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redrex
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Numbers matching, older (how old?), 16 gauge, 29.5" barrel, hammerless w/double triggers. The stock is very slim and short.

The name on the tag said "fabrication soignee". It's French and translates to something like "quality workmanship".

30 or so pics can be found at this HERE (http://picasaweb.google.com/tekrex/16ga#)

But here are some pics for those who two tired to click...



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http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HbB_QWWy6y4/TfqIr7FMQSI/AAAAAAAAPFU/W-ECS6QQneM/s1152/IMG_1160.JPG

http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fAUrAtkWo9c/TfqI6-Io6kI/AAAAAAAAPGM/TmywnP7XNv8/s800/IMG_1174.JPG

http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PbhqN95tGEY/TfqJIIQbVDI/AAAAAAAAPHI/nnzO8mKarJI/s800/IMG_1191.JPG

I was surprised to find that it came with a case!
http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PbhqN95tGEY/TfqJIIQbVDI/AAAAAAAAPHI/nnzO8mKarJI/s800/IMG_1191.JPG

forgiven
06-06-2011, 11:29 PM
gonna need more info

POWG
06-07-2011, 6:24 AM
Including a picture is also helpful.

Mike A
06-07-2011, 7:06 AM
As always, carefully pull the forend when you get it and make clear pictures of the water table (top of reciever that mates with bottom of barrels) and the flats of the barrels that mate with the water table). There will be codes and measurements there that identify at least the aprox. date of proof and the barrel makers, and may well identify the maker and/or retailer.

French language (Belgian and French) guns are often tricky to identify because of their system of manufacture which sourced parts from many shops and then finished them to order for a retailer. Sometimes the retailer was actually American or German or English, which further complicates things. But if you ask your question and post pix of the codes and other markings somebody here or at www.doublegunshop.com/BBS should be able to decode the manufacturing details.

It's easier now that the gunmakers are mainly consolidated into a very few huge corporations. But NOT better.

redrex
06-16-2011, 3:06 PM
And now with visual goodness.

So if you can, please help me identify my 16ga find, I would greatly appreciate any help :)

Markings that I have been able to make out:

R P 5709

Crown with branches St. Etenne chamber of commerce markings

16.0

Choke Recth (rectifle?) A couillard

65

J * B

acier comprime superieur

SpApour pouore pyroxylee

Fabrication Soignee

Au Point Garante

mjsweims
06-16-2011, 8:23 PM
The J * B stands for Jean Breuil, the maker of the barrels.
Sp pour podre pyroxylee means it is proofed for smokless powder.
The crown with branches and PT below also means it was proofed for smokless powder.
The R P may indicate the assembler (gunmaker). Independent French "handmakers" did not always identify their guns conspicuously.
That's about all I can figure out.

redrex
06-16-2011, 10:16 PM
The J * B stands for Jean Breuil, the maker of the barrels.
Sp pour podre pyroxylee means it is proofed for smokless powder.
The crown with branches and PT below also means it was proofed for smokless powder.
The R P may indicate the assembler (gunmaker). Independent French "handmakers" did not always identify their guns conspicuously.
That's about all I can figure out.

WOW, thank you.

Thefeeder
06-16-2011, 11:09 PM
The 65 stands for 65mm chambers....2 9/16"....do not shoot 2 3/4" shells in this gun.

Pm'ed you some info outlets......from the pics it seems to be a good quality boxlock....you may have something here.

hcbr
06-17-2011, 12:29 PM
nice looking sxs

redrex
06-17-2011, 1:38 PM
nice looking sxs

Thanks but I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to part with it.

Thanks to TheFeeder, and his damn skeet n greet. I'm now totally hooked. But I don't have a decent skeet gun or the funds for one. And with kid #3 on the way I doubt if the funds will show up any time soon :)

It's a hard call. I love this gun. Let me put it to you like this. I picked up a Saiga AK in .223 at the same time. My first gun of this type and I have barely touched it as I'm constantly handling the SxS. There is just something about it that speaks to me. Ugh.

Oh and Lou, good news. I called the guy you recommended and he looked over the gun. He said that is was you basic St. Etinne guild gun. That they go for between $200 and $1,600. And he would put this one one the high side of average due to it being 16 gauge, Pre WWII and, tight with good steel (J*B barrels) and having the case (as rough as it is).