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Huevos Machaca
12-15-2006, 8:30 PM
Howdy, found this site by way of ARF.com, which I probably wandered into off a Garand forum.

So I read up on OLL's and may pick one up to put in the safe. But I doubt I'll build it until The Man issues definitive guidance on them to LEO's. Yeah, I've read the threads, I agree they're legal with a MM or Prince50, but the potential hassle factor is too great for me at this point in life. Just being honest.

But, I would like an AR style rifle and I've lusted after FAL's for years. Anyone have feedback on the DSA CA legal FAL? Did they get it blessed by DOJ? If I move to a free state, is it convertible back to the way FN intended? I know DSA receivers are the shizzle(and priced accordingly) and I wouldn't want to buy another in a free state. Plus it would be nice to convert to CA legal configuration when visiting.

On the CA Carbon Bushmasters, similar questions. Is everything the same as regular milspec? I realize the upper is carbon and didn't have a forward assist, but what about everything else? Again, if I move to a free state, can the trigger assy, upper, grip, stock, etc be transferred to a mil spec aluminum lower without any machining?

Thanks.

hoffmang
12-15-2006, 9:00 PM
Big Eggs,

Build them man! The only thing DOJ doesn't seem to like is pinned magazine, so buy yourself an upper with no flash hider, and A2 stock, and a Monsterman and enjoy owning an AR-15 "style" California rifle.

-Gene

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 9:42 PM
Do cops seem to know the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider? Whats the chance that a cop is going to see a muzzle break and think its a flash hider?
Its hard to say. If they are confused you can try to explain it to them like this.

A flash suppressor's diameter will be larger than the caliber of the barrel. A muzzle brake will be close in diameter to that of the caliber.

The larger opening for the FH allows the gases to expand and burn inside the FH reducing the flash.

Flash hider:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/blkA4alb/YHM-28.jpg

Muzzle brake:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/blkA4alb/YHM-28-5M1.jpg

Richieboy
12-15-2006, 9:45 PM
Do cops seem to know the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider? Whats the chance that a cop is going to see a muzzle break and think its a flash hider?

If you are worried about it just keep the label(or tag or paper) that came with the brake with the rifle. That way there's quick identification on hand if problems arise.

hoffmang
12-15-2006, 9:51 PM
No cop will arrest you for a muzzle break versus a flash hider. He'll arrest you because he doesn't understand the law, but instead of having the charges dropped - if you have a flash hider - you'll actually be prosecuted.

-Gene

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 9:52 PM
Am I all mixed up, or wasn't there some CA law stating that rifles had to have muzzle brakes to make them more safe or something?
You're just all mixed up ;) . Having bare threads on a rifle is just as legal as having a muzzle brake.

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 9:58 PM
Hum, maybe I shouldn't have ordered that muzzle brake.... do regular brick-and-mortar FFLs sell thread protectors?
Doubtful, just check Midway or Brownells, they have 'em.

Here's one.. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=469030 .

Jason762
12-15-2006, 10:05 PM
What if it has a flashhider permanently attached? Is it legal then?

EDIT:

Nevermind, question answered here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=44235

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 10:08 PM
What if it has a flashhider permanently attached? Is it legal then?

EDIT:

Nevermind, question answered here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=44235
No, not on a centerfire, semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine.

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 10:11 PM
Only if you have a properly fixed magazine. And by the way, it seems the DOJ is prosecuting people who don't weld, rivet, fuse and seal their magazines.
No, they are not. All the people that have been arrested with OLLs have had the charges dropped.

The DOJ's new "memo" is just another opinion and is not law.

blkA4alb
12-15-2006, 10:34 PM
I highly recommend getting a bore guide made by JP Enterprises and a Dewey cleaning rod. But thats just me.

Huevos Machaca
12-16-2006, 7:23 AM
Sooo, back on topic, any feedback on the Bushy Carbon w/ the sealed mag well and the DSA CA FAL? How about the Fab10- are all the parts except the hokey CA specific parts same as mil spec (dimensionally anyway)?

hoffmang
12-16-2006, 12:38 PM
They are mostly mil-spec, but you'll be a lot happier over the long term if you just buy a STAG, CMMG, Mega, Lauer, etc lower and either pin the magazine and add features or go featureless with a U-15 stock or a Monsterman Grip.

There are going to be new technological and legal advances next year that will allow you even more flexibility if you already have a truly mil-spec lower.

-Gene