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Ahhnother8
06-02-2011, 1:35 PM
Sac Valley Shooting Center - June 11th (Saturday) & 12th (Sunday) - 200, 300, and 600 yard match

Standing - 2 sighters and 20 record shots at 200 yards in 22 minutes.

Sitting rapid fire - 2 sighters in 2 minutes, then 10 shots in 60 seconds with a required mag change. Then another 10 shots in 60 seconds, all at 200 yards.

Prone radid fire - 2 sighters in 2 minutes, then 10 shots in 70 seconds with a required mag change. Then another 10 shots in 70 seconds, all at 300 yards.

Prone slow fire - 2 sighters and 20 record shots at 600 yards in 22 minutes.

Many of us will be shooting AR Service Rifles (think Vietnam M16 configuration).

The good news is that anyone who is interested may shoot the entire match prone with a bipod, rear rest, and scope. With this setup, it will be a VERY easy match. All types of equipment are allowed (bipods, scopes, irons, rear bags), and will be classed accordingly for awards. Match fee - $20. Each day is a separate match, many will come to both.

If interested, simply show up at Culbertson Cove (the building/camping area below the 1000 yard line) between 7:00-7:30 am. O'Connell will be doing squadding right there. It is a semi-informal match, with a chance to learn a lot about the range. Just show up with a 100 or 200 yard zero. There will be plenty of help with comeups from there. We typically have a BBQ immediately after the match. Hamburger or hotdog and chips and drink for $2.

Lane

***WARNING*** Thick skin may be required to participate in this thread. ***WARNING***

mag360
06-02-2011, 1:55 PM
can you go either day or is it a 2day match?

killshot44
06-02-2011, 2:08 PM
can you go either day or is it a 2day match?

Each match is scored separately, no aggregate, so you can shoot either day or both.

The good news is that anyone who is interested may shoot the entire match prone with a bipod, rear rest, and scope. With this setup, it will be a VERY easy match. All types of equipment are allowed (bipods, scopes, irons, rear bags), and will be classed accordingly for awards.

This is worth repeating, the Match Director including participants who want to shoot "F-class" style (all prone) is a very Big Deal.
Get your ammo loaded up this week/next week and come out and shoot!

247Nino
06-02-2011, 4:23 PM
Yes they will and this sounds very interesting.
What sucks is that I rarely get out to shoot.

Hump0311
06-02-2011, 4:31 PM
Is there any snap in or zeroing time before the comp starts?

I'm assuming that the line goes hot at 0800 or there abouts.

I have a unfired rifle I would like to test out.

BrianRodela
06-02-2011, 5:12 PM
Heavier ammunition is recommended for the greater distances (65 to 77 grain). With a good setup, the X ring doesn't stand a chance (as long as you do your part!)

The Soup Nazi
06-02-2011, 5:22 PM
Easily doable. Drat. I wish I could be there to compete.

mattt
06-02-2011, 5:28 PM
223 Out to 600 yards is a urban legend.Cant be done

Ahhnother8
06-02-2011, 5:42 PM
223 Out to 600 yards is a urban legend.Cant be done

That's what I thought...

dwtt
06-02-2011, 5:47 PM
223 Out to 600 yards is a urban legend.Cant be done

That's what I thought...

Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.

707electrician
06-02-2011, 5:49 PM
Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.

I think that was sarcasm

wooger
06-02-2011, 6:18 PM
Yup, those two idiots know nothing about 600 yard shooting.

mattt
06-02-2011, 6:19 PM
Well that is the last time I,ll listen to Lane! Thanks dwtt :)

wooger
06-02-2011, 6:20 PM
However, they do OK at 800,900,and 1000. :)

Lead-Thrower
06-02-2011, 6:22 PM
Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.

Whoah, back up there. Its called sarcasm man... I know for a fact that these two are NOT idiots, and they definitely know what they are doing when it comes to this stuff.

Some people need to chill out... geez.

wizdumb
06-02-2011, 6:35 PM
Oh man, this sounds like fun!

707electrician
06-02-2011, 6:59 PM
Lets say someone wants to shoot "F-class style" is there still a required mag change? Im guessing yes.

In other words; could you use a bolt rifle in this match without a mag

LovingTheYear1911
06-02-2011, 7:02 PM
Can I bring my M4 .22 rimfire? That will do 600+ yards!

mattt
06-02-2011, 7:15 PM
707 I dont think you would get off all the rounds in rapid fire but in slow course no problem. I shot my bolt on the slow part and my m1a on rapid in the april RMC match . Every time you go out there you learn something and get better.

Pthfndr
06-02-2011, 8:08 PM
Lets say someone wants to shoot "F-class style" is there still a required mag change? Im guessing yes.

In other words; could you use a bolt rifle in this match without a mag

At the April match (the first time they ran the F class in the XC COF), everyone did the reload.While Jim did say the F-ers could do what they wanted, to keep in the spirit of things I think everyone should shoot it with the reload. If your bolt gun is a single shot, or only holds 4-5 rounds, you could just push feed the additional rounds. With proper timing you could probably still get them all off. You have 6 seconds per round to do it.

And before you say it can't be done, at one of our tactical bolt rifle matches we had a timed exposure stage. When the targets came up you had 6 seconds to get off TWO rounds. Lane did it with his Palma rifle. A single shot with an extractor but no ejector.

rexbo47
06-02-2011, 8:12 PM
223 Out to 600 yards is a urban legend.Cant be done


Yes it can.

We did it at Ft. Bragg in the late 60's

rexbo47
06-02-2011, 8:12 PM
Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.


Or Airborne.

giants_fan24
06-02-2011, 8:28 PM
Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.

I totally agree if I could hit a half man target at 500m with an old wore out M16 that had who knows how many rounds thru it and me having only over a week of shooting experience back then, just think what I could do with some of the nicer AR15 with high end parts made for distance. A Marine with a rifle is a beautiful thing.

wizdumb
06-02-2011, 8:35 PM
Is steel core ammo permitted? I think that might be the heaviest round I have on hand.

I'll have to see what sort of 5.56 I have that isn't 55gr or Wolf.

Pthfndr
06-02-2011, 8:43 PM
Is steel core ammo permitted? I think that might be the heaviest round I have on hand.

I'll have to see what sort of 5.56 I have that isn't 55gr or Wolf.

As long as it is not actual AP ammo, or tracer/incendiary, you will be ok.

Pthfndr
06-02-2011, 8:48 PM
I just know Ahhnother8 is sitting at his computer laughing his ***** off at all the bunched up panties here.

For those who don't actually know him or know who he is, I would bet money that he has sent more .223 rounds down range from 600 to 1000 yards than the everyone else on this forum combined.

707electrician
06-02-2011, 9:05 PM
Im going to look for some ammo for my AR for this match. What do you guys recommend for a 16" 1:9 twist?

wizdumb
06-02-2011, 9:07 PM
As long as it is not actual AP ammo, or tracer/incendiary, you will be ok.

How can I tell? I believe it's Federal green tip ammo. Maybe it says on the box? Down to the garage I go...

tacticalcity
06-02-2011, 9:13 PM
It can if you can. It is a lot easier to do with a .308.

NRAhighpowershooter
06-02-2011, 9:16 PM
Heavier ammunition is recommended for the greater distances (65 to 77 grain). With a good setup, the X ring doesn't stand a chance (as long as you do your part!)

actually for 600yds you'd be better off using 24.5gr Varget and a 80gr Sierra MatchKing seated about 0.020" off the lands..

707electrician
06-02-2011, 9:32 PM
Should I try some 69gr SMK's or is that too heavy for a 1:9?

G1500
06-02-2011, 10:59 PM
Can I bring my M4 .22 rimfire? That will do 600+ yards!

Up to a mile!

;)

17+1
06-03-2011, 8:47 AM
Hope to make the vintage long range rifle match on the 25th. Anyone else going to be at the mil-surp silhouette match on the 18th?

BrianRodela
06-03-2011, 9:10 AM
actually for 600yds you'd be better off using 24.5gr Varget and a 80gr Sierra MatchKing seated about 0.020" off the lands..
Very true, however being new to the sport, will it still load in a magazine or better off with a bolt rifle?

Ahhnother8
06-03-2011, 10:25 AM
I just know Ahhnother8 is sitting at his computer laughing his ***** off at all the bunched up panties here.

You nailed that!! :p My wife was also amused. I love this place.


Spoken like true idiots...

That may be true, but let's settle it at the 600 yard line. Or the 800 or 900 or 1000 yard line. ;)


This is an easy and fun match. I hope everyone will load up some ammo and come on out and shoot.

RMTactical
06-03-2011, 10:55 AM
Yep, it can certainly do the job out to that range. That is near the end of it's range though. However, different bullets and optics can make some small differences...

HK Dave
06-03-2011, 12:45 PM
That's what I thought...

I shoot 600 yard steel plates with a 14.5" and 16" ar15 on a normal basis. :P I assure you, it works just fine, and still hits pretty hard.

killshot44
06-03-2011, 1:01 PM
That is near the end of it's range though. However, different bullets and optics can make some small differences...

Shoot more and blog less. There's a good reason 600 yards is called Mid-range. 1K is no problem for a .223.

In fact "Laurie" just tied a 1K record in the F/TR class (.223 and .308 only):http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/05/223-remington-shooter-equals-gb-1000-yard-f-tr-record

Like Lane said, come out next weekend and see/shoot for yourself.

mattt
06-03-2011, 7:01 PM
Does anyone read the entire thread before posting? Of course lane knows you can shoot a 223 to 600 .He started this thread informing people of an upcoming 600 yard rmc /223 match. Very funny:cheers2:

RMTactical
06-03-2011, 8:03 PM
Shoot more and blog less.

:rolleyes:

Kind of an ignorant statement.

Hitting stationary paper/steel at 600 yards is easy.

I'm talking effective terminal ballistics. It's not a ray gun at that range. If you follow my blog you will see I don't post all that often. I shoot thousands of rounds a year. I use to shoot more though.

Pthfndr
06-03-2011, 8:04 PM
Hope to make the vintage long range rifle match on the 25th. Anyone else going to be at the mil-surp silhouette match on the 18th?

I will :)

wooger
06-03-2011, 8:32 PM
:rolleyes:

Kind of an ignorant statement.

Hitting stationary paper/steel at 600 yards is easy.

I'm talking effective terminal ballistics. It's not a ray gun at that range. If you follow my blog you will see I don't post all that often. I shoot thousands of rounds a year. I use to shoot more though.

Try shooting more and posting less, it will do wonders for your outlook on the shooting sports. Thousands a year is just a meager start, and even one post could be considered too many.

dwtt
06-03-2011, 8:51 PM
Does anyone read the entire thread before posting? Of course lane knows you can shoot a 223 to 600 .He started this thread informing people of an upcoming 600 yard rmc /223 match. Very funny:cheers2:

Missed the sarcasm. Stuck foot in mouth. Tastes bad.
There's a 3 hour time difference between there and here and my biological clock is messed up. I don't shoot Hi Power any more since I sold my Colt HBAR Sporter, just IPSC. Anyway, guys, have fun.

Which Way Out
06-03-2011, 9:02 PM
I shot mine at the Moon once. Anyone willing to go there and check it for me ?;)

Just kidding of course. Not real sure how far I have shot my AR, but if I can hit a golf ball 329 Yards (Thank you very much:D) I would think a 5.56/223 could do 600 easy. I would like to try that someday.

Ahhnother8
06-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Very true, however being new to the sport, will it still load in a magazine or better off with a bolt rifle?

For the 200 and 300 yard rapid-fire stages, mag length ammo is necessary. Pretty much any bullet will work for this. You would only use the 80's at 600, which is a slow-fire stage of the match. The rules only allow the shooter to load one round at a time, so the overall length of the round does not matter. You should see how long my ammo is with a 90 grain Berger VLD. :D

RugerNo1
06-04-2011, 4:23 PM
OK, this thread was a great way to boost my spirits while working on three term papers while sick with the flu.

Hey Ahhnother8, I will never go fishing with you because I have seen the bait you have used over the years and the results are always incredible. Good stuff! :D

This was my favorite statement:

Hitting stationary paper/steel at 600 yards is easy.

I'm talking effective terminal ballistics.

Lets give him irons on the 600 line with poor light, switchy winds, and no artificial support while shooting for score.

RMTactical
06-04-2011, 6:08 PM
Lets give him irons on the 600 line with poor light, switchy winds, and no artificial support while shooting for score.

Why end there?

Shooting at a range is never going to accurately simulate combat conditions. It's just for fun.

RugerNo1
06-04-2011, 6:23 PM
And, in no way is this thread regarding a simulation of combat...

I would say that, ignoring all the SHTF talk, this whole forum is about "fun" shooting.

Who said we were trying to play war?

BigBamBoo
06-04-2011, 6:24 PM
............

mlevans66
06-04-2011, 7:10 PM
Im going to look for some ammo for my AR for this match. What do you guys recommend for a 16" 1:9 twist?

For that far out you're going to need a 1:7/8 twist with a heavier grain of bullet. No Marine here shot 223 55 grain out of a milspec rifle if they shot on the rifle range so we can't compare. We shot 5.56 nato green tips and they where fully hitting Echos at 500 yds. Some times we'd go to the 600 and we would still hit the black. Good luck at the comp and take pics for us to drool at. :drool5:

Cuerno_de_Chivo
06-04-2011, 7:15 PM
According to this video, ARs shoot up to 900 yards

1KuOmVqKoEk

wooger
06-04-2011, 7:33 PM
Why end there?

Shooting at a range is never going to accurately simulate combat conditions. It's just for fun.


Are you an "operator"? I thought we were discussing HP. I don't have time to blog because I have to reload sometime.

BTW what is your favorite variety of camouflage?

RMTactical
06-04-2011, 7:38 PM
Huh....well a .38spl. +P has around 270 ft. lbs. of energy with a MUZZLE velocity of around 1000fps. A lot of folks have been killed with that round.

A .223 using 77gr SMK's has around 345 ft. lbs. of energy and around 1400fps velocity (with a 2700fps muzzle velocity) AT 600 YARDS.

So I would think that if you were shot with said load at 600 yards I think it would leave a mark.

Of course. One of the reasons I mentioned loading selection. Plenty of people been killed with .22lr as well. Just sayin. No need to get huffy.

RMTactical
06-04-2011, 7:39 PM
Are you an "operator"? I thought we were discussing HP. I don't have time to blog because I have to reload sometime.

BTW what is your favorite variety of camouflage?

Sorry, have I offended you?

Flouncer
06-04-2011, 7:39 PM
I try to follow the rules, the rangemaster, and stay in the target pit when the .223 from the ARs are heading towards the targets from 600 yards. Any brave terminal ballistics guys wanna brave the wave of the Poodle poppers hail of spent projectiles ?? There is a nice supersonic CRACK you can hear right through foam inserts and outside hearing muffs as they zoom overhead.

mattt
06-04-2011, 7:52 PM
Someone told me (lane) 223 bullets bounce off the targets after 500 yards

wooger
06-04-2011, 7:58 PM
Sorry, have I offended you?

Not at all, just poking fun. Theres a lot of inside jokes in this thread and a "thick skin" advisory should be posted along with it.

wooger
06-04-2011, 8:00 PM
Someone told me (lane) 223 bullets bounce off the targets after 500 yards

This on the other hand only happens if Lane or Sean is shooting.

DocSkinner
06-04-2011, 8:12 PM
I shot mine at the Moon once. Anyone willing to go there and check it for me ?;)

Just kidding of course. Not real sure how far I have shot my AR, but if I can hit a golf ball 329 Yards (Thank you very much:D) I would think a 5.56/223 could do 600 easy. I would like to try that someday.

You pay for the ride and I'll search the hell outta the moon for ya!

Lead-Thrower
06-04-2011, 9:20 PM
I'd like to give iron sights a try in this match. Think a 16" carbine would be able to perform OK at 600 yards? Or should I leave that one in the safe and come out with the varminter?

DocSkinner
06-04-2011, 10:24 PM
I'd like to give iron sights a try in this match. Think a 16" carbine would be able to perform OK at 600 yards? Or should I leave that one in the safe and come out with the varminter?

One way to find out!

Droppin Deuces
06-04-2011, 10:36 PM
According to this video, ARs shoot up to 900 yards

1KuOmVqKoEk

I was hitting at 885 yesterday with 69gr out of a 1/8, 16" barrel. Less than 50%, but I would think I could get it to go that extra 15 and score some hits if I really, really tried.

DocSkinner
06-05-2011, 12:44 AM
And definitely in for a try when I can finagle $150 into the budget for some match grade .308s!

BigBamBoo
06-05-2011, 9:48 AM
.........

Ahhnother8
06-05-2011, 12:05 PM
Hey Ahhnother8, I will never go fishing with you because I have seen the bait you have used over the years and the results are always incredible

Inside secret: sardine with lime green back and 7 spots. Don't know why, but almost every time it results in: FISH ON, coming down.... :D

http://i52.tinypic.com/jh4rxu.jpg

J_BEEM
06-05-2011, 2:06 PM
Should I try some 69gr SMK's or is that too heavy for a 1:9?

im using 69smk's with a 1:9 twist. they shot very well for me at the last two 600 yard matches.

still waiting on my new barrel so i can shoot some heavy stuff.

NotEnufGarage
06-06-2011, 5:43 AM
223 Out to 600 yards is a urban legend.Cant be done

First off, most probably aren't shooting .223 ammo. They're shooting 5.56x45MM rounds which can be loaded to higher pressure than SAAMI spec commercial .223 loads. Second, most (if not all) will not be shooting 55gr bullets typically found in commercial .223 loads or even military 5.56 practice rounds, but heavier bullets in the 65gr - 90gr range, depending on what twist they have to their barrel. Lastly, I'd bet a fair number of the participants are loading their own ammo and have a greater degree of control and consistency on the performance of their rounds.


Most urban legends are urban legends. Speak of what you know, not of what you've heard.

NotEnufGarage
06-06-2011, 5:52 AM
Is there any snap in or zeroing time before the comp starts?

I'm assuming that the line goes hot at 0800 or there abouts.

I have a unfired rifle I would like to test out.

Same situation here. Don't have a scope set up on the AR, so I'd have to take one off another rifle and I won't have time to do more than bore sight it before the weekend.

mattt
06-06-2011, 4:44 PM
Notenough you are right I shoot 82 grain bergers out of my 30" barrel 223 savage and 69 grain out of my target mini that works out to 600 also. Why do you need a scope on your AR most dont use them in the RMC matches but you would know that.

wooger
06-06-2011, 4:56 PM
Now Mattt, speak only of which you know. You know a mini can't make 600 yards, next you will be telling me you used a daypack stuffed with old laundry as a rest.

sreiter
06-06-2011, 5:08 PM
I just know Ahhnother8 is sitting at his computer laughing his ***** off at all the bunched up panties here.

For those who don't actually know him or know who he is, I would bet money that he has sent more .223 rounds down range from 600 to 1000 yards than the everyone else on this forum combined.


not doubting you at all....with that said, biigbamboo sends an awful lot of rounds down range at those distances, for a guy not in the military

ETA: i need to stop posting until i read the whole thread. just saw his post

killshot44
06-06-2011, 5:12 PM
Now Mattt, speak only of which you know. You know a mini can't make 600 yards, next you will be telling me you used a daypack stuffed with old laundry as a rest.

He didn't use dirty laundry, that would be crude. It was full of Twinkies and Slim Jims.

I don't remember these invitation threads going full stupid until after the match.

wooger
06-06-2011, 5:17 PM
I didn't say it was "dirty", but I like the twinkies and slim jim theory.

sreiter
06-06-2011, 5:20 PM
never mind

mattt
06-06-2011, 5:26 PM
When I shot the mini It was full of clean towels and maybe a snack rapper. Used same 10$ backpack for first match I won with my savage 223 after I lost the sinclaire bipod adapter that morning. Maybe I should stick with the walmart backpack?

sreiter
06-06-2011, 5:29 PM
question about VC -

I hear what everyone is saying, and i agree. i always wondered why the corp rated 200-300 yrds as max effective range on a m16.

anyone know why the discrepancy?

Ahhnother8
06-06-2011, 6:02 PM
I lost the sinclair bipod adapter that morning

You should have asked, we always have extra parts handy. Don't be shy around the highpower crowd, we are always ready to help.

killshot44
06-06-2011, 7:02 PM
Maybe I should stick with the walmart backpack?

That's it! New class F-BP....:D

NotEnufGarage
06-07-2011, 6:34 AM
Thought I would make this one, but not to be. Nephews graduation party Sunday and Saturday is booked stuffing car show goody bags.

Maybe next time.

17+1
06-07-2011, 10:33 AM
I will :)

Nice, see you there. I am going to try out some handloads I've been working on for my M1A...it's technically not old enough for the mil-surp match, but I shoot it in open class with a walnut M14 stock and GI sights, so it's still fairly challenging.

Silhouettes are too fun. :43:

CSACANNONEER
06-07-2011, 11:00 AM
I heard that Lane will be shooting mixed head stamped brass this match. Some won't be concentric, some will be fired an unknown number of times, some will be old and brittle, etc. He's not even planning on sorting headstamps for each record target, just luck of the draw.

Someone told me (lane) 223 bullets bounce off the targets after 500 yards

I'm not sure about that but, it's possible since 50BMG bullets don't always have a 100% penetration rate at 1000 yards. This happened in a match this April at Palimino Valley:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/stuck_bullet.jpg

Droppin Deuces
06-07-2011, 12:03 PM
I heard that Lane will be shooting mixed head stamped brass this match. Some won't be concentric, some will be fired an unknown number of times, some will be old and brittle, etc. He's not even planning on sorting headstamps for each record target, just luck of the draw.



I'm not sure about that but, it's possible since 50BMG bullets don't always have a 100% penetration rate at 1000 yards. This happened in a match this April at Palimino Valley:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/stuck_bullet.jpg

Shouldn't there be grooves in the bullet left by the barrel?

CSACANNONEER
06-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Shouldn't there be grooves in the bullet left by the barrel?

Of course there were groves left on the bullet. Do you really think that a picture taken from that distance is going to show the rifling marks?

Droppin Deuces
06-07-2011, 2:34 PM
Of course there were groves left on the bullet. Do you really think that a picture taken from that distance is going to show the rifling marks?

From what distance? It looks like it was taken from a few feet away.

CSACANNONEER
06-07-2011, 2:48 PM
From what distance? It looks like it was taken from a few feet away.

I'm guessing it was taken from 4 to 5 feet away. For scale, the target is 6'x6'.

Ahhnother8
06-07-2011, 4:01 PM
I'm not sure about that but, it's possible since 50BMG bullets don't always have a 100% penetration rate at 1000 yards. This happened in a match this April at Palimino Valley:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/stuck_bullet.jpg


We see that quite a bit when the AR-15's are on the firing line. Especially when the hits are out in the 7-ring and beyond. Must be that the light colored paper is much more dense than the black middle. I am surprised that it happened up at Palomino though, as the corrected air density at that altitude typically decreases the time of flight, which will inversely affect the kinetic energy. Always learning something new...

CSACANNONEER
06-07-2011, 4:06 PM
We see that quite a bit when the AR-15's are on the firing line. Especially when the hits are out in the 7-ring and beyond. Must be that the light colored paper is much more dense than the black middle. I am surprised that it happened up at Palomino though, as the corrected air density at that altitude typically decreases the time of flight, which will inversely affect the kinetic energy. Always learning something new...

Don't overthink it. I was told that those who were present felt that the bullet had skipped off the berm and just happened to hit the target like that. There is no way that a properly loaded 50BMG round would have that little energy without hitting something else first. Hell, even the few LRT (limited range training) bullets I have fly out to 1200-1400 yards before they fall.

surfNshoot
06-07-2011, 4:17 PM
shouldn't have any problem at 600 if you don't have much wind. No wind... I can consitantly impact a 6" plate with 77gr smk's out of an 18" WOA barrel. if the wind picks up I will run into some trouble as I don't read wind to well yet. go for it!!!!

killshot44
06-07-2011, 5:25 PM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/stuck_bullet.jpg

Well, the cardbord backer is never perforated out beyond the "7"s like it is in the black....

It's so much easier to score when the bullet is sticking out like that.

Good thing this weekend is only 600yds. I hate it when my bullets bounce off - and it's always the ones in the X-ring

Look at that square white center, it mocks me..... :D

mattt
06-07-2011, 6:13 PM
There is a reason we wear hard hats for these matches . Alot of rounds hitting the paper and falling on people in the pits!

Ahhnother8
06-08-2011, 1:29 PM
Someone told me (lane) 223 bullets bounce off the targets after 500 yards

This on the other hand only happens if Lane or Sean is shooting.

Gunpowder is expensive!! You won't see me using any more than is absolutely necessary to get the bullet to the target.

J_BEEM
06-08-2011, 9:55 PM
ill be there wearing my kelvar in the pit for sure.

Spyder
06-08-2011, 11:49 PM
So is this thing an AR only shindig, or can someone show up with some sort of iron sighted .308 beast, score terribly, and have a lot of fun?

killshot44
06-09-2011, 12:47 AM
So is this thing an AR only shindig, or can someone show up with some sort of iron sighted .308 beast, score terribly, and have a lot of fun?

There should be a happy assortment, come on out. Your mindset is spot on.

killshot44
06-10-2011, 12:26 PM
Load your ammo and zero your scope. Tomorrow's weather should be perfect.

Ahhnother8
06-10-2011, 4:12 PM
Tested some loads this morning in Lincoln. Found one that should do just fine this weekend. :rolleyes:

707electrician
06-10-2011, 5:01 PM
So is this thing an AR only shindig, or can someone show up with some sort of iron sighted .308 beast, score terribly, and have a lot of fun?

Don't underestimate yourself. I went and shot the 800,900 and 1000 for the first time the last time expecting to do horribly and ended up scoring a 144-2x on the 800. Its fun either way though

killshot44
06-10-2011, 8:32 PM
Tested some loads this morning in Lincoln. Found one that should do just fine this weekend. :rolleyes:

Ruh-roh.........

Glad I'm not shooting in your category.

707electrician
06-10-2011, 8:58 PM
If you are shooting with a scope are you put in the same category as those that are shooting all prone or are there two separate categories?

DocSkinner
06-10-2011, 9:24 PM
So is this thing an AR only shindig, or can someone show up with some sort of iron sighted .308 beast, score terribly, and have a lot of fun?

Going to try and make one with my R-25 as soon as a case of match grade ammo fits in the budget.

Not fair that you can't sell your spare kidney in this country!

wizdumb
06-10-2011, 10:56 PM
I hope I can score a car to make it out to one of these matches. Driving from SF in the morning usually means leaving at the butt crack of dawn in order to make it on time.

Sometimes I wish you fellas would start the matches at a nice leisurely 10am for those of us not lucky enough to live nearby. :)

Brown Rock
06-11-2011, 12:36 AM
Spoken like true idiots who dismiss something they can't do themselves as impossible. Clearly, neither of these two were in the Marine Corps.
Whoah, back up there. Its called sarcasm man... I know for a fact that these two are NOT idiots, and they definitely know what they are doing when it comes to this stuff.

Some people need to chill out... geez.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x295/ih8suvz/seriousbusiness.jpg :yes:

Pthfndr
06-11-2011, 5:14 PM
If you are shooting with a scope are you put in the same category as those that are shooting all prone or are there two separate categories?

For this weekends matches, all scoped rifles shoot in the same class if you shoot the whole thing from the prone position. If you are shooting an AR from the regular positions, but it has a scope on it, you would not be eligible for awards since everyone else is shooting iron sights.

Pthfndr
06-11-2011, 5:15 PM
I hope I can score a car to make it out to one of these matches. Driving from SF in the morning usually means leaving at the butt crack of dawn in order to make it on time.

Sometimes I wish you fellas would start the matches at a nice leisurely 10am for those of us not lucky enough to live nearby. :)

A lot of the guys come from the bay area. I know of at least one there today who came from SF. And he's coming back again tomorrow.

Lead-Thrower
06-11-2011, 5:54 PM
Shot a match with iron sights for the first time today. Didn't do too well, but had a great time and learned ALOT about the limitations of myself and my equipment (notes for next time: secure trigger overtravel and sear engagement screws better and use heavier bullets :o).

I wish I could participate tomorrow as well, but I will be out of town. I will definitely make the next one though...

killshot44
06-11-2011, 6:05 PM
I hope I can score a car to make it out to one of these matches. Driving from SF in the morning usually means leaving at the butt crack of dawn in order to make it on time.

Sometimes I wish you fellas would start the matches at a nice leisurely 10am for those of us not lucky enough to live nearby. :)

Gotta man up and get up! (this coming from a night-owl-sleep-hog)
You don't want to be shooting on Range 12 late in the afternoon - the wind can blooooooow.

A lot of the guys come from the bay area. I know of at least one there today who came from SF. And he's coming back again tomorrow.

Yup. Considering where it is, it's pretty much 100-200 miles round-trip for anyone. Had Big Fun today. :D

707electrician
06-11-2011, 7:35 PM
For this weekends matches, all scoped rifles shoot in the same class if you shoot the whole thing from the prone position. If you are shooting an AR from the regular positions, but it has a scope on it, you would not be eligible for awards since everyone else is shooting iron sights.

Thanks, I don't care about the awards. Its likely that I wont win anyway even shooting scoped and prone against all you guys with irons. Ill just be there for fun

wizdumb
06-12-2011, 11:27 PM
Wish I could have made it (no car). I've been to the matches before, they do take quite a bit of determination to get there that early, but it's doable.

Rob, will there be another match like this next month?

phish
06-13-2011, 9:59 AM
next month is even "better" since Sunday's match is all shot at 600 yards

killshot44
06-13-2011, 12:10 PM
Wish I could have made it (no car). I've been to the matches before, they do take quite a bit of determination to get there that early, but it's doable.

Rob, will there be another match like this next month?

Yes, Saturday 7-9 is another 80-shot match at 200,300,600.

next month is even "better" since Sunday's match is all shot at 600 yards

And the next day is the 3x600yd match where we'll see Phish and his 32" Eliseo....