We both spoke. I'm guessing about 50 people there.

Knight said he supported CCWs, so did the Sheriff's Deputy who was there, and several other people. The deputy was asked by one audience member how one should get a CCW, and the panel agreed that in L.A. it was near impossible. I got asked a similar question afterwards.

I think we said as much as we had to, any more and I think Knight would have thought it too much (overkill).

Knight said he opposed AB144, but wouldn't be drawn when I told him that the idea of cities passing their own local version was madness leading to a minefield for those wishing to exercise their rights. I got agreement, I think, that school zones were a serious problem.

Knight indicated that he was willing, some time, to offer up another bill to ease CCE issue, I'll leave it to Calipornya to give more on that.

Nobody sounded shocked or anti in any way - at least, not so that I heard.

Jason P
06-09-2011, 9:29 PM
Well there were two of us there, Calipornya and me. We both spoke.

Knight said he supported CCWs, so did the Sheriff's Deputy who was there, and several other people. The deputy was asked by one audience member how one should get a CCW, and the panel agreed that in L.A. it was near impossible. I got asked a similar question afterwards.

I think we said as much as we had to, any more and I think Knight would have thought it too much (overkill).

Nobody sounded shocked or anti in any way - at least, not so that I heard.

It was a cool vibe, I was definitely one of the youngest people there. My demographic is not helping this country, it's embarrassing. Rep. Knight seemed like a genuinely good guy, likes his guns, we talked afterwards.

Nice meeting you John, we'll have to go shooting some time.

Next time it would be cool to have more of us there, but I agree that much more CCW talk would have looked more like we were starting a revolution than asking for a solution!

Jason P
06-09-2011, 9:39 PM
Knight indicated that he was willing, some time, to offer up another bill to ease CCE issue, I'll leave it to Calipornya to give more on that.

I'm going to discuss it with him more, but I think that compromises could be made and some legislators could be steered. The reality is that we need a way to exercise our constitutional right, and California needs money.

The question is going to be how to exploit that. I would submit that anybody from CGF who is more expert in these matters should let me know if they would be willing to help come up with a strategy of some sort. The more options we can give our champions to successfully represent us, the better our chances at victory.

Meplat
06-13-2011, 9:49 PM
Wow! How many years of college did it take to learn to be so articulate?

DUH............... Must have been about 37. The longer you go the dumber you get.

I honestly have no clue how that happened. Normally I would only give that reply to questions like; "What do I do if a cop stops me and I have a dead hooker in my trunk?" Totally out of context, and out of character for me. The only thing I can think of is that I must have thought I was answering someone asking about talking to LE, and clicked on your post by mistake.

You have my sincere, unmitigated apology.

Crawl back under your rock, troll. [/QUOTE]

I had that coming. :o

Decoligny
06-13-2011, 10:21 PM
DUH............... Must have been about 37. The longer you go the dumber you get.

I honestly have no clue how that happened. Normally I would only give that reply to questions like; "What do I do if a cop stops me and I have a dead hooker in my trunk?" Totally out of context, and out of character for me. The only thing I can think of is that I must have thought I was answering someone asking about talking to LE, and clicked on your post by mistake.

You have my sincere, unmitigated apology.

Crawl back under your rock, troll.

I had that coming. :o[/QUOTE]

No harm done. Apology graciously accepted.

dmeiners
06-13-2011, 10:33 PM
bummer. did not know this was going on, would have liked to have attended.

if anyone is interested in seeing Knights statements referenced above you can do so here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJStc8dwe28&t=468

The Shadow
06-13-2011, 10:43 PM
AB144 will be their undoing. I say let them pass it, and then let the games begin.

I'm sure Chuck, Alan, and Don, will enjoy the paydays post AB 144. Did I leave anyone out ?