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2Bear
05-31-2011, 4:17 AM
This article just came up in a Google search on "The Brady Campaign". Ironic that this gets search placement due to it's Brady Campaign mention...

Adding to the bad news for gun control supporters, the District of Columbia and Chicago—the handgun bans of which were repealed following the Supreme Court’s decisions in the Heller and McDonald cases in 2008 and 2010—experienced decreases in murder of eight percent and six percent, respectively.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/gun-ownership-up-violent-crime-down-no-coincidence

2Bear
05-31-2011, 4:34 AM
The NRA is fighting the good fight with these statistics...

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"Our current President is the best gun-salesman in the world."

Ford8N
05-31-2011, 5:17 AM
There is no nexus with crime and guns, just like there is no nexus between drunk driving and ownership of cars. But I will credit the Brady's with doing an excellent job of promulgating that lie. The voters of California are so stupid and easily lead. Hitler would have no problems establishing himself here.

microwaveguy
05-31-2011, 6:48 AM
For my dense "friends" at social gathering when asked about gun control I offer the following example.

Squirrels and cars ( Criminals vs armed home owners )

A squirrel tries to cross a road with no cars and is very successful and can cross whenever the desire strikes to cross the road. Add a lot of cars and it is much more difficult to cross the road. All it will take is one car to flatten that squirrel and there will be one less squirrel crossing the road.

Hopalong
05-31-2011, 7:15 AM
My favorite analogy I read here somewhere

I think it was from the recent Peruta case in San Diego

Where the lawyer argued to the judge, and I'll paraphrase

"If only 5% of the ducks shot back, no one would go duck hunting"

As far as the statistics go, it's all about political spin

uyoga
05-31-2011, 8:09 AM
We've been saying that for years. People are just now beginning to listen. Better late than never!

2Bear
05-31-2011, 6:44 PM
"If only 5% of the ducks shot back, no one would go duck hunting"

lol. Analogies are your friend™.

All it will take is one car to flatten that squirrel and there will be one less squirrel crossing the road.

But are other squirrels are hesitant to cross the road due to the flattened squirrel's demise?

2Bear
06-01-2011, 2:13 PM
Based upon the preliminary data, it appears that violent crime fell to a 37-year low and murder fell to a 47-year low. The FBI will report final figures for 2010 later this year. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/gun-ownership-up-violent-crime-down-no-coincidence

This could be an impetus to catalyze the sea-change.

tyrist
06-01-2011, 3:21 PM
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_18151577

Roe V Wade 1973.

The UCLA professor might be on to something.

2Bear
06-01-2011, 3:35 PM
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_18151577

Researchers studying the effects of California's three-strikes law have found a puzzling trend: older adults are being arrested for felonies in droves, while felony arrests of juveniles are dropping.

The trend can be attributed to an "enormous increase in drug abuse" by an aging population, according to Mike Males of the San Francisco-based Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_18151577

Interesting. Coincidentally, I live across the street from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice. They do good work with at-risk youth.

In other news...
The Supreme Court on Monday narrowly endorsed reducing California's cramped prison population by more than 30,000 inmates to fix sometimes deadly problems in medical care, ruling that federal judges retain enormous power to oversee troubled state prisons.

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_18122096?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com

CA can't afford to pay others to imprison them, so 33,000 prisoners are about to be released?

G60
06-01-2011, 3:39 PM
There are many other factors, i'm sure.

I don't like this argument because it's the easiest to turn against us. What happens when/if crime goes up? (30,000 prisoners being released early, it could happen). More guns = more crime argument?

So easy to ignore other factors when trying to persuade a small group of people.

While i do personally believe that lawful ownership of arms acts as a deterrent to crime, there are many other factors to take into account when determining what causes increases or decreases in crime.

leelaw
06-01-2011, 3:44 PM
Ugh. Perpetuating the confounding of correlation and causation is about as poor as the equally dumb arguments from the Brady camp.