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SemiAutoSam
12-14-2006, 02:16 PM
http://maxine-log.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_maxine-log_archive.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-05-09-penny-usat_x.htm

This article did not come from the link above but I wanted to locate a source for it to back up my words. I have been saving about 200 lbs of pennies and had planned to do just this.


WASHINGTON - Given rising metal prices, the pennies and nickels in your pocket
are worth more melted down than their face value — and that has the
government worried.


U.S. Mint officials said Wednesday they were putting into place rules
prohibiting the melting down of 1-cent and 5-cent coins. The rules also limit
the number of coins that can be shipped out of the country.

"We are taking this action because the nation needs its coinage for commerce.
We don't want to see our pennies and nickels melted down so a few individuals
can take advantage of the American taxpayer," Mint Director Edmund Moy said in
a statement.

Officials said they had received a number of inquiries from the public in
recent months concerning the value of the metal in the coins and whether it was
legal to melt them.

The new regulations prohibit the melting of 1-cent and 5-cent coins, with a
penalty of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000 for people
convicted of violating the rule.

The rules also require that shipments of the coins out of the country be for
legitimate coinage and numismatic purposes and cap the size of any one shipment
to $100 worth of the coins.

Because of the prevailing prices of copper, zinc and nickel, the cost of
producing pennies and nickels exceeds the face value of the coins.

A nickel is 25 percent nickel and 75 percent copper. The metal in one coin
costs 6.99 cents for each 5-cent coin. When the Mint's cost of producing the
coins is added, the total cost for each nickel is 8.34 cents.

Modern pennies have 2.5 percent copper content with zinc making up the rest of
the coin. The current copper and zinc in a penny are worth 1.12 cents. The cost
of production drives the cost of each penny up to 1.73 cents.

Pennies made before 1982, which are still in circulation, would be even more
lucrative to melt down because they contain 95 percent copper and only 5
percent zinc. The metal value in those coins is 2.13 cents per coin, Mint
officials said.

The new regulations are being published in the Federal Register and will go
into effect as interim rules which will not become final until the government
has a chance to consider possible modifications based on public comments.

On the Net:

U.S. Mint: http://www.usmint.gov

hoffmang
12-14-2006, 02:37 PM
Hurry Sam and start melting. The new regulations haven't been published long enough in the Federal Register to be active yet. :D

-Gene

NeoWeird
12-14-2006, 03:06 PM
There was a local guy that got busted for this a while ago. I believe they nicked him with defacing government property or something like that. I heard he got caught when the recycling place notified authorities that he was coming in on a regular basis with metals to recycle and thought it might be theft. The authorities looked into it and apparently he ran a Coin-star type of business and was requesting large lots of pennies from his bank on a regular basis with the penny trails ending with him and not going anywhere.

Go figure.

SemiAutoSam
12-14-2006, 03:11 PM
The only thing that was missing in my PLAN was how would I separate the ZINC from the COPPER pennies in bulk.

And don't say well the date that would be too many pennies to use my OLD eyeballs on I mean we are talking about 200-400 LBS of pennies.

blacklisted
12-14-2006, 03:22 PM
The only thing that was missing in my PLAN was how would I separate the ZINC from the COPPER pennies in bulk.

And don't say well the date that would be too many pennies to use my OLD eyeballs on I mean we are talking about 200-400 LBS of pennies.

If you were to submerge Copper coated Zinc pennies in Hydrochloric Acid (Muriatic acid, available with pool supplies), the zinc would dissolve and precipitate as Zinc Chloride leaving the copper behind (as well as producing Hydrogen gas). At least I think this is what would happen...

grammaton76
12-14-2006, 03:23 PM
The only thing that was missing in my PLAN was how would I separate the ZINC from the COPPER pennies in bulk.

And don't say well the date that would be too many pennies to use my OLD eyeballs on I mean we are talking about 200-400 LBS of pennies.

If the weight of the one set of pennies is greater than the other, you should be able to use a centrifuge...

SemiAutoSam
12-14-2006, 03:29 PM
I felt profit would be better served with a non destructive method.
as the zinc pennies are still worth more in their weight than face value.





If you were to submerge Copper coated Zinc pennies in Hydrochloric Acid (Muriatic acid, available with pool supplies), the zinc would dissolve and precipitate as Zinc Chloride leaving the copper behind (as well as producing Hydrogen gas).

sierratangofoxtrotunion
12-14-2006, 06:39 PM
The only thing that was missing in my PLAN was how would I separate the ZINC from the COPPER pennies in bulk.

And don't say well the date that would be too many pennies to use my OLD eyeballs on I mean we are talking about 200-400 LBS of pennies.
I'm pretty sure they weigh a little different. I've had trouble with older coins not working in vending machines, for instance. The way to sort them would be by their weight, but putting each and every one on your reloading scale isn't efficient enough for me. Need some other Rube Goldberg contraption. I'm confident it can be done tho.