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cmace22
05-31-2011, 8:27 PM
I just stumbled upon this while searching for a lower with an ambi bolt catch. I always liked the Magpul designed lower but the 3K price tag was a bit out of my range. It seems as though the people at AR15.com bought the rights from Magpul for the lower. Like the folks over there or not but its a damn good looking lower. I havent seen anything on it over here yet.

Its expensive, 275 stripped!

Its billet!

Its has an ambi bolt catch and mag release!

It has a 45 deg selector option!

Its damn sexy!

Its way unnecessary!

Not that anything above is good or bad but I may just have to get one.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/cmace22/AR15comLower2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/cmace22/AR15comLower.jpg

Bigbird19
05-31-2011, 8:29 PM
Thats probably one of the most bad *** lowers I have ever seen.

rattlesnake_nm
05-31-2011, 8:33 PM
**** barf.com

cmace22
05-31-2011, 8:34 PM
I agree. A lower is a lower is a lower but....... Form met function on this one.

cmace22
05-31-2011, 8:35 PM
**** barf.com


Haha I knew that woudnt take long :D

i1800collect
05-31-2011, 8:46 PM
$821.46 for the complete lower configured like the one posted in the photos, but with a CTR as opposed to a UBR...

:rofl2:

FourLoko
05-31-2011, 8:50 PM
web forms are cool and all and I might put a sticker somewhere or wear a shirt but I don't need their name and logo on my rifle

cmace22
05-31-2011, 8:50 PM
$821.46 for the complete lower configured like the one posted in the photos, but with a CTR as opposed to a UBR...

:rofl2:

Yep made me spit up a little when I saw it.....

Stripped isnt too much easier to stomach either.

Compete does come with some good stuff though.

Features:
- ambi bolt release
- Norgon ambi mag-release
- BAD *** 45 degree ambi selectors
- AR15.com/Geissele Super 3 Gun Trigger
- Magpul MIAD
- Choice of Magpul CTR/UBR/PRS
- CTR stocks include anti-tilt receiver extension, choice of sling attachment receiver back plate, and color choices (with matching MIAD grip)


Not even an option for me at 800+

Barely one at 275


web forms are cool and all and I might put a sticker somewhere or wear a shirt but I don't need their name and logo on my rifle


If they would have left just the bolt face roll mark it would have been much better IMO

kozumasbullitt
05-31-2011, 8:51 PM
$821.46 for the complete lower configured like the one posted in the photos, but with a CTR as opposed to a UBR...

:rofl2:

Not a bad price if they are using a Geissele trigger.

9-12
05-31-2011, 8:52 PM
A Stag is just as functional.
I'm just sayin.

VytamenC Tactical
05-31-2011, 8:54 PM
just goes to show you how over priced magpuls stuff is

rero360
05-31-2011, 8:56 PM
Honeoye Falls, no crap, that's like 30 minutes from where i grew up. My dad used to work there as well, there's a great microbrewery there too, I visited it when I was back home for the holidays. Hmm.....

cmace22
05-31-2011, 8:56 PM
just goes to show you how over priced magpuls stuff is


True but most Billet lowers are in the 200+ range.

The Geissele trigger alone is 230.

rattlesnake_nm
05-31-2011, 9:10 PM
I want a real magpul lower, not a barf.com lower. This will make the real magpul lowers more rare and sought after.

only10x
05-31-2011, 9:15 PM
rather wait for these
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5379256412_4ab88d24eb_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5283/5378857481_d03ddff1c3_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5242/5368950501_898f7b7c41_b.jpg

cmace22
05-31-2011, 9:17 PM
Nice.

Droppin Deuces
05-31-2011, 9:21 PM
Cool looking. Except for the part where it says "AR15.com." I'm not a big fan of the CalGuns lowers, either. I don't know why, I just don't care for .com/.net logos on products. I get enough of that everytime I buy a bike.

JayBeeJay
05-31-2011, 9:22 PM
That ARFCOM lower is nice, but not the price. That Noveske lower looks sleek as well!

bluebird
05-31-2011, 9:30 PM
rather wait for these
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5379256412_4ab88d24eb_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5283/5378857481_d03ddff1c3_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5242/5368950501_898f7b7c41_b.jpg

When is this coming out?

only10x
05-31-2011, 9:41 PM
no idea, they were made public during the SHOT show

Ruiner
05-31-2011, 9:44 PM
just goes to show you how over priced magpuls stuff is

I always see this stated, however aside from their unobtainum lowers, overpriced compared to who/what exactly?

PEBKAC
05-31-2011, 9:46 PM
...that's a sexy lower, but I think at that price I'll just wait for the AX556 since I already have triggers and stocks and such.

atomicwedgy
05-31-2011, 9:52 PM
ar15com ill take it without the .net advertisement

noveske, sign me up when can we order?

RMTactical
05-31-2011, 9:57 PM
Looks great. I would love to get my hands on one.

rareair
05-31-2011, 10:01 PM
What are you people crying about? A $275 lower? Step up to a POF Billet lower (http://www.pof-usa.com/lower/lowerreceiver.htm) for $379 It has all the ambi-features too :D

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2120Large.jpg

Colt-45
05-31-2011, 10:47 PM
I've noticed a trend towards the solid trigger guard I wonder why that is :confused:

mlevans66
05-31-2011, 10:59 PM
Ugh. Want.. It..must have it....stripped for how much? Maybe but I don't like the AR15 logo on it for some reason.

mlevans66
05-31-2011, 11:00 PM
What are you people crying about? A $275 lower? Step up to a POF Billet lower (http://www.pof-usa.com/lower/lowerreceiver.htm) for $379 It has all the ambi-features too :D

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2120Large.jpg

Look if I had the juice you do I would have every cool gun on the market also. LOL:D

Colt-45
05-31-2011, 11:09 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5242/5368950501_898f7b7c41_b.jpg
:eek::eek:
Calguns sucks. Yea another thing I have to buy.:43:

I'll have to stop visiting.

evidens83
05-31-2011, 11:13 PM
I like it! But any way I can replace the ARFCOM logo with a CGN logo ;)

1forall
05-31-2011, 11:56 PM
I like it! But any way I can replace the ARFCOM logo with a CGN logo ;)

+1...It's a nice looking lower receiver. If it had a CGN logo on it I would consider paying that price as well.

morfeeis
06-01-2011, 12:49 AM
i'm sorry i must be one hell of a cheap sob cause i wouldn't care if it had my moms name on it i'm not paying $900 for any 556 lower.



















































until i make a lot more money :)

Uhhlexxxis
06-01-2011, 12:50 AM
omggg, i will haz eventually.

ArkinDomino
06-01-2011, 12:52 AM
I'd like to have that Noveske lower...

Dhena81
06-01-2011, 1:02 AM
Your going to have to wait awhile for the Noveske lower even when they are being made they're going on their rifles first then when they are over stocked with them then you will see them hit the market. I really don't understand why more companies don't go with the ambi controls seems like most end up missing one feature.

dicast
06-01-2011, 2:02 AM
Ambi bolt catch and MAG release which mean BB won't work. So that mean no go for us in Cali.

cmace22
06-01-2011, 6:21 AM
Ambi bolt catch and MAG release which mean BB won't work. So that mean no go for us in Cali.

Featureless....... Plus Im sure there is a way to undo the ambi mag release.

nrvnqsrxk
06-01-2011, 6:24 AM
rather wait for these
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5379256412_4ab88d24eb_b.jpg


I believe these are coming out late July. Could be wrong though. Price is up there with the AR15.com lower.

cmace22
06-01-2011, 6:28 AM
I believe these are coming out late July. Could be wrong though. Price is up there with the AR15.com lower.

Im sure anything with Noveske on it goes for a premium. Good looking lower.

Droppin Deuces
06-01-2011, 6:32 AM
Featureless....... Plus Im sure there is a way to undo the ambi mag release.

Seems like you could just install a standard one in about 30 seconds.








Or just make it a rimfire.:ninja:








Still, that thing isn't any nicer than a LaRue, and the LaRue lowers don't have that lame-*** .com logo on them.
Is there even a matching upper for these?

cmace22
06-01-2011, 6:34 AM
Seems like you could just install a standard one in about 30 seconds.








Or just make it a rimfire.








Still, that thing isn't any nicer than a LaRue, and the LaRue lowers don't have that lame-*** .com logo on them.
Is there even a matching upper for these?

True and true.

Ya I wish it didnt have the .com thing, the bolt face roll mark looks good to me though. I havent seen anything on a matching upper.

Hozr
06-01-2011, 9:17 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but how the hell is that thing ambi bolt release? I see know way to release the bolt from the right without the addition of a "bad".

Looks nice though.

cmace22
06-01-2011, 9:19 AM
It's the lever right above the mag release on the ejection side of the receiver.

PuppY_K1ck3R
06-01-2011, 9:29 AM
could you still install a bullet button with the ambi mag release?

cmace22
06-01-2011, 9:31 AM
could you still install a bullet button with the ambi mag release?

The ambi function would have to be disabled to be legal with a BB.

KaLiFORNIA
06-01-2011, 9:58 AM
This is very similar to the mega ambi lower... Wonder if the mega upper will match this lower!

cmace22
06-01-2011, 10:54 AM
The mega lower looks good. It's too bad nobody has a forged ambi lower. I don't know why more manufacturers give us ambi controls. IMO it would make the AR more ergonomic and user friendly.

tomd1584
06-01-2011, 11:29 AM
The mega lower looks good. It's too bad nobody has a forged ambi lower. I don't know why more manufacturers give us ambi controls. IMO it would make the AR more ergonomic and user friendly.


you mean like the KAC?

Hozr
06-01-2011, 11:36 AM
It's the lever right above the mag release on the ejection side of the receiver.

Cool, I figured that had to do with the mag release. Thanks.

2fast4u
06-01-2011, 11:37 AM
rather wait for these
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5379256412_4ab88d24eb_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5283/5378857481_d03ddff1c3_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5242/5368950501_898f7b7c41_b.jpg

Are these going to be Billet? When do they come out and how much?

cmace22
06-01-2011, 11:40 AM
Yep I was going to reference the KAC lower but its a no go here anyways being named and all.

17+1
06-01-2011, 11:47 AM
Like my Sun Devils styling better and it has the receiver tension adjustment set screw.

Lead Waster
06-01-2011, 12:09 PM
I was under the impression that one stripped lower was pretty much equivalent to any other stripped lower (of the same material).

Spend money on something that counts (sites, barrel, trigger) IMHO.

2fast4u
06-01-2011, 12:37 PM
For the Price what would you guys pick for Billet?

AR15.com or the Mega or the Black Rain

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mega-lower.jpg

http://www.triplebravo.com/gallery%20photos/AR%20custom%20builds/Black%20Rain%20Ordnance/upper&lowerleft01.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/Black%20Rain%20Ordnance/receiverleft02.gif

http://www.railsaroundthebay.net/firearms/IMG_5548a.jpg

http://blackrainordnance.com/images/rotater-gun1.png

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/216893000/216893853/pix057453967.jpg

2fast4u
06-01-2011, 12:43 PM
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/218967000/218967278/pix016502259.jpg



OR the Spikes Billet but there is a long wait and cost alot more.



http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Spikes_Tactical_Biohazard_EDW_7.5_inch_6.8_SPC_Tac tical_AR_SBR_2_small.jpg


http://www.defensereview.com/spikes-tactical-biohazard-edw-enhanced-defensive-weapon-6-8-spc-6-8x43mm-spc-tactical-7-5-ar-sbr-short-barreled-rifle-with-billet-receivers-and-s-t-a-b-muzzle-device/

2fast4u
06-01-2011, 12:43 PM
http://www.defensereview.com/spikes-tactical-biohazard-edw-enhanced-defensive-weapon-6-8-spc-6-8x43mm-spc-tactical-7-5-ar-sbr-short-barreled-rifle-with-billet-receivers-and-s-t-a-b-muzzle-device/

cmace22
06-01-2011, 1:31 PM
Mega or AR15 would be my choices. Which ever is cheaper and available.

santacruzstefan
06-01-2011, 1:46 PM
This one is interesting, but dear God, the price.
https://www.axtsweapons.com/products/AX556

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40257-2/AXTS_right_1270web.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40254-2/AXTS_left_1271web.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/AXTS_Weapon_Systems_A-DAC_Evolution_Ambidextrous_AR_Lower_Receiver_and_U pper_Receiver_with_Samson_Manufacturing_Rail_Syste m_12.jpg

Dhena81
06-01-2011, 2:40 PM
What's the big deal with the 45 degree selector anyways do you need a low shelf lower is that it I don't understand the reason you would want those selectors and what advantage it would bring.

BTW I just read that the way to tell if your buying a factory Noveske is they have half a small logo on the lower and half on the upper I don't know if that's a new thing or not though.

cmace22
06-01-2011, 2:49 PM
This one is interesting, but dear God, the price.


Ya I saw that 400+ for a stripped lower........

Interesting design but come on.

Uriah02
06-01-2011, 2:58 PM
I would prefer to not have my rifles look like NASCAR...

PEBKAC
06-01-2011, 2:58 PM
This one is interesting, but dear God, the price.
https://www.axtsweapons.com/products/AX556

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40257-2/AXTS_right_1270web.jpg
Yeah I almost had a heart attack when I first saw that too.

Then I did some math.

A complete Knights SR-15 E3 lower is $800 or so (with a good trigger to boot) but we can't get those here. They are fully ambidextrous though.

To create a reasonable facsimile consider the following:
-Ambi-mags aren't cheap (norgon's are about $90-ish? others are in the $60 range but I don't know how well they work).
-Lowers with ambi bolt drop functionality aren't cheap either (I think mega is the most reasonable at just shy $230, stripped, meaning "needs LPK" so add another $60 or so).

That's already $380 and you still need a stock so call that an even $500. If you want a good trigger add another $150 or so...so $650 with a good trigger and a reasonable stock, complete, with a reasonable facsimile of ambidextrous controls. Not exactly chump change.

It sounds like an AX556, a Battle arms safety, and a majority of the lower components is just shy of $500 out the door (not including transfer fees but we'll put those aside), and you need to buy ~maybe~ 10 dollars in misc springs, detents, etc. to have something otherwise complete less grip, stock, and trigger. Grip is at best in the $30 dollar range, stock in the $100 or more range, good trigger in the $150 or more range...which puts you into the $800 dollar range easily.

Expensive compared to a budget lower? Certainly, by quite a bit.
More expensive than the next best thing? Sure, by a couple hundred bones.
Compared to what it competes directly against (Knights)? Pretty much par for the course.

YMMV. ;)

rareair
06-01-2011, 3:14 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but how the hell is that thing ambi bolt release? I see know way to release the bolt from the right without the addition of a "bad".

Peep this video of POF-USA ambi-bolt release system (http://www.pof-usa.com/lower/lowerreceiver.htm)

hellraiser
06-01-2011, 3:45 PM
Good lookin lowers but way out of my price range!

762.DEFENSE
06-01-2011, 4:16 PM
pass :rolleyes:

762.DEFENSE
06-01-2011, 4:17 PM
This one is interesting, but dear God, the price.
https://www.axtsweapons.com/products/AX556

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40257-2/AXTS_right_1270web.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40254-2/AXTS_left_1271web.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/AXTS_Weapon_Systems_A-DAC_Evolution_Ambidextrous_AR_Lower_Receiver_and_U pper_Receiver_with_Samson_Manufacturing_Rail_Syste m_12.jpg

Beautiful weapon, but over $400 just for the lower, LPK, pistol grip and stock? Out of my price range for sure!

bluebird
06-01-2011, 4:20 PM
Beautiful weapon, but over $400 just for the lower, LPK, pistol grip and stock? Out of my price range for sure!

The price is actually even higher:D

Purchase Price ONLY Includes:
Stripped Lower
Custom Machined Parts

Dreaded Claymore
06-01-2011, 4:38 PM
I must be an idiot, but I think normal forged lowers look great.

bomb_on_bus
06-01-2011, 8:11 PM
Anyone who spends that kind of cash on a complete lower has more money than common sense especially when dealing with something from barfcom.

This has tacticool mall ninja written all over it.

cmace22
06-01-2011, 9:10 PM
Anyone who spends that kind of cash on a complete lower has more money than common sense especially when dealing with something from barfcom.

This has tacticool mall ninja written all over it.

:rolleyes:

Im sure your issue is with the roll-mark not the design, which in itself has "tacticool mall ninja" all over it.

If it said magpul instead Im sure that would void all mall ninja status and bump it to OMG I wanty.

Price is barely higher than other billet lowers. Maybe its just your issue with a particular internet forum hmmmm.

In any case it wont be making its way into my safe any time soon. It doesnt offer enough over forged receivers to justify the cost.

Cokebottle
06-01-2011, 9:46 PM
Keep in mind, ambi mag release is a no-go on a featured build.
The left-hand release still works even with a BB installed.

Rebellious
06-02-2011, 1:15 AM
rather wait for these
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5379256412_4ab88d24eb_b.jpg

....drool


I read somewhere that these will come standard on a few different completes and will not be for sale as stripped lowers until they can meet the demand for the complete rifles. My guess until availability.......it's going to be a while. :(

On a positive side, it gives me time to plan my next build;)

And as far as that barf.com lower goes...it's beautiful and a great idea for the people who wanted a magpul lower.....however...I don't want ".com" or ".net" or ".org" on my rifle anywhere! Might sound silly to you but I'm weird that way what can I say?

Please don't take it personally it's just my opinion.

1811
06-02-2011, 6:09 AM
Valiant effort - but it is not and will never be a MPLA - hahahaha!

pacrimguru
06-02-2011, 6:54 AM
it's funny how people get all ape poop crazy over the magpul and arfcom lowers when they are just POF billet lowers with different roll marks and trigger guards. the POF's have been out a long time now. now the novekse lower is the only new lower that looks promising.

PEBKAC
06-02-2011, 8:04 AM
now the novekse lower is the only new lower that looks promising.
I'm seeing a flared magwell and a built in trigger guard but is there something I'm missing?

The War Wagon
06-02-2011, 8:07 AM
Can you get it W/O the Barfcome logo though? Wouldn't want to be thought of as, a few fries short of a Happy Meal at the range... :willy_nilly:

bombadillo
06-02-2011, 8:29 AM
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2539

http://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/3f0ea5322fdfe45377220a019e329b53.jpg

http://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/41fd5a0a517762170be9021da5eb5351.jpg

MEGA ambi, billet, flared magwell, tensioning screw to keep perfect pressure between uppers and lowers.

All for a whopping $219.





Or if you want a standard mag release so you don't have to run any kind of featureless, I just bought this for $150 standard style mag release (raddlock in there for me of course) billet, integrated trigger guard, and the roll mark looks nice. Simple brandinging "TKS Engineering" on it and a sweet flag CNC'd in the front of the magwell. LOVE this lower

http://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/9099d3e238f51371e3d1637ac2589036.jpg

Uxi
06-02-2011, 9:10 AM
I'd like to have that Noveske lower...

Hell yeah, that thing is sexay.

Only thing I don't like is the built in trigger guard. Seems like a step backwards to me removing the ability to choose between USGI, Magpul, etc etc.

pacrimguru
06-02-2011, 9:38 AM
I'm seeing a flared magwell and a built in trigger guard but is there something I'm missing?

the point being that the new noveske lower is a forged lower with a nice big exaggerated flared magwell. it has rounded edges and standard surface contours that are consistent with standard style lowers allowing you to use all aftermarket parts. billet is way overrated. there are no performance benefits and most have custom contours that don't allow for all parts to be used. many have sharp edges and billet is softer and will damage a lot easier. all negatives in my book. if you want ambi controls, many companies make bolt on parts that do the job just fine without you having to have proprietary parts to worry about.

bombadillo
06-02-2011, 9:52 AM
Agreed pacrimguru, but the one plus side I can see on things like one piece triggerguards are that they are really beefy and don't have the ears to break off on standard forged t7075 alum. lowers. They build them in really well these days especially TKS and POF lowers. Mega I haven't had experience. I don't know what it is, but the billet lowers I've had just "feel" better and I can't give a good reason or metallurgic standard behind it or anything else. Maybe its just in my head, but the clean CNC'd billet lowers feel really nice to me. I love that new billet TKS I just recently got and it was only $149

PEBKAC
06-02-2011, 10:08 AM
the point being that the new noveske lower is a forged lower with a nice big exaggerated flared magwell. it has rounded edges and standard surface contours that are consistent with standard style lowers allowing you to use all aftermarket parts.
Oooh okay, gotcha. I knew there must have been something I was missing.

The Virus
06-02-2011, 10:17 AM
What exactly makes this a magpul lower?
It says ar15.com all over it. I see a magpul grip on there..

bombadillo
06-02-2011, 10:23 AM
Its not a Magpul lower. Its an AR-15 lower with the same features as a magpul lower. The magpul made of pure "unobtanium" were going for thousands at one point because of the rarity of them. AR15.com is putting out virtually a clone and charging a hundredth of the price.

Uhhlexxxis
06-02-2011, 10:34 AM
Well if you can afford it, who really cares... it will do the same thing as your delton lower. (no disrespect to Delton, it's just what came to mind first). that Noveske looks pretty, and I'll fork out the cash just based on the look. oh noezzz

bombadillo
06-02-2011, 10:49 AM
As a side note, I would love to build a featureless, ambidextrous AR with a 26" white oak barrel, and ARgold trigger. Nice scope and have a killer varmint rifle.

bomb_on_bus
06-02-2011, 10:44 PM
just dont forget to trun in your man card when you get it!

mspiredm3
06-06-2011, 11:02 PM
Love the marking!

vintagearms
06-06-2011, 11:34 PM
was a member there since 2000 under a diff name than here and I refuse to pay extra or give arf.com any of my money. As for the lower, ya, it has ambi controls. so do other companies; all proprietory parts. no thanks. Ill just add the extra reach lever if I feel the need to.