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unusedusername
06-07-2011, 9:57 AM
I'm in the jury duty waiting room on my iPad, and I've got to use my VPN connection to get around a block on the calguns domain here at the courthouse :eek:

Now that the 2nd is a civil right, is it appropriate for a courthouse to block a website that supports the 2nd in a way that is changing laws through the courts?

This domain is blocked.
Site blocked. www.calguns.net is not allowed on this network.
This site was categorized in: Weapons
Contact your network administrator


Is this block something I should talk to them about, or should the "right people" contact them, or am I just crazy and blocking calguns is perfectly legit from a court's wifi...

thedrickel
06-07-2011, 10:03 AM
Worked fine last year when I was in the jury duty waiting room, even on the county's computers.

SJgunguy24
06-07-2011, 10:06 AM
Is that a public wifi access point? Try a porn sight or ARfcom, Saiga 12 forum, or even calguns.org. They don't block porn sights at the library do to 1st amendment issues, they shouldn't block CGN for the same reasons.

scarville
06-07-2011, 10:09 AM
I think the are using Websense which is CYA for large budgets. My experience is that most organizations just download and use the Websense data file without much oversight. You can complain but don't be too hurt if they don't do anything positive.

WatsonGravy
06-07-2011, 10:11 AM
Calguns is also blocked where I work due to the word "weapons". And my iPhone doesn't get that great of reception 10 miles offshore haha. So I'm very limited on my calguns when at work.

Ripon83
06-07-2011, 10:12 AM
If its the same system the employees are on they can block just about anything they want? But in the same essence you shouldn't be able to see ebay or many other various sites either...

unusedusername
06-07-2011, 10:16 AM
Access point is called "court-public" and makes you agree to follow county rules before you can use it...

Arfcom is blocked
Calguns.org is not blocked
saiga-12 forum is not blocked

Looks random to me...

My employer also blocks some sites and uses the same software.

The point is not that an employer can block calguns, that is perfectly legit, but if a government agency can restrict access to content available to the public based on if they "like it" or not (1st ammendment issues...)

Anyways I think I'm about to be called in and if this is is getting dealt with it will happen *after* my jury service.

I doubt the court clerk will know anything about the IT networks the county uses and I don't want to waste her time.

Ubermcoupe
06-07-2011, 10:32 AM
try using a secure connection via "https://www. ______ .com". Gets me around certain firewalls.

yellowfin
06-07-2011, 12:02 PM
Try Anonymizer.com. Friends of mine used to use that back in the day to get around firewall problems like that.

nick
06-07-2011, 12:16 PM
I think the are using Websense which is CYA for large budgets. My experience is that most organizations just download and use the Websense data file without much oversight. You can complain but don't be too hurt if they don't do anything positive.

Most likely, that or Ironport (Cisco is moving towards Ironport now that they bought it). When I deployed Ironports, Calguns was blocked by default, it has the word "gun" in the URL. I ended up removing that whole category from monitoring, the gunnies at work were upset.

Curtis
06-07-2011, 12:29 PM
I get the same exact message from my city's free wifi. I need to send them an e-mail. When I get this message I always check the Brady site...and it always comes up.

Anchors
06-07-2011, 1:50 PM
I think the are using Websense which is CYA for large budgets. My experience is that most organizations just download and use the Websense data file without much oversight. You can complain but don't be too hurt if they don't do anything positive.

This^

My employer's computers use WebSense and it blocks CalGuns as "weapons" too.
It even has a filter called "Tasteless" lol seriously? How arbitrary is the term tasteless?

My employer also has a history of being anti-gun though, so it wouldn't surprise me if they specifically had that category filtered.

nick
06-07-2011, 2:58 PM
This^

My employer's computers use WebSense and it blocks CalGuns as "weapons" too.
It even has a filter called "Tasteless" lol seriously? How arbitrary is the term tasteless?

My employer also has a history of being anti-gun though, so it wouldn't surprise me if they specifically had that category filtered.

That would explain it. Have you ever been to OT here? :p

unusedusername
06-07-2011, 4:36 PM
I'm off from duty now for another year.

I guess this is not really all that important to spend time on, considering it's the county IT people that didn't properly vet their blocklist. It would probably be way more work to try and fix this then it is worth.

Anchors
06-07-2011, 5:27 PM
That would explain it. Have you ever been to OT here? :p

Best post in this thread haha.

I've been trying to stay away as much as possible lately. It has a way of sucking you in though.

CalGuns was unblocked for like a week at work while they switched to WebSense and now it is filtered as "Weapons", but I can watch girls makeout on youtube or even go to Henderson Defense's website and order an AK haha for some reason it isn't blocked.

I wish CalGuns had slipped through the cracks on that site. I read it on my phone at work, but I can't reply from my crappy phone.

nick
06-07-2011, 9:10 PM
I'm off from duty now for another year.

I guess this is not really all that important to spend time on, considering it's the county IT people that didn't properly vet their blocklist. It would probably be way more work to try and fix this then it is worth.

The County's IT people likely do it based on the policy set by the powers that be, not based on their own preferences.

MasterYong
06-07-2011, 9:25 PM
Rofl

1. Why do u care???
2. Its probably automatic: gateway set to block "violent" words like guns.

Srsly. Who complains about a public gateway blocking a site they like? Not everything is a sadistic violation of your rights.

QQQ
06-07-2011, 9:41 PM
It shouldn't block web sites with the word "gun" since there may be a lawyer or defendant looking up information about gun laws.

Dreaded Claymore
06-07-2011, 10:37 PM
Is that a public wifi access point? Try a porn sight or ARfcom, Saiga 12 forum, or even calguns.org. They don't block porn sights at the library do to 1st amendment issues, they shouldn't block CGN for the same reasons.

Wow. Which library are you talking about? Here in Livermore you cannot surf porn at the library.

jl123
06-08-2011, 4:39 AM
Wow. Which library are you talking about? Here in Livermore you cannot surf porn at the library.

The fact that you know this is a little scary.

Wherryj
06-08-2011, 8:47 AM
I get the same exact message from my city's free wifi. I need to send them an e-mail. When I get this message I always check the Brady site...and it always comes up.

Interesting, the Brady header is "The Brady Campaign to end gun violence". Shouldn't that use of the word gun be blocked as well? Or is the government taking a side against the second amendment?

QQQ
06-09-2011, 12:48 AM
Wow. Which library are you talking about? Here in Livermore you cannot surf porn at the library.

Bummer. I mean, what else are libraries good for, anyways?

rp55
06-09-2011, 10:46 AM
Most of those blockers run off the domain name. Many times you can get around it simply by going to the IP number. Besides that reason, you should always save an IP number bookmark for any site you consider critical. Remember when Egypt "took down the Internet?" They didn't take down the Internet they simply turned off DNS, although that does indeed shut it off for most of the masses. Here's how you bookmark Calguns: http://64.27.19.170

bwiese
06-09-2011, 10:53 AM
I think this situation is far less intentional-by-the-court than just their IT group using default settings.

It might get a tad interesting if a lawyer were in the court and needed access to CG links/info for his daily workflow, but usually that prep is done in office, or he'd be using 3G anyway...

doubledgarage
06-09-2011, 6:51 PM
Is that a public wifi access point? Try a porn sight or ARfcom, Saiga 12 forum, or even calguns.org. They don't block porn sights at the library do to 1st amendment issues, they shouldn't block CGN for the same reasons.

Wow. Which library are you talking about? Here in Livermore you cannot surf porn at the library.

I'm one of the sysadmins at the Glendale Public Library. I been working there forever (like 10 years or so). When we first started offering computers to library patrons, porn (and anything) was allowed. After the City of Glendale put the entire network (including the library) on a filter, the public network became filtered as well.

Soo.... Every so often, we get some debate on this policy but yeah.

doubledgarage
06-09-2011, 6:52 PM
fyi, SSH tunneling is your best friend. :)

scarville
06-09-2011, 7:57 PM
fyi, SSH tunneling is your best friend. :)
+1

Once on the inside of a network that allows any kind of outbound connection there is very little that can be done to stop a knowledgable user from getting anywhere.

curtisfong
06-09-2011, 7:59 PM
+1

+2!

Ubermcoupe
06-09-2011, 8:14 PM
fyi, SSH tunneling is your best friend. :)

Tried to look that up but I am dumb... :(

Steve1968LS2
06-09-2011, 8:31 PM
My wife's hospital (saint Jude) blocked Calguns as well on their wifi..

scarville
06-09-2011, 8:32 PM
Tried to look that up but I am dumb... :(
Good place to start.
https://www.cotse.net/ssh.html

I have my own secure shell server and I still use COTSE quite a bit.

chead
06-09-2011, 8:42 PM
It's probably blocking by name and cached content for "gun", "firearm", etc.

Anchors
06-09-2011, 11:22 PM
fyi, SSH tunneling is your best friend. :)

+1

Once on the inside of a network that allows any kind of outbound connection there is very little that can be done to stop a knowledgable user from getting anywhere.

I need to learn more about this...

Is Putty downloaded on the computer you're using or a host like your home PC?